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85 stamina counter! MF Flame Leone AD145SD

Mar. 18, 2011  7:22 PM
 
Yes it does in fact work. Designed to be a balanced stamina combo at 145 height that can beat 85 based stamina combos and possibly 230 based stamina combos. If someone could test this against 230, that'll be great!

Legend:
FL - Flame Leone
EB - Earth Bull
BB - Burn Bull

Test done in TT Attack Stadium with Light Launcher for both (My BeyLauncher LR broke T-T)

MF Flame Leone AD145SD vs Earth (Mold 2 Tired) Bull 85WD

Alternating Shots

FL by OS
FL by OS
FL by OS
Draw
FL by OS
EB by OS
Draw
Draw
FL by OS
FL by OS

Draws Redone:

FL by OS
FL by OS
FL by OS

MF Flame Leone win rate = 90%

MF Flame Leone AD145SD vs Burn (Hasbro) Bull 85WD

Alternating Shots

FL by OS
FL by OS
BB by OS
FL by OS
FL by OS
FL by OS
Draw
FL by OS
Draw
FL by KO (WTF?!)

Draws Redone:

FL by OS
BB by OS

MF Flame Leone win rate = 80%
Mar. 18, 2011  7:25 PM
 
Which Stadium, Procedure, and Accessories? Also, MF on a stamina beyblade....meh. SD is already a great stamina bottom, Flame is a mediocre Stamina Metal Wheel.

Good results anyway.
Mar. 18, 2011  7:26 PM
 
Can you do tests VS a TT Burn if you have one? Hasbro's Burn is not as good for Stamina.
Mar. 18, 2011  7:36 PM
 
Great results! Well its just shocking that someone could counter 85 combos
Mar. 18, 2011  7:39 PM
 
I've added Stadium and Launcher (Can't believe I forgot.)
And BTW that's a Light Launcher for each of them.
Mar. 18, 2011  8:10 PM
 
Very interesting results. If you changed the clear wheel to Cancer, I assure you it'd do pretty decently against 230.

I've never actually seen AD145 in person, but from the pictures I've seen, it doesn't look like it would make a huge difference against ltsc.

Also, can you test against 145 or DF145, for control.
Mar. 18, 2011  8:10 PM
 
I doubt this can take down 230 stamina (Flame or Hell + 230). But I thought we knew AD145 was a great stamina track already?
Mar. 18, 2011  8:11 PM
 
(Mar. 18, 2011  8:10 PM)Dan Wrote: I doubt this can take down 230 stamina (Flame or Hell + 230). But I thought we knew AD145 was a great stamina track already?

No way it could touch Flame or Hell, but against Burn or Earth it would probably do very well.
Mar. 18, 2011  8:14 PM
 
I say Flame or Hell because if you used Earth or Burn it wouldn't be a stamina type anymore, it would definitely lose to most defense types. No?
Mar. 18, 2011  8:14 PM
 
Good results, but you should use a heavier clear wheel. (Bull, Aquario, Kerbex, etc.)
Mar. 18, 2011  8:15 PM
 
(Mar. 18, 2011  8:14 PM)Dan Wrote: I say Flame or Hell because if you used Earth or Burn it wouldn't be a stamina type anymore, it would definitely lose to most defense types. No?

I'm not sure that is the case. Yes 145 can destabilize those wheels easily at 230, but I severely doubt that any rubber bottom (aside from CS) based defense combo could beat out Earth or Burn on 230.
Mar. 18, 2011  8:19 PM
 
I can get someone to test it for us to settle this matter? (I only use/buy CS.) I think RSF could, no?
Anyway, I'll get someone on it and PM results.
Mar. 18, 2011  8:21 PM
 
100% win rate to minor 230s such as MF-H Hell 230CS/D. Just a quick 5 matches on each, totalling 10 matches.

Lost all 10 - Standard procedures ect.
Mar. 18, 2011  8:33 PM
 
(Mar. 18, 2011  8:21 PM)ControL_ Wrote: 100% win rate to minor 230s such as MF-H Hell 230CS/D. Just a quick 5 matches on each, totalling 10 matches.

Lost all 10 - Standard procedures ect.

I don't get what you meant.. Do you mean that MF Flame Leone AD145SD lost to MF-H Hell 230CS/D 10x?
Mar. 18, 2011  9:30 PM
 
I don't understand what you mean by 'minor 230' as I find Hell and 230 to go well together negating many combinations from all types.. Though I haven't yet tests against Basalt.
Mar. 18, 2011  9:41 PM
 
Minor as in the combo rates pretty bad against 230 mirror matches of the same archetype.
Mar. 18, 2011  10:30 PM
 
So this combo is for stamina matches, right? I'm not so sure Leone can handle being used as a destabilizer clear wheel... Change it into something like Bull or Gasher
Mar. 18, 2011  11:06 PM
 
This wont be doing much destabilizing on AD145.
Mar. 18, 2011  11:15 PM
 
(Mar. 18, 2011  11:06 PM)Dan Wrote: This wont be doing much destabilizing on AD145.

I do believe he meant destabilizing 230WD (possibly if you are lucky 230CS). I suggested Cancer earlier in the topic for it has similar weight, distribution, and it has the added destabilization ability.
Mar. 18, 2011  11:18 PM
 
(Mar. 18, 2011  11:15 PM)Evan Wrote: Cancer has the added destabilization ability.

Shame it goes both ways and the "destabliser" plummets to the floor because Hell and Basalt (the generally used metal wheel with 230CS) are heavier.
Mar. 18, 2011  11:20 PM
 
(Mar. 18, 2011  11:18 PM)BladeStorm Wrote:
(Mar. 18, 2011  11:15 PM)Evan Wrote: Cancer has the added destabilization ability.

Shame it goes both ways and the "destabliser" plummets to the floor because Hell and Basalt (the generally used metal wheel with 230CS) are heavier.

I really need to get those wheels :\ I'm used to seeing Flame, Earth, and Burn getting completely destroyed at 230 by cancer.
Mar. 18, 2011  11:21 PM
 
Could you test out variations on this combo to finetune it?

I.e, do you need to use flame for this combo to work, or does another metal wheel yield better results?
Mar. 18, 2011  11:52 PM
 
Argh I was just doing this same test last night and got these results but better in most cases but I fell asleep and didnt post. Nice results and thread.
Mar. 19, 2011  2:03 AM
 
Wait.. I thought we all knew AD145 was a beast..?
Mar. 19, 2011  2:07 AM
 
(Mar. 19, 2011  2:03 AM)Dan Wrote: Wait.. I thought we all knew AD145 was a beast..?
AD145 is beast, and we know it. Also, there is no way this will mirror Hell, even though we are mirroring 85 here, there is no way this will counter out a BD145. Neither will it for AD145, seeing that it provides excellent Stamina results.
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