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MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - The Tester - Mar. 05, 2011
MF-H Basalt Gasher Test Results
Test done in Takara Tomy Attack Stadium. Launcher Grip with Beylauncher LR
100% Launch with alternate beyblades being lauched first.
MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D vs Burn Bull 145WD [ Burn is Takara Mold, WD brand new]
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by KO
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Win Rate:100%
MF-H Basalt Cancer 230D vs Hell Kerbecs BD145WD [ Boost Mode]
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: Hell Kerbecs 145WD by OS [ Destabilized]
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by KO
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: Hell Kerbecs 145WD by OS [ Destabilized]
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: Hell Kerbecs 145WD by OS [ Destabilized]
Win Rate: 70%
MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D vs Earth Bull 145WD
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: Earth Bull 145WD OS [by Destabilizing]
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: Earth Bull 145WD OS [by Destabilizing]
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Winner: MF-H Basalt Gasher by OS
Win Rate: 90%
ALL CREDIT TO ControL FOR MAKING THIS COMBO!
Check his channel. He has made the videos of Basalt Gasher!
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - Aquilaz112 - Mar. 05, 2011
Could you test this against Gravity perseus R145 RF
and
Hell Kerbecs BD145 WD
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - The Tester - Mar. 05, 2011
I don't have R145.. Will test against Hell kerbecs BD145WD
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - Aquilaz112 - Mar. 05, 2011
then do Gravity perseus 145 RF
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - The Tester - Mar. 05, 2011
Sure! I'll do that soon! Gotta do some errands now...
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - Aquilaz112 - Mar. 05, 2011
Kinda weird that it defeated Hell without a prob
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - The Tester - Mar. 05, 2011
You can try testing for yourself. I might do several re-testings because Hell should have beaten it in my opinion. Or at least have had a better ratio...
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - Aquilaz112 - Mar. 05, 2011
I would but I don't have an MF-H Basalt 230 nor D.
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - Ultra - Mar. 05, 2011
Why would you use D anyway since there are at least 3 bottoms better than it? Using D reduces it's chances of winning compared to using other bottoms which are better.
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - Aquilaz112 - Mar. 05, 2011
Maybe D would be better for this combo
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - Ultra - Mar. 05, 2011
How? That makes no sense. It is quite outclassed.
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - The Tester - Mar. 05, 2011
According to ControL's video, D is better for stamina... I'll try it with CS,WD,SD and other tips. But I don't have RS
Maybe someone who does can do a test?
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - ControL_ - Mar. 05, 2011
Thank you The Tester for confirming these results for me - As you can see, D has small problems in stability but in OSing it is near-superior to CS. We shouldn't look at 230WD, the outcome is so similar every time, as soon as the sliding begins, the bey will drop in a matter of seconds.
Also, SD simple fails, not enough surface area to keep the Bey up although the low friction.
I will do some tests.
ED: As you know, this goes very far in tournaments - I'll do another vid for these results.
ED2: The 230 region of good bottoms becomes very narrow; CS and D are so similar when not headtohead simply because they react best with all these under230 traditional stamina. With a nice tilted launch D is incredible for KOing; and exactly the same with a sliding shoot on CS. Basalts high collision is a great upside imo.
No, Hell should have done worse if you correctly launched it. 1v1 testing can lie. - For hells sake, you would have gotten slightly better results with Hell on a MF-H also.
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - The Tester - Mar. 05, 2011
True... Hell Kerbec's would have performed better with an MF-H. Unfortunately I only have one remodeling set, which limits my options for testing... Basalt seems to have a decent amount of smash, but not enough to make an entire attack combo. Basalt with RF doesn't work well...
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - ControL_ - Mar. 05, 2011
Finished the 2 videos.
1 Vid measuring MF-H Basalt Cancer 230D v Earth Bull 145WD
Then MF-H Basalt Cancer 230D v Burn Bull 145WD.
Both with 100% win rates to Basalt.
Uploading--
EDIT: Unfortunately I have no BD145
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - X1 - Mar. 05, 2011
Do One With Hell Kerbecs BD145 PD/DS.
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - ControL_ - Mar. 05, 2011
PD/DS doesn't work as well as D. Smaller win margins overall. DS just doesn't work well with anything really - I did those tests weeks back.
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - Aquilaz112 - Mar. 05, 2011
PD works better than D as it is D with a sharper tip and less friction
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - Ultra - Mar. 05, 2011
Really PD is worst than D even though it has a lot more stamina?
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - X1 - Mar. 05, 2011
(Mar. 05, 2011 1:00 PM)ControL_ Wrote: PD/DS doesn't work as well as D. Smaller win margins overall. DS just doesn't work well with anything really - I did those tests weeks back.
"PD >SD>EWD>WD>D>MS>DS>ES>S>BS>B"
The Sequence Goes Like This.
WD,EWD,SD Outclassed D.
Use Beywiki.
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - Aquilaz112 - Mar. 05, 2011
Nope it's
HF/S(HF/S in flame combo with 145 defeats 145 based combo's and ltscs>PD>WD/EWD>SD>D>B>CS>DS>ES>WB>BS>MS>S
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - ControL_ - Mar. 05, 2011
Your completely wrong. Beywiki needs editing in that matter. PD does no where near as well as D on 230, not everything you read is right. PD may be better on other customizations but definitely not on D, I would know, i own both parts, battles hundreds of times, gone to tournaments - The answer is obvious.
Everyone here has been baffled by old traditional stamina thinking PD/WD is still up there.
That's OLD STAMINA - WE HAVE MOVED ON.
The new parts for bottoms are D/CS on 230, why use PD/WD when they don't stand a chance to D/CS.
PD/WD/EWD SUCKS on 230, as i said, the sliding is such a trouble, the "tower" drops in a matter of seconds for both of these beys forced onto it's uncomfortable angles.
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - BladeStorm - Mar. 05, 2011
The most important point is that certain tips work well with certain other parts so you can only generalise up to a certain point. Also the generalisation chain is based on same combos with different tips instead versus each other. Is it not the case that 2 different combos battle each other?
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - ControL_ - Mar. 05, 2011
Here for MF-H Basalt Cancer 230D v Burn Bull 145WD
RE: MF-H Basalt Gasher 230D - SoySauceXp - Mar. 05, 2011
(Mar. 05, 2011 1:10 PM)X1 Wrote:(Mar. 05, 2011 1:00 PM)ControL_ Wrote: PD/DS doesn't work as well as D. Smaller win margins overall. DS just doesn't work well with anything really - I did those tests weeks back.
"PD >SD>EWD>WD>D>MS>DS>ES>S>BS>B"
The Sequence Goes Like This.
WD,EWD,SD Outclassed D.
Use Beywiki.
correction.
PD>SD>EWD/WD>D>DS>MB>DS>MS>ES>BS>S>B