Left Spin Counter mode MF-H Gravity Perseus D125XF forces draws against tankMB most of the time. TankMB does get the odd win again and same with Gravity.

Standard procedures.
Gravity pulled at just off 100%

Gravity win 2 both OS
Tank win 2 both OS
DRAW 6

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Edit:
MF-H Gravity Perseus S130XF does a lot better
MF-H Basalt Bull BD145MB

Gravity wins 8 - 8 OS - 0 KO
Tank wins 2 - 0 OS - 2 KO

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Same, I'm curious of what Beat Lynx and L Drago Destroy can do. If they can beat the "tank"
I will never mis-assume again. I already know a Stamina has its chances of beating it. XF itself basically acts like a stamina. I don't like staminas because their straight up boring, there's nothing like the feeling of flinging the opposing player's blade, especially when that blade is THE heaviest blade to date.
But since no one can find an attack type, I'm dissapointed.

You have got to stop acting like this - I have already explained to you the metagame - If as you said the bey is the heaviest yet, why on earth would you go head-on? It's common sense not to climb over the statue when you can walk around it (sorry for the poor metaphor).

Furthermore just because XF spins for longer than 20 seconds and is not made of rubber does not mean in any way that one of the most, if not the most aggressive bottom of the whole game "basically acts like a stamina". I'm sorry but suit up and let us do the testing before you can say you are disappointed.

XF is an attack type in your metagame if you like it or not.

- For those that have 2 x BD145 I would really like you to test MF-H Hell BD145XF and it's essential those parts are used. BD145 may have the extra weight seen. Also please practice to get XF nicely into the TR.

If you look at my tests earlier, you will see that MF is just as good as CS in Defense, and it completely destroyed our XF counter-combos, "Tank Busters", or "Tornado Stallers".

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I found one but I don't know if someone said it yet. It Earth Bull GB145WD. I will start my official proof tomorrow because its 11:39 am and I am in bed.

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Earth Bull GB145WD VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS
Standard Procedures
Earth Bull Win Rate - 20% (1OS)

Earth Bull GB145WD VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145MF
Standard Procedures
Earth Bull Win Rate - 0%
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We're done here - Both CS and MB have been countered.

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We're done here - Both CS and MB have been countered.

Let's move on to MF.

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Cant do testing right now but has anybody triedthe combo basalt kebecs 230 ewd I was messing around putting a piece from every maximum bey (screw capricorne face lol) and itis now my main combo

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i tried a bit with F and WF, and results were that COUNTER is not an appropriate word, cause i could ko the "tornado staller" sometimes (with mb) while they was on the TR doing their stalling.
will try XF when i'll be able to

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i tried a bit with F and WF, and results were that COUNTER is not an appropriate word, cause i could ko the "tornado staller" sometimes (with mb) while they was on the TR doing their stalling.
will try XF when i'll be able to

I could basically do it everytime with MF. Is MB as wide as WB?

Edit: Libra 85SF does reasonably well agaianst the MF version. Please test. I'll put my test results up later.

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MB does sometimes KO when on the TR but it's usually fine. Look at the results, above 80% does sound like a heavy counter even if it does get KOed. It fights through 2-3 hits then MB goes into the middle.

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I found another counter to the Tank and I call it the "Woodpecker Scale". Here's how it performs against CS. MF will come later

Libra 100SF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145CS
Standard Procedures
Libra Win Rate - 100% (10OSs)

I don't recall any Tornado Stallers getting such a good and consistent win rate. Libra doesn't wait for the Tank's fuel to run out. Instead, it goes in, and slowly "dumps" all the fuel out. It goes in and hits like a woodpecker, hence the name. MB was known to have poor balance I think, so that shouldn't be any problem. You can call this a destabilizer if you want, but it slowly drains the fuel away. There was 1 close call where Libra almost got KOed, but I think that can be fixed with a Metal Face. MF's Stamina drains even more easily, and when it's Stamina is about to run out, Libra goes in for a easy win. Please test this against all 3 Bottoms. This may have a 100% win rate against all of them.

OK, MF results are up.

Libra 100SF VS MF-H Basalt Kerbecs BD145MF
Standard Procedures
Libra Win Rate - 100% (10OSs)

Again, you see that this is a very good counter to the Tank. I hope that MB results will be the same. Someone please test it with MF-H. I noticed in my playin around that MF-H gets knocked around less.

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guys, aren't you forgetting something?
while finding the counters you should think to combos that do well againsst this, ut does not get wrecked by everything else, lol

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guys, aren't you forgetting something?
while finding the counters you should think to combos that do well againsst this, ut does not get wrecked by everything else, lol

The counters don't need to be metagame viable nor does ControL_ claim them to be; although, by coincidence they may be.

Most combo threads are just "proof-of-concept" threads and have little primary effect on the metagame. The secondary effect may be huge of course.

guys, aren't you forgetting something?
while finding the counters you should think to combos that do well againsst this, ut does not get wrecked by everything else, lol

It ain't too bad...

MF-H Libra 100SF VS MF Lightning L-Drago CH120RF
Standard Procedures
Libra Win Rate - 70% (2KOs, 5OSs)

Stamina is its weakness.

MF-H Libra 100SF VS Hell Kerbecs BD145WD
Standard Procedures
Libra Win Rate - 40% (1KO, 3OSs)

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"I don't recall any Tornado Stallers getting such a good and consistent win rate."
MF Meteo LDrago CH120XF does.. as you and I both proved earlier? This is starting to basically revolve around how 'defense' types move, no? (SF does indeed provide sufficient movement on Libra, does it not?)

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"I don't recall any Tornado Stallers getting such a good and consistent win rate."
MF Meteo LDrago CH120XF does.. as you and I both proved earlier? This is starting to basically revolve around how 'defense' types move, no? (SF does indeed provide sufficient movement on Libra, does it not?)

Well, when I used them. Not when other people used them.

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I don't recall anyone else testing it though, (MLD specifically) so it is still open. We are still talking about BD145CS, since that quote was a response to Basalt BD145CS getting 0%.

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We need someone with MB to test MF-H Libra 100SF.

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Dan your meteo tornado staller doesn't get a single OS against TankMB though.

@Mr.N Why do you pick that combo? I was trying very hard to avoid libras, earths ect. for traditional metagame supporters sake.

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Does it actually? Have you posted some tests that I could see? :c
Ah well.

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Dan your meteo tornado staller doesn't get a single OS against TankMB though.

@Mr.N Why do you pick that combo? I was trying very hard to avoid libras, earths ect. for traditional metagame supporters sake.

Well, it does very good against the Tank. I don't really understand what you said after the question.

Also, TankMF will completely obliterate Tornado Stallers, and this does really well against it. I just need MB results.

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What the hell are tank busters and tornado stallers? And please don't just tell me to read the thread.

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'Tank Buster': Basically something that consistently beats MF-H Basalt Kerbecs/Bull BD145MB/CS.
Made up by Armor, or whoever.

Tornado Stallers:Basically all XF (Except Lightnign :V) customs, because they revolve around the tornado ridge and OS Basalt, stalling the entire game.

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Could someone test Earth Eagle 145WD against " The Tank Buster"?

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'Tank Buster': Basically something that consistently beats MF-H Basalt Kerbecs/Bull BD145MB/CS.
Made up by Armor, or whoever.

Tornado Stallers:Basically all XF (Except Lightnign :V) customs, because they revolve around the tornado ridge and OS Basalt, stalling the entire game.

The XF combos were originally called the Tank Busters, but I just randomly called them Tornado Stallers, and I guess the name caught on. I guess MF-H Libra 100SF is a Tank Buster, and the XF combos are now Tornado Stallers.

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