Flash discussion.

Could you possibly do comparative tests with Blitz, replacing Flash? I'm sure that Blitz will most likely overshadow Flash as an attack wheel - if so, than Variares will be a better choice for attack in general.
Thank you, H8R! Grin

A 50% success rate against Basalt BD145CS is pretty good. I didn't expect that much from Flash.
Surprise! Surprise!
Never expected this to be THIS good!
Such winrates against some of the best parts of today is certainly impressive. Might not find top tier use probably, but a niche use in certain things is confirmed! I am quite happy to see Flash now. A complete surprise package, this! It looks too nice, and also performs quite well!

Also Leviath, may I ask you to check Sagittario II? I don't know if this fits here or not as this is only Flash's discussion. But I am certainly interested to know if Sagittario II has good synergy with Flash or not.

P.S. Not only with Flash, I'd like to see Sagittario II on top tier Stamina and Defense wheels (such as Duo, Death, Phantom, etc.). Post Sagittario II tests with most of these wheels in their respective threads (i.e. Duo Sagittario tests in Duo Discussion; Death Sagittario tests in Death Discussion; and so on) if possible. Smile

Thank you for those tests!
H8R
May i post your test results labeled H8R's tests?

Janstarblast
I dont have any duped 4D metal wheels.Sorry.
Considering it has a 50% win on Phantom, I am not entirly disapointed. Still would have perfered 4D to end with a bit more creativity and all, but this is fine.

Gratz Kenta, your bey is not totally worthless now.
(Feb. 20, 2012  2:19 AM)Leviath Wrote: H8R
May i post your test results labeled H8R's tests?

Janstarblast
I dont have any duped 4D metal wheels.Sorry.

Er, I didn't get you, to be honest. Confused
You do have Duo and Phantom, no?
Or did I (or you) misinterpret your (or my) post?
Those draws still need to be redone. 9/17 does not = 45%...
(Feb. 20, 2012  2:48 PM)Janstarblast Wrote:
(Feb. 20, 2012  2:19 AM)Leviath Wrote: H8R
May i post your test results labeled H8R's tests?

Janstarblast
I dont have any duped 4D metal wheels.Sorry.

Er, I didn't get you, to be honest. Confused
You do have Duo and Phantom, no?
Or did I (or you) misinterpret your (or my) post?

By "Duped" he means he does not have any doubles of any of his 4D Metal Wheels.

I believe he thinks you meant mirror matching.
Oh sorry sorry ill redo the draws ASAP i forgot about them X(

Yes i mean by a mirror match because he was asking for how the clear wheel works.I thought being in the same status will make the difference more clear.
Done redoing the test.I also had a mistake on the defece test.It was Flash kerbecs BD145CS.
If flashes longest dimension in attack mode lines up with GB145, could you perhaps try that? Beat-Like idea.

Even better, try H145 if it lines up nicely.

MF-H Flash Sagittario2 H145R2F/RF
Except attack tests and some defense tests, there isn't much significant options.
I wonder what will happen if it used EDS.
(Feb. 21, 2012  12:05 PM)th!nk Wrote: If flashes longest dimension in attack mode lines up with GB145, could you perhaps try that? Beat-Like idea.

Even better, try H145 if it lines up nicely.

MF-H Flash Sagittario2 H145R2F/RF

sorry i dont have neither of those parts.
Gee..... I thought these were going to be disappointing, but flash was overall descent for all types of beyblades!woot, I wanna get flash now.
(Feb. 21, 2012  3:19 AM)Leviath Wrote: Oh sorry sorry ill redo the draws ASAP i forgot about them X(

Yes i mean by a mirror match because he was asking for how the clear wheel works.I thought being in the same status will make the difference more clear.
Done redoing the test.I also had a mistake on the defece test.It was Flash kerbecs BD145CS.

Oh, that's how...

Hazel- Thanks a lot for the clarification. Smile
IS Flash a good attack type?, I know hes a defense stamina bey but i wanna see how he does with attack parts

Ex: Flash Sag 85XF or other good attk parts

since he has an attack mode Joyful_3 ,
So can you test it levi?




Low Track is not really viable in the current metagame... and 85XF is not a good attack setup at all.

There are some Attack tests up already.
To clarrify to anyone Flash probably doesn't have stamina use since it never outspun when used in combos against top tier stamina. It looks like it's a defence/attack part. I'm just saying this so people don't get the wrong idea and spread bad info.
Since im half curious how flash with stamina combo do with defence types Im gonna try out Flash Bull AD145WD VS Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS.

Done testing it.Seems like Flash has too much recoil probably meaning its NOT suited for stamina.
has there been any destabilizing testing done
(Feb. 27, 2012  3:22 AM)matakj09 Wrote: has there been any destabilizing testing done

Clearly not, or it would be in the OP.


I really suggest you read this.

It will make your life easier here.
I saw Flash in attack mode being used to good effect by Galaxy4Stars in the tournament in DC on Saturday. Maybe he will chime in to share his live tourney experience...
inb4 "df105 made it good guise"

I kid, and no harm meant, Galaxy4stars.

I really want to see more experimentation with this for attack, with focusing weights and using different heights and so on. The testing so far wasn't too bad, and I think there's a whole lot more potential there still, with good customization.
Okay ill test on all heights available for attack.Should the sandbag still be Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS or something else.
Yeah, stick to that for consistency, basalt is a lovely sandbag.

It's a shame you lack H145 an GB145, if they line up well they'd be my prime choices, but give the heights a shot.
Here are the attack tests from different heights.I did all but 135 170 195 220 and 230.On low heights I used Uranus CW to reveal space for the MW so that it may do better upward smash attacks.
85:
MF-H Flash(Stamina mode) Uranus 85RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS

MF-H Flash Uranus 85RF: 8 wins (all KOs)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 12 wins (all OSs)
Flash win rate: 40%

MF-H Flash(Attack mode) Uranus 85RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS

MF-H Flash Uranus 85RF: 11 wins (all KOs)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 9 wins (2 KOs 7OSs)
1 draw
Flash win rate: 55%

90:
MF-H Flash(Stamina mode) Uranus 90RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS

MF-H Flash Uranus 90RF: 6 wins (all KOs)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 14 wins (all OSs)
Flash win rate: 30%

MF-H Flash(Attack mode) Uranus 90RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS

MF-H Flash Uranus 90RF: 10 wins (all KOs)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 10 wins (1 KOs 9 OSs)
3 draws
Flash win rate: 50%

100:
MF-H Flash(Stamina mode) Uranus 100RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS

MF-H Flash Uranus 100RF: 5 wins (all KOs)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 15 wins (2 KOs 13 OSs)
1 draw
Flash win rate: 25%

MF-H Flash(Attack mode) Uranus 100RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS

MF-H Flash Uranus 100RF: 9 wins (all KOs)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 11 wins (all OSs)
Flash win rate: 45%

105:
MF-H Flash(Stamina mode) Uranus 105RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS

MF-H Flash Uranus 105RF: 5 wins (all KOs)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 15 wins (3 KOs 12 OSs)
1 draw
Flash win rate: 25%

MF-H Flash(Attack mode) Uranus 105RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS

MF-H Flash Uranus 105RF: 12 wins (all KOs)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 8 wins (1 KOs 7 OSs)
1 draw
Flash win rate: 60%

120:
MF-H Flash(Stamina mode) Sagittario CH120RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS

MF-H Flash Sagittario CH120RF: 9 wins (all KOs)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 11 wins (4 KOs 7 OSs)
Flash win rate: 45%

MF-H Flash(Attack mode) Sagittario CH120RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS

MF-H Flash Sagittario CH120RF: 12 wins (all KOs)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 8 wins (4 KOs 4 OSs)
1 Draw
Flash win rate: 60%

125:
MF-H Flash(Stamina mode) Sagittario D125RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS

MF-H Flash Sagittario D125RF: 9 wins (all KOs)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 11 wins (1 KOs 10 OSs)
2 draws
Flash win rate: 45%

MF-H Flash(Attack mode) Sagittario D125RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS

MF-H Flash Sagittario D125RF: 16 wins (all KOs)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 4 wins (4 OSs)
3 Draws
Flash win rate: 80%

130:
MF-H Flash(Stamina mode) Sagittario S130RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS

MF-H Flash Sagittario S130RF: 7 wins (all KOs)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 13 wins (1 KOs 12 OSs)
Flash win rate: 35%

MF-H Flash(Attack mode) Sagittario S130RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS

MF-H Flash Sagittario S130RF: 14 wins (all KOs)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 6 wins (1 KOs 5 OSs)
3 Draws
Flash win rate: 70%

145:
MF-H Flash(Stamina mode) Sagittario R145RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS

MF-H Flash Sagittario R145RF: 4 wins (all KOs)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 16 wins (3 KOs 13 OSs)
Flash win rate: 20%

MF-H Flash(Attack mode) Sagittario R145RF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS

MF-H Flash Sagittario R145RF: 11 wins (all KOs)
MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS: 9 wins (3 KOs 6 OSs)
3 Draws
Flash win rate: 55%