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OK, updated tier list:

Smash Attack

MSF/MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang W145/160 R2F/RF/XF
MSF/MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165 R2F/RF/XF

Zero-G Attack (Sway)

MSF/MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang E230/SA165/SP230 GCF/GF/CF
MSF/MSF-H Revizer Dragooon SA165 CF/GF/GCF

Defense

MSF-H Revizer Revizer E230 RS/RB

Sway Defense (Zero-G Defense anyone?)

MSF-H Revizer Revizer E230 BSF/MB/TB/RSF/RS

Stamina

Duo Cancer/Cygnus/Aquario SA165 BWD/EWD
Duo Cancer/Cygnus/Aquario W145 EWD/BWD
Duo Cancer/Cygnus/Aquario SR200 TB
Duo Cancer/Cygnus/Aquario B:D

Spin Stealers

MSF-H Killerken/Revizer Dragooon B:D
MSF-H Killerken/Revizer Dragooon SA165 BWD

Balance

MF-H Duo Cancer/Aquario/Cygnus F230 CF
MSF/MSF-H Genbull Genbull F230 CF
MSF/MSF-H Girago/Wyvang Dragooon F230 CF/GCF

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12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

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I agree with it all, except for one thing- you put Duo B up twice. I'd just lump it in with pure stamina.

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Ah, OK, I am fixing it now.

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October 2012: October Achtung (Zero G) (placed second)
12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

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Yay my Girago Dragooon combo is top tier! But getting 2 Wayvangs is kinda hard, couldn't other wheels with great smash be added to IE: Begriados Begriados, Gryph Gyph, Balro Balro?

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But are any of them really up to the level that Wyvang is on?

EDIT: Sorry guys, just realized I hadn't put Bahamdia up for smash. Doing that now.

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12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

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Gryph Dragooon SP230 GCF is top tier. Its been tested already.

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I think wyvang dragoon should be in attack and defense because ive seen tests that have great results in both

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Dark_Mousy- Isn't it just a weaker version of the two Dragooon sway attackers already on there? What improvement does it offer offer those two?

yt152430- Not likely. It does amazing in the BB-10 stadium, but not so great in Zero-G.

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Well that depends on what track and tip you use but i think i sawit tested in a zero g but i dont remember what type of zero g stadium

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Where's genbull for stamina? And duo B is really the best zero-G anti spin-stealer out there, IMO. I think it should be put in both categories.

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Zero-G Attack (Sway)
MSF/MSF-H Revizer Dragooon SA165 CF/GF/GCF
MSF/MSF-H Girago/Wyvang Dragooon F230 CF/GCF

Why no Wyvang on the first custom? It's heavier, which is important to consider for Sway Attack. Also, I would specify that SA165 should be used in Attack Mode. But that's just my preference. What does everyone else think?

And is MSF/MSF-H Girago/Wyvang Dragooon F230 CF/GCF really Sway Attack? If that is true, why are MF-H Duo Cancer/Aquario/Cygnus F230 CF and MSF/MSF-H Genbull Genbull F230 CF not listed here as well? I'd call them all Stamina combos, personally.

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In my opinion, I would call them balance. They can OS certain things, but still sway KO others.

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Honestly I think MSF/MSF-H Girago/Wyvang Dragooon F230 CF/GCF should 'be categorized as balance than sway attack.

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Zero-G Attack (Sway)
MSF/MSF-H Revizer Dragooon SA165 CF/GF/GCF
MSF/MSF-H Girago/Wyvang Dragooon F230 CF/GCF

Why no Wyvang on the first custom? It's heavier, which is important to consider for Sway Attack. Also, I would specify that SA165 should be used in Attack Mode. But that's just my preference. What does everyone else think?

And is MSF/MSF-H Girago/Wyvang Dragooon F230 CF/GCF really Sway Attack? If that is true, why are MF-H Duo Cancer/Aquario/Cygnus F230 CF and MSF/MSF-H Genbull Genbull F230 CF not listed here as well? I'd call them all Stamina combos, personally.

I think both modes are fine, I have no personal preference.

You would call them stamina? I would call them something more along the lines of a staller/balance. Hmm, about putting all of those in one category would need discussion IMO.

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October 2012: October Achtung (Zero G) (placed second)
12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

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OK, updated tier list:

Smash Attack

MSF/MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang W145/160 R2F/RF/XF
MSF/MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165 R2F/RF/XF

Zero-G Attack (Sway)

MSF/MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang E230/SA165/SP230 GCF/GF/CF
MSF/MSF-H Revizer Dragooon SA165 CF/GF/GCF
MSF/MSF-H Girago/Wyvang Dragooon F230 CF/GCF

Defense

MSF-H Revizer Revizer E230 RS/RB

Sway Defense (Zero-G Defense anyone?)

MSF-H Revizer Revizer E230 BSF/MB/TB/RSF/RS

Stamina

Duo Cancer/Cygnus/Aquario SA165 BWD/EWD
Duo Cancer/Cygnus/Aquario W145 EWD/BWD
Duo Cancer/Cygnus/Aquario SR200 TB
Duo Cancer/Cygnus/Aquario B

Spin Stealers

MSF-H Killerken/Revizer Dragooon B
MSF-H Killerken/Revizer Dragooon SA165 BWD/EWD

Anti-Spin Steal

MF-H Duo Cancer/Aquario/Cygnus F230 CF
MSF/MSF-H Genbull Genbull F230 CF

please. can you put this list in the OP. thank you.

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12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

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Can we get this list up now? I only have two things I'll point out, and I'm assuming everyone else agrees since nobody's posted here in almost a week.

The only things I disagree with are: I think EWD is overrated for spin stealing. IMO, it should be taken off Dragooon.

I also think the Dragooon F230 thing should go under balance, not sway attack or stamina.

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Can we get this list up now? I only have two things I'll point out, and I'm assuming everyone else agrees since nobody's posted here in almost a week.

The only things I disagree with are: I think EWD is overrated for spin stealing. IMO, it should be taken off Dragooon.

I also think the Dragooon F230 thing should go under balance, not sway attack or stamina.

Hmm, OK about EWD. edited.

I think I am going to place all F230CF combos under balance now, with no Anti Spin Steal Section.

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9/23/12: Autumn's Assault (Zero G)
October 2012: October Achtung (Zero G) (placed second)
12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

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I fully agree with the OP then.

Think we should send it off to an Advanced Member or just post it? Or does anyone object?

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I think if I send it off to Kei it will be fine.

Just curious, do you think we should add Wyvang Dragooon SA165 r2F?

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9/23/12: Autumn's Assault (Zero G)
October 2012: October Achtung (Zero G) (placed second)
12/15/12: Holiday Havoc! (Zero-G)
2/24/13: Paper vs. Plastic (Zero-G+Plastic Formats)
4/21/13: BR Maryland Qualifier (Zero-G)
5/26/12: BeyDays 2013! (BB-10) (placed first)
7/14/13: Heated Metal Plastic-y Madness! (HMS + Plastics) (placed third in HMS)
7/20/13: The Bey Brawl! (BB-10)
9/28/13 "OK, alright, mirai~!" (BB-10) (placed second)
12/15/13 No Limit Holdem'! (Zero-G, Limited)
1/19/14 Happy Gnu Year! (Zero-G)
2/23/14 Better Late Than Never! (Limited, Plastics, which I got 3rd in)
3/29/14 GBT2 North Carolina Qualfier (Limited, got 4th)
3/30/14 GBT2 Maryland Qualifier (Limited)
6/8/14 A Prehistoric Venture (Limited, HMS, placed first in HMS)
6/21/14 A Timely Farewell (Standard, Tag-Team (not official format), Zero-G, placed first in tag-team and third in Zero-G)

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No, I don't. I haven't actually launched it in a Zero-G stadium(too scared to wear my R2F lol)but I have had little to no success with smash in Zero-G, outside of a few select matchups.

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I disagree on one thing. Anti Spinsteal needs a section.

I disagree on one thing. Anti Spinsteal needs a section.

Anti-Spin Steal does not Need a section, you cant name not one "Anti Spin Stealer" that isnt a stamina or balance combo.

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