PD/DS doesn't work as well as D. Smaller win margins overall. DS just doesn't work well with anything really - I did those tests weeks back.

"PD >SD>EWD>WD>D>MS>DS>ES>S>BS>B"

The Sequence Goes Like This.
WD,EWD,SD Outclassed D.
Use Beywiki.

correction.
PD>SD>EWD/WD>D>DS>MB>DS>MS>ES>BS>S>B

This x>y>z>a>b>c is all trash. Read what bladestorm said first as well as this "line-up" being for old/traditional metagame stamina. We have evolved, it is now D/CS.
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Here for MF-H Basalt Cancer 230D v Earth Bull 145WD

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You do realize that not everyone uses 230 for stamina right?

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You do realize that not everyone uses 230 for stamina right?

There are 2 good options: 230 low grip bottom variants or Hell BD145 low grip bottom variants. The rest can barely compete.

Anything low track with Traditional Earth/Burn gets near 0% win rates against above combo archetpyes in TT attack stadium for solo testing. 145 Traditonal Earth/Burn does slightly better but is still demolished by Hell/Flame/Basalt 230CS variants.

You do realize that not everyone uses 230 for stamina right?

Ofcourse i realize that, but what's the point of having bottoms that fit combos fit with outclassed tracks? You will lose.

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There isn't but some people may not 230 was my point.

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There isn't but some people may not 230 was my point.

What I mean is that D/CS works well for Basalt/Hell/Flame 230 variants. So the lack of 230 means that they should opt for something conventional like WD.

Okay then. Anyway could someone test this against Earth/Burn Bull AD145PD/WD/SD. PD is the preferred bottom.

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PD/DS doesn't work as well as D. Smaller win margins overall. DS just doesn't work well with anything really - I did those tests weeks back.

"PD >SD>EWD>WD>D>MS>DS>ES>S>BS>B"

The Sequence Goes Like This.
WD,EWD,SD Outclassed D.
Use Beywiki.

correction.
PD>SD>EWD/WD>D>DS>MB>DS>MS>ES>BS>S>B

This x>y>z>a>b>c is all trash. Read what bladestorm said first as well as this "line-up" being for old/traditional metagame stamina. We have evolved, it is now D/CS.

I know it hasn't been tested but wb on 230 is just as good as cs/d. I been playing around with the 230 track last night for around about an hour test beys against it but I don't have the right stadium.

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wb definitely isnt as good looking at previous testing. Balance issues big time. Will formally test later but im sure the win rates will be noticeably different. On phone.

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Ok. here is an issue I am having. First of all, I will say that this combo is good and useful BUT it does not beat all Earth/ Burn Based combos. Earth Aquario 85 WD/EWD can beat this. or maybe thats just me since I just kill 230 tracks with my launches. For someone who can not do it, Earth Aquario/Bull AD145EWD handles this combo quite well considering EWD is rather tall. Also, CS<WD/EWD. It may have exceptional stamina but when it comes to the final stages of a match, it does not have anywhere near the amount of LAD that WD/EWD does. The top stamina parts are WD/EWD, then CS, then D and so on. Also, if you want a combo that will kill this, try MF-H Meteo LDrago (absorb) ED145EWD. See if you still like this combo anymore after this. I'll post tests as soon as I get home.

There a plenty of counters, of which are not competetively viable.

There a plenty of counters, of which are not competetively viable.

Test it and you see if its competitively viable. You will not be disappointed.

There a plenty of counters, of which are not competetively viable.

Test it and you see if its competitively viable. You will not be disappointed.

I only do 2 player testing.

Can you test against MF Hell Kerbecs BD145CS (boost mode)

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uh why? It will blantantly lose. I mean it's a defence combos right? At least that's what it looks like.

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With an aggressive tilt shot the 230 KOs it so often, the OSing from MLD becomes useless. Literally the second i got Basalt, MLD was the answer for me, but it was just KOed WAY too easily.

WB gets 100% win rates against your MF-H Meteo LDrago (absorb) ED145EWD. Both OSing and KOing.

I am shifting my love towards WB.
It seems WB doesn't do great with the previous Hell/Flame but fabulously on Basalt.

Try MF-H Basalt Cancer 230WB v any of yours.

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uh why? It will blantantly lose. I mean it's a defence combos right? At least that's what it looks like.

No blatant loss, it's not just a defence combo, which is why typing beys becomes so difficult. You shouldn't, but if you must it's a merge. A hybrid. MF-H Basalt Cancer 230D/CS/WB can be thought of one similarly.

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I really wouldn't call it a hybrid. And I kinda doubt it will win against a 230 stamina combo tbh. I mean if Hell Kerbecs BD145PD can't win what chance does that have.

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I am shifting my love towards WB.
It seems WB doesn't do great with the previous Hell/Flame but fabulously on Basalt.

Odd, I love WB with Flame 230 and get decent results too.. :V

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people are thinking "oh, but D is outclassed in stamina by everything" well, some parts do better w/ other parts. sometimes, beys dont have a type, get over it. i agree with whoever said the f>y>h>t>s>d>r>a is trash. beyblade has evolved.

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sometimes, beys dont have a type, get over it. i agree with whoever said the f>y>h>t>s>d>r>a is trash.

i call those balance types, and saying F>Y>H>T is trash is like saying CS>WB>S for defence is trash...


anyways like i said, this beyblade is like a balance type, it KOs stamina, outspins defence, and can take hits from attack

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That doesn't make it a balance type though, that makes it Balanced.
Balance is a Beyblade type that is used to classify a Beyblade which combines attributes from the three main types.

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That doesn't make it a balance type though, that makes it Balanced.
Balance is a Beyblade type that is used to classify a Beyblade which combines attributes from the three main types.

well libra ch120rf was considered a balance type yet i don't see stamina in there at all...

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Brad said it was an incorrect title, but at the time there was no alternative type or classification. It is trash now anyways so.

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Any there any reason to use Gasher/Cancer on this or would Bull or Aquario be better?

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