Through my testing their pretty even, W145 is a bit better IMO though.

I just thought that, because AD145 isn't on the Top Tier...

I could do some SA165 tests tomorrow, what setups would anyone reccomend?

Some basic Defense and stamina testing. Maybe Burn SA165 WD vs Burn_____WD. Attack vs Defense test. Something Like Libra SA165 CS vs Lighting L Drago CH120 LRF, Omega 85/90 R2F Also Meteo L Drago SA165 EWD.

I was working on a couple of testings involving MF-H Scythe_CH120RF, against SA165EWD variants, after you made that post yesterday. Here they are!:

Spoiler (Click to View)

Note: During matches, Scythe will be launched the first 10 times, though other combos will be launched the second test. The mold of Scythe will be AA2. If I could recall, it's among a better one of the two good molds that I've heard of.

MF-H Scythe Cancer CH120RF vs MF-H Duo Virgo SA165EWD:
Scythe: (1 OS, 6 KO'S)
Duo: (13 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Win percentage of Duo: 65%

Throughout this match, Duo's 13 wins were off of wall-saves. Throughout the wall-saves, where Scythe wasn't able to knock Duo out of the stadium, Duo regularly started to stall out Scythe, and get a win. One of the battles wall-saves lead to Scythe getting its one and only OS, because of it taking off plenty of Stamina from Duo, though. Aside from that, Scythe's only wins were from KO'S earlier on in the battle. With all of that being said, I'm not overly surprised with the results. Even SA165 didn't stop Scythe from both hard-hitting, and knocking out Duo.

MF-H Scythe Cancer CH120RF vs MF-H Libra SA165EWD:
Scythe: (0 OS'S, 8 KO'S)
Libra: (12 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Win percentage of Libra: 60%

No, I don't have the better mold of Libra. I'm sure a better mold would have done much better by a far. With that being said, these results aren't so accurate, but I'd want to post them anyways, to possibly end up comparing results with somebody with a better mold than mine. Scythe's wins were from occasional KO'S throughout the first ten battles when Libra was launched first, though it was able to still get 2-3 wins the second half of that battle. Libra's wins were just like the the ones that Duo had, though. Anyways, I couldn't of expected too much better from my testings, considering I don't have the best mold of Libra as I mentioned earlier.

MF-H Scythe Cancer CH120RF vs MF-H Meteo L-Drago SA165EWD:
Scythe: (0 OS'S, 11 KO'S)
Meteo: (9 OS'S, 11 KO'S)
Win percentage of Meteo L-Drago: 45%

I didn't really expect that to happen, though I didn't really expect the results to be much better. Scythe was able to still knock out the light-weighted Meteo, even though SA165 got in the way of that, at times. The majority of Scythe's wins came from the first half of the battle, while Meteo's wins came from the second half. I'd hope to get the opportunity to test out more battles like these at tournaments, though. With all the testings being shown, maybe an SA165 can be a possible un-ban, or you know, ... we can just ban both the AA2, and AA4 molds of Scythe.

MF-H Scythe Cancer CH120RF vs MF-H Burn Cancer SA165EWD:
Scythe: (0 OS'S, 10 KO'S)
Burn: (10 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Win percentage of Burn: 50%

Yup, more confusing results, but just like the last battle, I didn't really expect the results to be too much better. There's not too much I can say either. The results were just like the previous ones. Anyways, Scythe is quite a beast, since it got the same results as an SA165. Because of this, I'd love a ban for both AA2, and AA4, though it might become more complicated in Limited Format tournaments, needing to check the mold of Scythe to see if it's allowed, so it would probably better to ban every mold.

I was also working on these testings, though I didn't really think SA165 really played too much of a roll in these battles. I thought these were more like battles where the win really depends on which track and bottom had more stamina. I'll show you guys the results anyways:

Spoiler (Click to View)

Scythe Cancer B;D vs MF-H Duo Virgo SA165EWD:
Scythe: (3 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Duo: (7 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Win percentage of Duo: 70%

MF-L Scythe Cancer GB145RSF vs MF-H Duo Virgo SA165EWD:
Scythe: (3 OS'S, 1 KO)
Duo: (15 OS'S, 1 KO)
Win percentage of Duo: 80%

As I said earlier, SA165 didn't play too much of a role throughout these battles. To prove that, I did a benchmark using MF-H Duo Virgo 160EWD against the two.

Scythe Cancer B;D vs MF-H Duo Virgo 160EWD:
Scythe: (1 OS, O KO'S)
Duo: (9 OS'S, O KO'S)
Win percentage of Duo: 90%

MF-L Scythe Cancer GB145RSF vs MF-H Duo Virgo 160EWD:
Scythe: (0 OS'S, O KO'S)
Duo: (10 OS'S, O KO'S)
Win percentage of Duo: 100%

I could do some SA165 tests tomorrow, what setups would anyone reccomend?

Some basic Defense and stamina testing. Maybe Burn SA165 WD vs Burn_____WD. Attack vs Defense test. Something Like Libra SA165 CS vs Lighting L Drago CH120 LRF, Omega 85/90 R2F Also Meteo L Drago SA165 EWD.

I was working on a couple of testings involving MF-H Scythe_CH120RF, against SA165EWD variants, after you made that post yesterday. Here they are!:

Spoiler (Click to View)

Note: During matches, Scythe will be launched the first 10 times, though other combos will be launched the second test. The mold of Scythe will be AA2. If I could recall, it's among a better one of the two good molds that I've heard of.

MF-H Scythe Cancer CH120RF vs MF-H Duo Virgo SA165EWD:
Scythe: (1 OS, 6 KO'S)
Duo: (13 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Win percentage of Duo: 65%

Throughout this match, Duo's 13 wins were off of wall-saves. Throughout the wall-saves, where Scythe wasn't able to knock Duo out of the stadium, Duo regularly started to stall out Scythe, and get a win. One of the battles wall-saves lead to Scythe getting its one and only OS, because of it taking off plenty of Stamina from Duo, though. Aside from that, Scythe's only wins were from KO'S earlier on in the battle. With all of that being said, I'm not overly surprised with the results. Even SA165 didn't stop Scythe from both hard-hitting, and knocking out Duo.

MF-H Scythe Cancer CH120RF vs MF-H Libra SA165EWD:
Scythe: (0 OS'S, 8 KO'S)
Libra: (12 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Win percentage of Libra: 60%

No, I don't have the better mold of Libra. I'm sure a better mold would have done much better by a far. With that being said, these results aren't so accurate, but I'd want to post them anyways, to possibly end up comparing results with somebody with a better mold than mine. Scythe's wins were from occasional KO'S throughout the first ten battles when Libra was launched first, though it was able to still get 2-3 wins the second half of that battle. Libra's wins were just like the the ones that Duo had, though. Anyways, I couldn't of expected too much better from my testings, considering I don't have the best mold of Libra as I mentioned earlier.

MF-H Scythe Cancer CH120RF vs MF-H Meteo L-Drago SA165EWD:
Scythe: (0 OS'S, 11 KO'S)
Meteo: (9 OS'S, 11 KO'S)
Win percentage of Meteo L-Drago: 45%

I didn't really expect that to happen, though I didn't really expect the results to be much better. Scythe was able to still knock out the light-weighted Meteo, even though SA165 got in the way of that, at times. The majority of Scythe's wins came from the first half of the battle, while Meteo's wins came from the second half. I'd hope to get the opportunity to test out more battles like these at tournaments, though. With all the testings being shown, maybe an SA165 can be a possible un-ban, or you know, ... we can just ban both the AA2, and AA4 molds of Scythe.

MF-H Scythe Cancer CH120RF vs MF-H Burn Cancer SA165EWD:
Scythe: (0 OS'S, 10 KO'S)
Burn: (10 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Win percentage of Burn: 50%

Yup, more confusing results, but just like the last battle, I didn't really expect the results to be too much better. There's not too much I can say either. The results were just like the previous ones. Anyways, Scythe is quite a beast, since it got the same results as an SA165. Because of this, I'd love a ban for both AA2, and AA4, though it might become more complicated in Limited Format tournaments, needing to check the mold of Scythe to see if it's allowed, so it would probably better to ban every mold.

I was also working on these testings, though I didn't really think SA165 really played too much of a roll in these battles. I thought these were more like battles where the win really depends on which track and bottom had more stamina. I'll show you guys the results anyways:

Spoiler (Click to View)

Scythe Cancer B;D vs MF-H Duo Virgo SA165EWD:
Scythe: (3 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Duo: (7 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Win percentage of Duo: 70%

MF-L Scythe Cancer GB145RSF vs MF-H Duo Virgo SA165EWD:
Scythe: (3 OS'S, 1 KO)
Duo: (15 OS'S, 1 KO)
Win percentage of Duo: 80%

As I said earlier, SA165 didn't play too much of a role throughout these battles. To prove that, I did a benchmark using MF-H Duo Virgo 160EWD against the two.

Scythe Cancer B;D vs MF-H Duo Virgo 160EWD:
Scythe: (1 OS, O KO'S)
Duo: (9 OS'S, O KO'S)
Win percentage of Duo: 90%

MF-L Scythe Cancer GB145RSF vs MF-H Duo Virgo 160EWD:
Scythe: (0 OS'S, O KO'S)
Duo: (10 OS'S, O KO'S)
Win percentage of Duo: 100%

I don't see much of Scythe. It didn't win a lot, but still enough so we can say that it's close enough to being even with SA165. Wow so I think we can safely say that SA165 isn't a part worth banning at this point. It works ok, but I still think we should do some more tests before the Advanced Members can even consider unbanning it.

Some basic Defense and stamina testing. Maybe Burn SA165 WD vs Burn_____WD. Attack vs Defense test. Something Like Libra SA165 CS vs Lighting L Drago CH120 LRF, Omega 85/90 R2F Also Meteo L Drago SA165 EWD.

I was working on a couple of testings involving MF-H Scythe_CH120RF, against SA165EWD variants, after you made that post yesterday. Here they are!:

Spoiler (Click to View)

Note: During matches, Scythe will be launched the first 10 times, though other combos will be launched the second test. The mold of Scythe will be AA2. If I could recall, it's among a better one of the two good molds that I've heard of.

MF-H Scythe Cancer CH120RF vs MF-H Duo Virgo SA165EWD:
Scythe: (1 OS, 6 KO'S)
Duo: (13 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Win percentage of Duo: 65%

Throughout this match, Duo's 13 wins were off of wall-saves. Throughout the wall-saves, where Scythe wasn't able to knock Duo out of the stadium, Duo regularly started to stall out Scythe, and get a win. One of the battles wall-saves lead to Scythe getting its one and only OS, because of it taking off plenty of Stamina from Duo, though. Aside from that, Scythe's only wins were from KO'S earlier on in the battle. With all of that being said, I'm not overly surprised with the results. Even SA165 didn't stop Scythe from both hard-hitting, and knocking out Duo.

MF-H Scythe Cancer CH120RF vs MF-H Libra SA165EWD:
Scythe: (0 OS'S, 8 KO'S)
Libra: (12 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Win percentage of Libra: 60%

No, I don't have the better mold of Libra. I'm sure a better mold would have done much better by a far. With that being said, these results aren't so accurate, but I'd want to post them anyways, to possibly end up comparing results with somebody with a better mold than mine. Scythe's wins were from occasional KO'S throughout the first ten battles when Libra was launched first, though it was able to still get 2-3 wins the second half of that battle. Libra's wins were just like the the ones that Duo had, though. Anyways, I couldn't of expected too much better from my testings, considering I don't have the best mold of Libra as I mentioned earlier.

MF-H Scythe Cancer CH120RF vs MF-H Meteo L-Drago SA165EWD:
Scythe: (0 OS'S, 11 KO'S)
Meteo: (9 OS'S, 11 KO'S)
Win percentage of Meteo L-Drago: 45%

I didn't really expect that to happen, though I didn't really expect the results to be much better. Scythe was able to still knock out the light-weighted Meteo, even though SA165 got in the way of that, at times. The majority of Scythe's wins came from the first half of the battle, while Meteo's wins came from the second half. I'd hope to get the opportunity to test out more battles like these at tournaments, though. With all the testings being shown, maybe an SA165 can be a possible un-ban, or you know, ... we can just ban both the AA2, and AA4 molds of Scythe.

MF-H Scythe Cancer CH120RF vs MF-H Burn Cancer SA165EWD:
Scythe: (0 OS'S, 10 KO'S)
Burn: (10 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Win percentage of Burn: 50%

Yup, more confusing results, but just like the last battle, I didn't really expect the results to be too much better. There's not too much I can say either. The results were just like the previous ones. Anyways, Scythe is quite a beast, since it got the same results as an SA165. Because of this, I'd love a ban for both AA2, and AA4, though it might become more complicated in Limited Format tournaments, needing to check the mold of Scythe to see if it's allowed, so it would probably better to ban every mold.

I was also working on these testings, though I didn't really think SA165 really played too much of a roll in these battles. I thought these were more like battles where the win really depends on which track and bottom had more stamina. I'll show you guys the results anyways:

Spoiler (Click to View)

Scythe Cancer B;D vs MF-H Duo Virgo SA165EWD:
Scythe: (3 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Duo: (7 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Win percentage of Duo: 70%

MF-L Scythe Cancer GB145RSF vs MF-H Duo Virgo SA165EWD:
Scythe: (3 OS'S, 1 KO)
Duo: (15 OS'S, 1 KO)
Win percentage of Duo: 80%

As I said earlier, SA165 didn't play too much of a role throughout these battles. To prove that, I did a benchmark using MF-H Duo Virgo 160EWD against the two.

Scythe Cancer B;D vs MF-H Duo Virgo 160EWD:
Scythe: (1 OS, O KO'S)
Duo: (9 OS'S, O KO'S)
Win percentage of Duo: 90%

MF-L Scythe Cancer GB145RSF vs MF-H Duo Virgo 160EWD:
Scythe: (0 OS'S, O KO'S)
Duo: (10 OS'S, O KO'S)
Win percentage of Duo: 100%

I don't see much of Scythe. It didn't win a lot, but still enough so we can say that it's close enough to being even with SA165. Wow so I think we can safely say that SA165 isn't a part worth banning at this point. It works ok, but I still think we should do some more tests before the Advanced Members can even consider unbanning it.

No, definitely not.

Just because Scythe (a part that needs a banning pronto) was able to beat it, doesn't necessarily mean other combos would be able to do the same. It's still a tank, that never changed.

Testings will tell whether it deserves a ban or not.

So we still need more testing. That's the point I was trying to get through.

I'm sure it was tested thoroughly before Limited was officially announced. I've used it in Limited testing for funzies and I loved how it destroyed, but that's the reason it should stay banned. It can be used for literally every type of beyblade, to dominate every type of beyblade.

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I'm sure it was tested thoroughly before Limited was officially announced. I've used it in Limited testing for funzies and I loved how it destroyed, but that's the reason it should stay banned. It can be used for literally every type of beyblade, to dominate every type of beyblade.

Well it's biggest issue is Stamina, so why not ban with Duo, Meteo, and combos as such?

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Meteo Tests:

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TAMINA TEST:

Meteo L Drago SA165EWD vs Earth Aquario W145WD
Meteo: 19/20 (19 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Earth: 2/20 (1 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Meteo win %: 95%

Meteo L Drago SA165EWD vs Scythe Aquario W145WD
Meteo: 18/20 (18 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Scythe: 2/20 (1 OS'S, 1 KO'S)
Meteo win %: 90.00%

"AA2" Scythe was used.

Meteo L Drago SA165EWD vs Scythe Cygnus 230D
Meteo: 15/20 (15 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Scythe: 5/20 (2 OS'S, 3 KO'S)
Meteo win %: 75.00%

"AA2" Scythe was used.


Meteo L Drago SA165EWD vs Burn Cancer W145WD
Meteo: 20/20 (12 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Burn: 0/20 (0 OS, 0 KO'S)
Meteo win %: 100.00%

efense Testing:

Meteo L Drago SA165EWD vs MF-H Bakushin Leone 90RSF
Meteo: 20/20 (20 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Bakushin: 0/20 (0 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Meteo win %: 100.00%

Meteo L Drago SA165EWD vs MF-H Earth Cancer GB145RSF
Meteo: 18/20 (18 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Earth: 2/20 (0 OS'S, 2 KO'S)
Meteo win %: 90.00%

Meteo L Drago SA165EWD vs MF-H Earth Cancer 85RSF
Meteo: 19/20 (19 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Earth: 1/20 (1 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Meteo win %: 95.00%

Meteo L Drago SA165EWD vs Scythe Cygnus GB145RSF
Meteo: 14/20 (14 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Scythe: 6/20 (0 OS'S, 6 KO'S)
Meteo win %: 75.00%

"AA2" Scythe was used.

Meteo L Drago SA165EWD vs MF-H Libra GB145RSF
Meteo: 16/20 (16 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Libra: 4/20 (0 OS'S, 4 KO'S)
Meteo win %: 80.00%

:Attack Testing:

Meteo L Drago SA165 vs MF-H Gravity Perseus R145R2F (Left-Spin)
Meteo: 0/20 (0 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Gravity: 20/20 (0 OS'S, 20 KO'S)
Meteo win %: 00.00%

Meteo L Drago SA165EWD vs MF-H Shinobi Wyvang R145R2F
Meteo: 2/20 (2 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Shinobi: 18/20 (0 OS'S, 18 KO'S)
Meteo win %: 10.00%

Meteo L Drago SA165EWD vs MF-H Lighting L Drago R145R2F
Meteo: 0/20 (0 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Lightning: 20/20 (0 OS'S, 18 KO'S)
Meteo win %: 00.00%

Meteo L Drago SA165EWD vs MF-H Omega Uranus 90R2F
Meteo: 4/20 (4 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Omega: 16/20 (0 OS'S, 16 KO'S)
Meteo win %: 20.00%

I'm tired, hah. I'll post my Earth & Burn on SA165 sometime later. Any questions about my tests, just ask!

WBO Committee: It was recently brought to our attention that all tests by Crescent in this topic are fabricated. We urge you to forget their results and that someone trustworthy conduct the actual tests for the sake of this metagame.

It is way to powerful on Meteo. If it should be banned on a specific metal wheel priority 1 is Meteo, and then after that I would say Duo.

I don't really think so. Attack is a pretty big thing in Limited. I'd be more scared to see it on a defense combo.

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Attack can kill Meteo+SA165 no problem. It's just you should see my defense tests, hah. I'll try get them up later.

Meteo LDrago usually makes a draw. Left Spin counter it with Lightning LDrago or LDrago and it shouldn't be a problem.

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I don't really think so. Attack is a pretty big thing in Limited. I'd be more scared to see it on a defense combo.

Based on Time's Meta most people don't use Attack. They use Stamina. Until Attack is the most common used type in Limited then SA165 should be banned for Stamina usage.

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Meteo LDrago usually makes a draw. Left Spin counter it with Lightning LDrago or LDrago and it shouldn't be a problem.

Meteo L-Drago Spinsteals until the last spin so it doesn't usually draw... Why counter with lightning L-Drago? It's main use is Attack. If you want to counter Meteo L-Drago in stamina the best way to do so is use another Meteo L-Drago or Duo against it.

Meteo LDrago usually makes a draw. Left Spin counter it with Lightning LDrago or LDrago and it shouldn't be a problem.

It's not just them, pretty much any combo in Left-Spin attack can kill Meteo SA165EWD. Even if you played Meteo LRF, R2F ect. against it, it would lose. It's just it's defense I'm worried about.

Meteo LDrago usually makes a draw. Left Spin counter it with Lightning LDrago or LDrago and it shouldn't be a problem.

It's not just them, pretty much any combo in Left-Spin attack can kill Meteo SA165EWD. Even if you played Meteo LRF, R2F ect. against it, it would lose. It's just it's defense I'm worried about.

Just left spin attack? You can use virtually any attack to defeat it, unless it has MF-H on it.

Sorry about my previous post I thought you were talking about Stamina v Stamina.

Meteo LDrago usually makes a draw. Left Spin counter it with Lightning LDrago or LDrago and it shouldn't be a problem.

It's not just them, pretty much any combo in Left-Spin attack can kill Meteo SA165EWD. Even if you played Meteo LRF, R2F ect. against it, it would lose. It's just it's defense I'm worried about.

Well it's not a 100% chance Meteo will make a draw. It usually loses to even stock beys I have.

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He was talking about Left-Spin Beyblades. So I assumed I'd use the topic of Left-Spin attackers.

But yeah, any attack can kill it, hah.

Meteo LDrago usually makes a draw. Left Spin counter it with Lightning LDrago or LDrago and it shouldn't be a problem.

It's not just them, pretty much any combo in Left-Spin attack can kill Meteo SA165EWD. Even if you played Meteo LRF, R2F ect. against it, it would lose. It's just it's defense I'm worried about.

Well it's not a 100% chance Meteo will make a draw. It usually loses to even stock beys I have.

What do you mean by even stock? Are you talking about Earth combos, because that doesn't make much sense...

I don't really think so. Attack is a pretty big thing in Limited. I'd be more scared to see it on a defense combo.

Based on Time's Meta most people don't use Attack. They use Stamina. Until Attack is the most common used type in Limited then SA165 should be banned for Stamina usage.

Depends on the location. NC uses attack all the time, so I hear from Thunder Dome.

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I don't really think so. Attack is a pretty big thing in Limited. I'd be more scared to see it on a defense combo.

Based on Time's Meta most people don't use Attack. They use Stamina. Until Attack is the most common used type in Limited then SA165 should be banned for Stamina usage.

Depends on the location. NC uses attack all the time, so I hear from Thunder Dome.

In the Meta Overall it isn't used often, is what I mean.

We cannot ban a part only because it does well in tests and in one area.

We cannot ban a part only because it does well in tests and in one area.

So that just proves the point. SA165 does good in Stamina, but nothing else. It should be unbanned.

We cannot ban a part only because it does well in tests and in one area.

So that just proves the point. SA165 does good in Stamina, but nothing else. It should be unbanned.

By area, I meant an actual area, not a domain of skills. SA165 would most likely be in too many combinations and be too powerful, I do not even doubt that.

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Based on Time's Meta most people don't use Attack. They use Stamina. Until Attack is the most common used type in Limited then SA165 should be banned for Stamina usage.

I really have to disagree with this statement. We can't really wait for something that's not necessarily "official" to tell us that Attack is the most common type used. If SA165 is dominant (on any type, really) it should remain banned.

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We cannot ban a part only because it does well in tests and in one area.

So that just proves the point. SA165 does good in Stamina, but nothing else. It should be unbanned.

By area, I meant an actual area, not a domain of skills. SA165 would most likely be in too many combinations and be too powerful, I do not even doubt that.

That makes more sense. SA165 can be used in Attack. Why not do some tests on that?