[Hasbro]  Burst Classic Testing and Discussion

(Nov. 18, 2019  3:01 PM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Nov. 18, 2019  2:56 PM)Dracieleone Wrote: Istros is a decent defense layer when used with a good free-spinning driver.  Since Atomic is banned, Hold is pretty much the only option.

You also have Orbit, atomic’s predecessor.
I think Orbit still produces too much friction.
(Nov. 18, 2019  2:56 PM)Dracieleone Wrote:
(Nov. 18, 2019  4:37 AM)bladekid Wrote: That is a hell to the no. Bad stamina and defence.

Istros is a decent defense layer when used with a good free-spinning driver.  Since Atomic is banned, Hold is pretty much the only option.
It's not a good defense layer though and hold isn't good for defence. Also, orbit is most like At when it comes to that, not hold. Also what are you testing this combo against.
(Nov. 18, 2019  3:14 PM)bladekid Wrote:
(Nov. 18, 2019  2:56 PM)Dracieleone Wrote: Istros is a decent defense layer when used with a good free-spinning driver.  Since Atomic is banned, Hold is pretty much the only option.
It's not a good defense layer though and hold isn't good for defence. Also, orbit is most like At when it comes to that, not hold. Also what are you testing this combo against.

R.C.E., the Istros combo was I2.L.At., and I managed to have consistent wins with it; winning 8 out of 10 with 2 draws.
(Nov. 18, 2019  3:16 PM)Dracieleone Wrote:
(Nov. 18, 2019  3:14 PM)bladekid Wrote: It's not a good defense layer though and hold isn't good for defence. Also, orbit is most like At when it comes to that, not hold. Also what are you testing this combo against.

R.C.E., the Istros combo was I2.L.At., and I managed to have consistent wins with it; winning 8 out of 10 with 2 draws.
Not only is At banned, but R.C.E is probably the worst combo I could see on R.
(Nov. 18, 2019  5:22 PM)bladekid Wrote:
(Nov. 18, 2019  3:16 PM)Dracieleone Wrote: R.C.E., the Istros combo was I2.L.At., and I managed to have consistent wins with it; winning 8 out of 10 with 2 draws.
Not only is At banned, but R.C.E is probably the worst combo I could see on R.

What would recommend then?
(Nov. 18, 2019  5:34 PM)Dracieleone Wrote:
(Nov. 18, 2019  5:22 PM)bladekid Wrote: Not only is At banned, but R.C.E is probably the worst combo I could see on R.

What would recommend then?
Honestly, just R stock is probably the best if not one of the best. R.H.S is really good even though I can't really get it to work.
(Nov. 18, 2019  10:00 PM)bladekid Wrote:
(Nov. 18, 2019  5:34 PM)Dracieleone Wrote: What would recommend then?
Honestly, just R stock is probably the best if not one of the best. R.H.S is really good even though I can't really get it to work.

Well, my R is from a thrift shop, and it came with edge.
I had done some previous Dragoon Fighter testing (click here if you're interested) and I wanted to try out a Driver I got recently to see if the matchup would differ.

Dragoon Fighter Polish Absorb-S (Battle Ring Mode) (Odd Weak) vs. Kerbeus Yell Revolve (Even Weak)
- DGF.P.Ab-S: 5 OS (50% Win Rate)
- K.Y.R: 5 OS (50% Win Rate)

Unlike previous Drivers I used on Dragoon Fighter (those being Xtend-S (Battle Ring Mode), Destroy, and Yard-S (Battle Ring Mode)), Absorb-S (Battle Ring Mode) actually helped DGF get wins against Kerbeus. There were also lots of ties as well.
(Nov. 19, 2019  2:45 AM)kjrules17 Wrote: I had done some previous Dragoon Fighter testing (click here if you're interested) and I wanted to try out a Driver I got recently to see if the matchup would differ.

Dragoon Fighter Polish Absorb-S (Battle Ring Mode) (Odd Weak) vs. Kerbeus Yell Revolve (Even Weak)
- DGF.P.Ab-S: 5 OS (50% Win Rate)
- K.Y.R: 5 OS (50% Win Rate)

Unlike previous Drivers I used on Dragoon Fighter (those being Xtend-S (Battle Ring Mode), Destroy, and Yard-S (Battle Ring Mode)), Absorb-S (Battle Ring Mode) actually helped DGF get wins against Kerbeus. There were also lots of ties as well.
Ok, I personally think that DGF.Y.Et-S is better, but that's just me, maybe it's not.
(Nov. 19, 2019  4:33 AM)bladekid Wrote: Ok, I personally think that DGF.Y.Et-S is better, but that's just me, maybe it's not.
That's good to know, I'll try testing that too when I get a chance, thanks.
(Nov. 19, 2019  4:53 AM)kjrules17 Wrote:
(Nov. 19, 2019  4:33 AM)bladekid Wrote: Ok, I personally think that DGF.Y.Et-S is better, but that's just me, maybe it's not.
That's good to know, I'll try testing that too when I get a chance, thanks.
Yeah, I just feel like polish is too light to be properly used with DGF since it's shape and weight make it worse than other layers by default, but I could be wrong there.
Alright, I tried out Dragoon Fighter Yell Eternal-S against Kerbeus Yell Revolve.

Dragoon Fighter Yell Eternal-S (Battle Ring Mode) (Odd Weak) vs. Kerbeus Yell Revolve (Even Weak)
- DGF.Y.Et-S: 2 OS (20% Win Rate)
- K.Y.R: 8 OS (80% Win Rate)

While it can also get wins against K.Y.R, it seemed to do better on Absorb-S.

I also wanted to try out DGF on some other Drivers as well to see if they could perform better than Absorb-S as well as get more data to compare Polish and Yell on DGF against K.Y.R.


Final Thoughts (Click to View)
Did some more Dragoon Fighter testing to see if I could find any other combos that might be better than Yell Absorb-S. But it winded up turning into something else lol.


Final Thoughts (Click to View)
Due to Hello321 placing in some of the Maryland Burst Classic tournaments recently with Liner or Liner-S (not 100% sure which one), I decided to do some tests just to see how they compare to some of the other Hasbro Drivers that may be used in Burst Classic (Orbit, Revolve, Eternal-S, and Yard-S). I also tested Liner against Liner-S at the end of the tests just to see how they fare against each other.

For these tests, I'm using the red Liner from the Betromoth B2 Single Pack as well as the red Liner-S from the Master Set. Both are super tight, but other Liner and Liner-S Drivers felt pretty tight to me too.

Here are some other things I've observed as well. Liner-S seems to be heavier and a little taller than Liner, which probably played a role in the outcome of its matchups.

But now, let's get into the tests.


Final Thoughts (Click to View)
So not too long ago, I had tested Liner and Liner-S against some Drivers used in Burst Classic.

I then decided to expand upon that and test some specific combos and stuff.

Something I wanted to try out was Caynox, as I wanted to see if the tightness of Liner-S could perhaps help in lowering the likelihood of Caynox being Burst in battle, which could help put its sharp contact points to good use.

In addition to Caynox, I also tried out Dranzer Flame and Unicrest, 2 Hasbro Layers with pretty decent Stamina in Burst Classic, on Liner-S.

I tested these Liner-S combos against Yegdrion Heavy Yard-S, a combo that's been used several times in Burst Classic tournaments, as well as (Hasbro Exclusive) Orpheus O2 Down Yard-S, a combo used by bladekid, UltimateMaster, and maybe others too at the Burst Classic tournament in Los Angeles a while back. It seems to be a more Burst Resistant version of the Yegdrion combo and it can also Destabilize stuff as well.


Final Results (Click to View)