This bey looks pretty cool, it reminds me of Psychic Phantom a little.

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It looks like Jormugand to me

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So I've been thinking a bit about what Disc and Driver Kill Joker will come with, given we already know what its Gatinko Chip, Weight, and Base are.

The Driver is a lot easier to guess since we can see in the video that KJ's movement pattern is fairly consistent to a defensive tip, with it being mobile but not as mobile as an attack tip, but the only Balance-type Drivers with a tip that would provide that movement would be Zeta/Zeta' in Defense mode or Liner. There is always the chance it comes with a new Driver, but to be honest, Liner or Liner' would make a lot of sense to be this bey's Driver because not only is the only other stock bey made with stationary attack in mind (Inferno Ifrit) also the only other stock bey to come with Liner, but it would also be kinda fitting for a beyblade with "Joke" in its name to come with the biggest joke of a Driver in Burst, lol.

As for Discs, its a lot harder to speculate, because it mostly depends on what (for lack of a better term) ruleset the GT Boosters will follow. In previous series, most boosters would only come with two new parts (a Layer and either a new Disc, Driver, or Frame), but since GT splits the Layer into multiple parts, it calls into question whether the new Gatinko Chip and Base in these releases counts as one new part or two in terms of the "two new parts per booster" ruleset. They might end up letting new Booster releases come with a new Gatinko Chip and Base to keep all of them unique, but at the same time, they could just do what they did during MFB and reuse Bases on newer beys. Its up in the air, and personally I think they'd lean for the latter since theyve done that in the past, but we really won't know until it comes out.

If they do use an older Disc for this release though, the only real option for a fitting Disc is Zenith, since its in the same weight range as the GT Discs and even has rubber on it like the Base probably does. But if that is the case... that would mean three rereleases of Zenith will have been put out in the space of 2 months. Not really a dealbreaker, but it does sound excessive on paper, haha.

And again, this is all just speculation. I'm pretty certain I'm putting more thought into this than TT did, lol... but if one of the next leaks reveals the full combo is Kill Joker.Z.L' Zan, I will be very amused, haha.

What if it has a driver like liner but with a swivel so the gimmick actually works?
As for the disc I thought I saw a bit of teal plastic where it would be when it was slowing down in the battle in the video

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So I've been thinking a bit about what Disc and Driver Kill Joker will come with, given we already know what its Gatinko Chip, Weight, and Base are.

The Driver is a lot easier to guess since we can see in the video that KJ's movement pattern is fairly consistent to a defensive tip, with it being mobile but not as mobile as an attack tip, but the only Balance-type Drivers with a tip that would provide that movement would be Zeta/Zeta' in Defense mode or Liner. There is always the chance it comes with a new Driver, but to be honest, Liner or Liner' would make a lot of sense to be this bey's Driver because not only is the only other stock bey made with stationary attack in mind (Inferno Ifrit) also the only other stock bey to come with Liner, but it would also be kinda fitting for a beyblade with "Joke" in its name to come with the biggest joke of a Driver in Burst, lol.

As for Discs, its a lot harder to speculate, because it mostly depends on what (for lack of a better term) ruleset the GT Boosters will follow. In previous series, most boosters would only come with two new parts (a Layer and either a new Disc, Driver, or Frame), but since GT splits the Layer into multiple parts, it calls into question whether the new Gatinko Chip and Base in these releases counts as one new part or two in terms of the "two new parts per booster" ruleset. They might end up letting new Booster releases come with a new Gatinko Chip and Base to keep all of them unique, but at the same time, they could just do what they did during MFB and reuse Bases on newer beys. Its up in the air, and personally I think they'd lean for the latter since theyve done that in the past, but we really won't know until it comes out.

If they do use an older Disc for this release though, the only real option for a fitting Disc is Zenith, since its in the same weight range as the GT Discs and even has rubber on it like the Base probably does. But if that is the case... that would mean three rereleases of Zenith will have been put out in the space of 2 months. Not really a dealbreaker, but it does sound excessive on paper, haha.

And again, this is all just speculation. I'm pretty certain I'm putting more thought into this than TT did, lol... but if one of the next leaks reveals the full combo is Kill Joker.Z.L' Zan, I will be very amused, haha.

What if it has a driver like liner but with a swivel so the gimmick actually works?
As for the disc I thought I saw a bit of teal plastic where it would be when it was slowing down in the battle in the video

I agree. It clearly starts to tip around before it falls over and seems to have okay, but not great stamina. It looks like another fun but probably not actually good Driver that’s centered around a gimmick. It should be noted how quickly and aggressively it returns to the middle when hit, so maybe the tip can find a niche in combinations meant to counter Stamina types. We’ll just have to wait for information on the Disc though. We got a peek at the color, but that’s about it. Maybe they did a roller gimmick (for the umpteenth time) to go with the Liner’ or Liner-esque Driver.

Oh god can we please not have a liner’ ?

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Oh god can we please not have a liner’ ?

100% agreed I honestly still don't get why TT made liner

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Liner is quite a decent Driver if all you needed was some stamina potential. It is highly out-classed, which is a given, but if it had a Dash counterpart it may still be viable for countering Chouzetsu Valkyrie/Spriggan/Achilles entries as all Balance Drivers with Dash versions have been useful to lessen Burst-risk probability (especially on less-recoil Layers).

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im calling it, joker looks like a longinus honestly. i really hope it has a disc like polish or it has something like trans'

also oh god i just had a terrible thought: Edge'-S OHHH NOOOO

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Oh god can we please not have a liner’ ?

100% agreed I honestly still don't get why TT made liner

Liner isn't actually all that bad. Sure, it doesn't have Stamina or LAD potential, but it's also the quickest defensive driver at returning to the center after a hit, which actually means it's got pretty serious Defense potential behind its little unicycle wheel. I think people look more at Liner's flaws than what it's actually capable off to be honest, and they miss that sort of potential. Sure it's not great, but it's not bad either.

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also oh god i just had a terrible thought: Edge'-S OHHH NOOOO

They're probably never going to make ' drivers for Defense or Stamina beys, so no worries about an Edge' just yet. There'd definitely never be an Edge'-S, as Hasbro's been completely ignoring ' drivers altogether.

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100% agreed I honestly still don't get why TT made liner

Liner isn't actually all that bad. Sure, it doesn't have Stamina or LAD potential, but it's also the quickest defensive driver at returning to the center after a hit, which actually means it's got pretty serious Defense potential behind its little unicycle wheel. I think people look more at Liner's flaws than what it's actually capable off to be honest, and they miss that sort of potential. Sure it's not great, but it's not bad either.

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also oh god i just had  a terrible thought: Edge'-S OHHH NOOOO

They're probably never going to make ' drivers for Defense or Stamina beys, so no worries about an Edge' just yet. There'd definitely never be an Edge'-S, as Hasbro's been completely ignoring ' drivers altogether.

That gave me an idea to try Liner on the newer Beys since the release of CZV ahahahah

Regardless of what the new Booster would be, hopefully it has no recycled parts to have more combo diversity, but seeing the Weights' limited hexagon placements, it may only have a few (since in Chouzetsu we only had Aero',1',8',10,11,12,13 Disks where only two or three of those are actually useful) variations.

If those protrusions on the leaked vid of the new Bey are actually rubber, I'd assume it'll probably have the same effect as a right spin mode Sr, which should warrant stronger and better teeth on the Chip to be useful (otherwise it might just be another WzFf hype where it quickly died out due to not delivering its gimmick properly on my experience)

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Liner isn't actually all that bad. Sure, it doesn't have Stamina or LAD potential, but it's also the quickest defensive driver at returning to the center after a hit, which actually means it's got pretty serious Defense potential behind its little unicycle wheel. I think people look more at Liner's flaws than what it's actually capable off to be honest, and they miss that sort of potential. Sure it's not great, but it's not bad either.

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They're probably never going to make ' drivers for Defense or Stamina beys, so no worries about an Edge' just yet. There'd definitely never be an Edge'-S, as Hasbro's been completely ignoring ' drivers altogether.

That gave me an idea to try Liner on the newer Beys since the release of CZV ahahahah

Regardless of what the new Booster would be, hopefully it has no recycled parts to have more combo diversity, but seeing the Weights' limited hexagon placements, it may only have a few (since in Chouzetsu we only had Aero',1',8',10,11,12,13 Disks where only two or three of those are actually useful) variations.

If those protrusions on the leaked vid of the new Bey are actually rubber, I'd assume it'll probably have the same effect as a right spin mode Sr, which should warrant stronger and better teeth on the Chip to be useful (otherwise it might just be another WzFf hype where it quickly died out due to not delivering its gimmick properly on my experience)

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Hopefully, with the orientation of the possibly rubber parts, it will be another left spin. Other than that, I do pray that they come up with feasible parts even if it may break the generation meta like Garuda, Spriggan, etc

Just by watching the video you can tell it's right-spin as it slows down. It's not the first time rubber's been on a right-spin bey, since Fusion Hades from Metal Fight did a fairly good job due to its hard rubber and was nearly viable. Although not typical, it's proven itself to be workable before and pretty close to actually being good.

As long as the rubber's hard enough it shouldn't have too much to worry about. Don't discount it just yet because of its gimmick.

rubber are also featured on Screw Trident although the gimmick sucks

rubber are also featured on Screw Trident although the gimmick sucks

The rubber wasn't exposed. It was only inside the layer, acting as (supposedly) cushions. Besides, I think the rubber was harder than normal.

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rubber are also featured on Screw Trident although the gimmick sucks

The rubber wasn't exposed. It was only inside the layer, acting as (supposedly) cushions. Besides, I think the rubber was harder than normal.

I expect harder rubber here as well, similar to the rubber of Fusion Hades.

I also didn't mention Screw Trident for the exact reason Ash said: it's not exposed and is so stiff and hard that it really doesn't do anything.

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I guess Maximum Garuda will be pretty useless when Kill Joker comes out, so maybe the God Chip limitation on mG could be lifted? For real, I haven't seen mG in tournaments because it used to be banned, but it's now extremely outclassed.

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That gave me an idea to try Liner on the newer Beys since the release of CZV ahahahah

Regardless of what the new Booster would be, hopefully it has no recycled parts to have more combo diversity, but seeing the Weights' limited hexagon placements, it may only have a few (since in Chouzetsu we only had Aero',1',8',10,11,12,13 Disks where only two or three of those are actually useful) variations.

If those protrusions on the leaked vid of the new Bey are actually rubber, I'd assume it'll probably have the same effect as a right spin mode Sr, which should warrant stronger and better teeth on the Chip to be useful (otherwise it might just be another WzFf hype where it quickly died out due to not delivering its gimmick properly on my experience)

WF is the proper abbreviation for Wizard Fafnir

You commented just to correct me for the "proper" abbreviation? I was simply following the abbreviation suggestion in another forum related to abbreviating the GT combos presumably to avoid having mixed up initials for same lettered Chips and/or Bases. Anyways, going back on topic, if this new base will have rubber, it better be a hard or tough one like rubber used on Sr, otherwise it'll chip off quite easily

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I guess Maximum Garuda will be pretty useless when Kill Joker comes out, so maybe the God Chip limitation on mG could be lifted? For real, I haven't seen mG in tournaments because it used to be banned, but it's now extremely outclassed.

Why would they remove the God Chip restriction on mG? It's outclassed now. If they remove the restriction on god chips, it becomes broken. They aren't going to do that, that's a bad idea.

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I guess Maximum Garuda will be pretty useless when Kill Joker comes out, so maybe the God Chip limitation on mG could be lifted? For real, I haven't seen mG in tournaments because it used to be banned, but it's now extremely outclassed.

Why would they remove the God Chip restriction on mG? It's outclassed now. If they remove the restriction on god chips, it becomes broken. They aren't going to do that, that's a bad idea.

Kill Joker is clearly a counter to mG, so if there is an mG problem, just bust out a KJ to Burst it. Plus, it doesn't have as much Stamina as aH, so mg is kind of useless.

Or, instead of making a problem by allowing a bey in an unburstable mode, we don't do that and leave the rules as they are. Non-problem solved!

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Or, instead of making a problem by allowing a bey in an unburstable mode, we don't do that and leave the rules as they are. Non-problem solved!

To your logic we might as well ban all the Beys with the cho-z prefix. In all seriousness though it wouldn't hurt though to give Garuda more god chip options or maybe to put restrictions on the parts that may be used in conjunction with Garuda but allow it to use any god chip.

To your logic we might as well ban all the Beys with the cho-z prefix. In all seriousness though it wouldn't hurt though to give Garuda more god chip options or maybe to put restrictions on the parts that may be used in conjunction with Garuda but allow it to use any god chip.

Beys with choz prefix have to be launched hard enough to be 'unburstable' ( even then they are burstable).

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To your logic we might as well ban all the Beys with the cho-z prefix. In all seriousness though it wouldn't hurt though to give Garuda more god chip options or maybe to put restrictions on the parts that may be used in conjunction with Garuda but allow it to use any god chip.

and they still burst. at least my Cho-S does. but then again i really don't mind releasing, idk for sure, i don't think that mG would be that much of a beast now with heavier layers with more stamina potential. don't quote me on this i don't test beys as much, and i don't have a mG

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Or, instead of making a problem by allowing a bey in an unburstable mode, we don't do that and leave the rules as they are. Non-problem solved!

To your logic we might as well ban all the Beys with the cho-z prefix. In all seriousness though it wouldn't hurt though to give Garuda more god chip options or maybe to put restrictions on the parts that may be used in conjunction with Garuda but allow it to use any god chip.

Nice straw man argument ya got there! Here's an idea: the next time you want to misinterpret what I'm saying, just keep it to yourself.

Cho-Z Beys can burst when the burst stoppers aren't activated. There are even cases where activating the stoppers (ChoZ-V) weakens their attack and is a bad idea.

Instead of overcomplicating the rules surrounding mG, they shouldn't.

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