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Wing Discussion

Dec. 02, 2011  3:42 AM
 
Wow! Wing is accually quite good in defence! I hope more people can test it soon..
Dec. 02, 2011  10:03 AM
 
(Dec. 01, 2011  11:22 PM)Galaxy Jay Wrote: Gibsonmac's testing has been inserted. Will post picture of Wing being bigger than BD145 soon...

Jesus Christ, Wing's diameter> BD145's disk's diameter?

Test it later.

BTW, my metal wheel seems a little bit deformed.
Dec. 03, 2011  4:35 AM
 
(Dec. 02, 2011  10:03 AM)天翔翼 TenshouYoku Wrote:
(Dec. 01, 2011  11:22 PM)Galaxy Jay Wrote: Gibsonmac's testing has been inserted. Will post picture of Wing being bigger than BD145 soon...

Jesus Christ, Wing's diameter> BD145's disk's diameter?

Test it later.

BTW, my metal wheel seems a little bit deformed.

yeah, slightly larger than Boost Disk, L-Drago Guardian is too btw... Maximum series isn't so maximum any more, they've all been outclassed.
Dec. 04, 2011  12:55 AM
 
LOL the irony Maximum Series is now the "Outclassed in Maximumness series"
Dec. 04, 2011  1:14 AM
 
When was the > than bd145 thing just news? Beat, Vari, and Phantom ( just the ones i quick checked) all exceed the diameter of boot disk. Not by much but still exceed it.
Dec. 04, 2011  3:18 AM
 
(Dec. 04, 2011  1:14 AM)Meow! Wrote: When was the > than bd145 thing just news? Beat, Vari, and Phantom ( just the ones i quick checked) all exceed the diameter of boot disk. Not by much but still exceed it.

those are the size of Hell though slightly under I think actually, and Hell was the Maximum diameter not BD145, Wing and LDG are wider than Hell... so that's Really what we're talking about...


-There are 2 wheels within less than 2g of Basalt (maximum weight) and more than 2 that do the same job but better (Death, Phantom, Duo), while beating basalt at the same time...

-TH170(220 mode) is roughly 1mm shy of 230 (maximum height) again, it does the same job, only better also while beating 230 every time... (technically, Flame Byaxis 230WD is the Maximum Height Bey, but TH170 on, oh Basalt, and CS is taller iir, soo..)

-Wing and LDG are wider than Hell (maximum diameter) and several that are pretty much the same size (Scythe, Phantom, Vari), and oh yeah also beat Hell regularly...


so yeah, outclassed in maximumness is right
Dec. 04, 2011  5:41 AM
 
Phantom is not better at Defense than Basalt. Death is not better at Defense than Basalt.

Duo might be, but I'm extremely dubious.
Dec. 04, 2011  6:27 AM
 
(Dec. 04, 2011  5:41 AM)Hazel Wrote: Phantom is not better at Defense than Basalt. Death is not better at Defense than Basalt.

Duo might be, but I'm extremely dubious.

have you done comparative tests with say Basalt BD145CS then Phantom and Death in the same combo against say Blitz _RF or VariAres_RF??

if you do, you will most likely get higher win rates with Death and Phantom, I don't know where you are getting or basing this on... there have been several comparatives done by many members and Basalt loses out, iirc pretty much every time in fact...

In fact, I believe you yourself did a comparison test with Death and Basalt in the Death thread, and Death out performed Basalt in your testing as well right??

So why the sudden change of opinion? and what is the basis
Dec. 04, 2011  6:34 AM
 
Death is good on BD145. Equal to, at best.

Death is okay on two of the TH170 heights. Basalt is better on all three.

I like Death quite a lot, and I'd probably use it in a tournament situation just to not be "the guy with the basalt combo", but in point of fact, "the guy with the basalt combo" would still have a higher chance of winning than "the guy with the death combo", against skilled attack users. Death has several people backing it. I am one of them. But, my own experiences, combined with the tournament results I've seen others mention, echo one another.

I have not done Phantom comparative tests - and I do not own Phantom, but I have never once seen anyone claim Phantom was a valid option over Basalt or Death, and that the nearest thing to Defense it does well is a niche Defense/Stamina role. If it were actually as good as you claim, there would be some rave about it. We've had ONE instance of someone in a tournament winning with a Phantom defense combo, and it wasn't pure defense - it was MF Phantom Aquario TH170CS.

I don't buy into this whole "everything new is better" spiel going on lately, especially since the number of people posting results is <4, and any time results don't match up, incompetency and all sorts of other nonsense is flung around. I take all of this with a Costco Value-Sized bag of salt. Regardless, this is off-topic, and quite frankly, uninteresting. You have your results, I have mine. You value yours more, I value everyone else's - and my own - more.
Dec. 05, 2011  5:30 PM
 
boah lol, okay death is not so good how basalt on th170, but it didn´t need that, it is better on bd145, much better out from my expierience and phantom and duo too
basalt is noit longer the best in anyway, it gives more wheels which do the jobs on the tracks better than basalt, okay it makes the job well on this tracks but the other make it better they are specialtists, so think what´s better, an allrounder who can all but you only can choose one one option of all options, or one which is good in only one or two but makes this better than the allrounder?
that´s how by sport, you didn´t need so much your legs how your arms to throw a ball, if you can all that´s fine but in this situation you only need one of them and a specialist will beat you
Dec. 24, 2011  11:35 AM
 
Alright, I did some testing for Wing in "0" mode. It actually did better than Basalt in the tests :

•Standard Procedure
•Wing and Basalt always launched first.
•Blitz Banked
•20 rounds.

MF-H Wing Pegasis III BD145MB V/S MF-M Blitz Unicorno S130R2F

MF-H Wing Pegasis III BD145MB - 14/20 (12 OS, 2 KOs)
MF-M Blitz Unicorno S130R2F - 6/20 (6 KOs)

Wing's win rate - 70 % .


In comparison with Basalt :

MF-H Basalt Bull BD145MB V/S MF-M Blitz Unicorno S130R2F

MF-M Blitz Unicorno S130R2F - 17/20 (17 KOs)
MF-H Basalt Bull BD145MB - 3/20 (2 KOs, 1 OS)

Basalt Win rate : 15 %


Does anyone have any requests ? I can do them.
Dec. 24, 2011  6:08 PM
 
Wow! These are SO good!
I seriously never expected Wing to do this good, but yeah. Smile
Dec. 24, 2011  6:13 PM
 
"someone" was telling me about that combo via PM.
It does better than Duo sometimes!
BTW I can do requests after Christmas
Dec. 24, 2011  6:14 PM
 
ehh, lol, nice tests and thx, ehmm could you test mf-h wing pegasis (0/1/2) BD145CS vs. Blitz Unicorno s130/85/ch120 rf/r2f
Dec. 24, 2011  6:16 PM
 
SO by looking at the performance of Wing it looks like it will be a good defense wheel.
Dec. 24, 2011  6:17 PM
 
(Dec. 24, 2011  6:13 PM)Bleik Wrote: "someone" was telling me about that combo via PM.
It does better than Duo sometimes!
BTW I can do requests after Christmas

Unbelievable!
It can do better than Duo?!
I wish to see it do so(if it can that is).
My request(Do them after Christmas)-
Ask that guy who told you that it does better than Duo about what combo to use.
Use that combo against a decent attacker such as MF/MF-H VariAres R145RF. Smile
Dec. 24, 2011  6:24 PM
 
Glowfire1: I dont have Blitz but I can test against MF-H VariAres CH120RF/R145RF. Should I use an aggro or calm CS or one that does both?
Janstarblast: I can do that. BTW, should I put Kerbecs on wing since wing is 3 sided? And I meant the combo that Relic tested can do better than Duo BD145MB against certain combos
Dec. 24, 2011  6:28 PM
 
Ah, so that's what you meant to say...
Also, about the use of Kerbecs, it depends. It might have good synergy, provided you are not using BD145.
Many people say that Kerbecs CW along with BD145 hasn't been great stuff. :\
So, just keep Pegasis III as others have. Smile
Dec. 24, 2011  6:31 PM
 
yeah okay than make the test with vari ares and both cs or that which you mean has better defense capbillities
and relic could you made the test with blitz? and the same with blitz against duo
Dec. 25, 2011  8:31 PM
 
Completed requests:
MF Wing Kerbecs BD145CS VS MF-H VariAres CH120R2F
Wing: 17 Wins (All OS)
VariAres: 3 Wins

MF Wing Pegasis BD145MB VS MF-H VariAres CH120RF
Wing: 8 Wins (7 OS, 1 KO)
VariAres: 12 Wins

Random Tests:
MF Wing Kerbecs 85D VS Duo Aquario AD145WD
Wing: 19 Wins (15 OS, 4 KO)
Duo: 1 Win (OS)

MF Wing Kerbecs AD145WD VS MF-H Gravity Perseus STM (Left, Counter) 100EWD
Wing: 10 (OS)
Gravity: 10 (OS)

MF Wing Kerbecs AD145WD VS MF-H Basalt Aquario 85D
Wing: 15 Wins (13 OS, 2 KO)
Basalt: 5 Wins (4 KO, 1 OS)

Any more requests?

I have no Phantom, no Scythe, no Blitz , no Death and no TH170 or EDS. I dont have 2 BD145's
VariAres was in Right Spin
My CS is calm but when hit it stalls then slows down after 5 seconds
Dec. 25, 2011  8:40 PM
 
State Spin-Direction when you are testing a Dual-Spin Beyblade.
Dec. 25, 2011  9:45 PM
 
ehh wow that are really nice results, nice to see that wing beats duo in stamina Grin
can you do some tests with the other spin direction of vari ares agisnt the both wing combis, and please some with vari ares at 145 high thx
Dec. 25, 2011  10:17 PM
 
Bleik, you have got to learn this: If you even bother testing a wheels Stamina against an already entrenched one, they must be at the same height to prevent destabilization. This isn't the first time I've told you this. It is a very simple concept.

Don't use plain 145 for glowfire's request, by the way, use R145. (which I believe he is assuming)
Dec. 25, 2011  10:25 PM
 
OK. MF-H VariAres R145RF is not as good a CH120RF glowfire1!
I will do MF-H VariAres R145LRF (left) against MF Wing Kerbecs BD145MB/CS
I will also do:
-MF Wing Kerbecs AD145WD VS MF-H Basalt Aquario AD145WD
-MF Wing Kerbecs AD145WD VS MF-H Duo Aquario AD145WD

Dec. 25, 2011  10:30 PM
 
Okay, that whole same-height-to-determine-efficiency thing just went over your head.
If he requests 145 height, use it. (rubber or not)

Wing Aquario AD145WD vs. Duo Aquario AD145WD
Wing Aquario 100WD vs. Duo Aquario 100WD
Wing Aquario AD145WD vs. Phantom Aquario AD145WD
Wing Aquario 100WD vs. Phantom Aquario 100WD

You get it..?
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