(Jun. 24, 2019 3:13 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: Again like I said of you want try to cover the flaws by saying he has a different growth that's fine by me time was Clearly use in burst sone characters took some time beat one character you always need to showcase time that's part of characters growth. And about they way you explain why he was drop look at valt could've easily end it with season 2 and completely change the cast but he was for s3 and s4 so yea aiga could've still be the main for s4 theirs something call create new op characters like phi the original and mfb also had main who had reach the top but the create new threat. Wait you think aiga os the only beyblade character to get criticize lol Every beyblade anime had their flaws original or mfb and zero aiga isn't first and wont be the last lol . In fact all anime , manga , light Novel and comics characters will get criticize if it's not consistent I've seen characters that was showcase even worse than what beyblade character has. And by the way all main character has plot armor. No main character is going to end in his show without being at the top it doesnt matter if the rivals is better than him/her it's just how the present it that makes it good or not. Anyway lets move on this discussing this won go anywhere.
I asked " especially for newbie bladers in the franchise that were either uber powerful, had training or physical experience in an environment like Aiga did, prodigies, or people who got a super powerful bey but never bothered to put in the heart into training unless another character forced them to get serious" so why is this suddenly the problem for Aiga. SPECIFICALLY the he's a newbie with little experience despite having the physical expertise and ya know "BUILT HIS BEY SPECFICALLY TO COUNTER VALT". Why is that the problem I'm asking you.
You guys are using plot armor completely wrong. In the case of Beyblade, plot armor in this case is a character's inability to lose because of their importance to the story, overpowered to the point of being unstoppable, is immune from losing or wins with no explanation. But everything about Aiga is explained and showed and telled.
He's not treated like a Mary Sue.
He has legitimately reasons why he lost.
He's LOST several times period.
He's flawed.
He tries to improve himself.
He has legimiate reasons why he won battles.
There are several shows and anime where the main character isn't going to be at the top. Natsu couldn't beat Acnologia without his friends, Gingka never beat Ryuga after Fusion, Shield Hero is constantly outclassed by others in terms of power levels and has to rely on his party and curse magic to pull out wins, Kamina DIED, Deku didn't even make it to the quarter finals of his torunament, and in the case of YuGiOh Arc V they beat the Big Bad the same way the Big Good defeated them long ago...while the main protagonist became the main villain. And news flash, several protagonists have never outright be able to defeat the big bad on their own. Naruto and Sasuke had to seal Kaguya rather than outright beat her.
showcase time that's part of characters growth....he's the main character, we watched him do that for 51 episodes!
Again, instead of being mad that Aiga didn't get two seasons, keep in mind you can keep a character around for two seasons and how that character is used can vary dependelty. We all point out how great Valt is in his two seasons, but Rantaro also was in two seasons and people are still split on his character, me included. Length doesn't equal quality, its the quality within that set length of a character and story that counts. I thought Teen Titans Go season 1 was just okay but season 2 and 3 onwards were garbage and I've seen bad content throught 4 and 5 since.
(Jun. 24, 2019 3:37 AM)Okanie Wrote: I don't get where you get the idea that he was self-loathing? Aiga has been anything other than a self-loathing character (only when Achilles broke)-- if anything on the beyqueen arc he was frustrated and obsessed with winning. Not self-loathing. Also he wasn't really up against the wall in the beyqueen battles? Like sure his ego and pride may be hurt badly, but he wasn't in danger of getting kicked off the ship yet. Honestly, it did seem like he suddenly got a boost of energy-- not saying that there's anything wrong with natural talent-- but there wasn't that feeling of passion towards beyblade until near the ending of s3. To the audience it does feel like he just randomly got stronger without having to strive too hard for it.
Aiga hardly listens to people. Like only in the Longinus and after he got to making Cho-Z Achilles did he actually consider what other people are saying-- but in all honesty, Aiga did things on his own whim. The only person he did listen to at all, was Shu because Shu wasn't soft on the kid. The kid didn't even listen to his own dad, and Shu actually had to snap at him and not play along with Aiga's whim. The whole dark resonance arc completely took away the flaw that Aiga had in the beginning which was his arrogance-- that's why his character was so inconsistent in the anime. They never went over the fact of him getting over that arrogance or ever addressing it and instead hides under the veil of dark resonance. So no, the arc doesn't make sense and just made Aiga didn't seem like... Aiga, even after the dark resonance arc.
Aiga as a main character for burst has a ton of flaws in his character development-- it's impossible to hide under the idea of him being naturally talent at the sport. Even if a person is gifted-- they still have to work for it to polish and improve on it, in which we hardly see Aiga do throughout the anime. I'm only talking about anime Aiga as his whole story has a ton of flaws that have been pointed out by many. He wasn't a consistent character and especially as a main character. Yes, Valt had his own natural talent for beyblade but he constantly worked on it and polished on the skills that were there to get better-- he got a reality check constantly for that. The whole beyqueen arc was supposed to do that for Aiga but it didn't. He got stagnated to the point where there wasn't anymore growth for him until Achilles broke, and even then it was... extremely non sequitur to the beginning of Cho-Z.
Anyway... sorry for dragging that on longer-- the Cho-Z anime had a lot of issues in literally anything. But if I had to choose a character that I dislike... maybe not hate is... probably Stan from Burst God? He was a bully and like... never really apologized for the stuff that he put everyone through. Him and probably Kouji as... Kouji was just randomly really mean sometimes-- without even meaning to.
How I do upload pictures on posts, cuz the evidence is in the episodes, and I'm damn willing to spend the time t find them.
Nonononono, constantly questioning your abilities and efforts into question after consecutive failings and shortcomings is self-loathing.
The Battleship Cruise arc for Aiga was about how he shouldn’t let winning become his only obsession when it comes to battles and trust in himself more with the love of blading and battling over seeing winning as the end goal. Also yeah, he had 2 stars left at one point, but he constantly saw him getting pissed more and more while everyone else was mocking him for it: Ranjiro, Kyle, even Naru, Fubuki, and Phi pointed this out.
The best part about saying he suddenly got a boost of energy...after he got Z Dive in episode 14/15, he didn’t get a new special move or random power up until he got the Dark Resonance with Free, which was AFTER he was getting over his doubts. Again, rewatch his battles between episodes 15 through 24 and name one sign.
He does listen to people, in fact, he’s more cooperate when the situation calls. It was because he kept listening to Xhan, Laban, Fubuki, and Houi that he eventually relaxed a bit and calm down.
Again, he hardlt listened to people IN THE DARK RESONANCE ARC BECAUSE THAT WAS THE POINT. Just as he’s getting better, the moment he gets the Dark Resonance, it pushes him to the point of obsession and drive: being unable to do damage to Free, not thinking straight or finding a counter strategy to fight Fubuki in time, reaching so far to get to Valt only to crumble under the pressure and have the DR empitsize the exact character flaw. The Battlecruise Arc for Aiga was to do two things: establish where Aiga could go in two direction: him at his best and with the clear mind to be the best blader without seeing winning as the only endpoint, and the fraility of self doubt forcing him to abandon the spirit of beyblade.
Arrogance and fear is the manifestation and fear of his Dark Resonance. When Phi found nothing but emptiness in Aiga and broke Achilles, that’s what Aiga was, a broken blader who let victory be his only goal and crumble on the pressure. Its called dramatic irony. Writers making their characters go through their worse trauma event after event and then crack was the point of it all. And we saw damn well traces of Aiga’s good traits, Shu was the best person to go help Aiga because he went through the same process and issue in season 2 with the Requiem Project as his trigger.
Aiga did have those flaws, he has natural talent but he does strong and the show constantly shows he needs and does train for all his challenges in spite and despite his power.
Stan sucks, simply.