[Takara Tomy]  Twin Nemesis Testing and Discussion

(Jan. 27, 2020  1:22 AM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Jan. 27, 2020  1:18 AM)Armor Wrote: Why is Expand more useful? Unless you save Wall for a Bearing combo, I don't see Expand being any better. If you are using Wall on another combo, just use Lift or Turn here instead.

Also, do you guys think all Hasbro Turbo beys will be allowed, or will some be banned?

First off, wall would scrape on Octa while expand just barely does not scrape. Second, I feel only the more powerful Turbo beys will be banned, like Turbo Spryzen S4.

Wait, weren't you the one who originally agreed that Wall was a smart idea...?
(Jan. 27, 2020  3:09 AM)Armor Wrote:
(Jan. 27, 2020  1:22 AM)BuilderROB Wrote: First off, wall would scrape on Octa while expand just barely does not scrape. Second, I feel only the more powerful Turbo beys will be banned, like Turbo Spryzen S4.

Wait, weren't you the one who originally agreed that Wall was a smart idea...?

It was between bump and wall, and I was going to go with bump until I saw Ardmore Bladers’ post on Expand, and since that did not scrape the floor, I decided to use it.
(Jan. 27, 2020  3:38 AM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Jan. 27, 2020  3:09 AM)Armor Wrote: Wait, weren't you the one who originally agreed that Wall was a smart idea...?

It was between bump and wall, and I was going to go with bump until I saw Ardmore Bladers’ post on Expand, and since that did not scrape the floor, I decided to use it.

Very well. I do not know if Lift or Turn is heavier than Expand, but if they are you may want to check if they scrape as well.
Twin Nemesis (MGC and Upper Mode) 7Expand Octa Vs Kerbeus K4 7Wall Bearing. I did ten rounds.

Results:

Twin Nemesis: 5 OS’ 2 KO

Kerbeus K4: 2 KO’s 1 OS

Bearing definitely has worse same spin stamina than Octa, which was interesting to finally see.
Twin Nemesis(MGC, Upper Mode) 7 Expand Octa Vs Fafnir F3 0 Wall Hold, Best Of 10 Rounds.

tN.7E.Octa: 2 Wins(All KO)

F3.0W.H: 8 Wins(3 KO, 5 OS)

Twin Nemesis Winrate: (20%)
Overall, Hold was able to out-precess Octa every battle that ended in OS, but Wall on Hold self-KOed a few times, lowing F3’s winrate.
(Jan. 30, 2020  12:11 AM)Ardmore Bladers Wrote: Twin Nemesis(MGC, Upper Mode) 7 Expand Octa Vs Fafnir F3 0 Wall Hold, Best Of 10 Rounds.

tN.7E.Octa: 2 Wins(All KO)

F3.0W.H: 8 Wins(3 KO, 5 OS)

Twin Nemesis Winrate: (20%)
Overall, Hold was able to out-precess Octa every battle that ended in OS, but Wall on Hold self-KOed a few times, lowing F3’s winrate.

That’s... an interesting test. I’m actually gonna do that test now but with H’.

Twin Nemesis (MGC and Upper Mode) Vs. Drain Fafnir 0Wall Hold’. I did ten rounds.

Results:

Twin Nemesis: 30% (1 OS 2 KO’s)

Drain Fafnir: 70% (3 Burst’s 3 OS’ 1 KO)

Hold’ beats Octa opposite spin, which is good to know. I’d like to know how much opposite spin LAD hold’ has compared to something like Bearing or Xtend+.
Twin Nemesis (MGC and Upper Mode) 7Expand Octa Vs. Arc Bahamut (MGC) 7Wall Hold’. I did ten rounds.

Results:

Twin Nemesis: 70% (3 OS’ 2 KO’s 2 Burst’s)

Arc Bahamut: 30% (3 OS’)

I guess Arc Bahamut doesn’t synergize very well with Hold’.
(Jan. 31, 2020  10:42 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: Twin Nemesis (MGC and Upper Mode) 7Expand Octa Vs. Arc Bahamut (MGC) 7Wall Hold’. I did ten rounds.

Results:

Twin Nemesis: 70% (3 OS’ 2 KO’s 2 Burst’s)

Arc Bahamut: 30% (3 OS’)

I guess Arc Bahamut doesn’t synergize very well with Hold’.

aB on P/J.At/Om would probably be a better match against that tN combo, medium slide/tilt launch for aB. Or you can try the tested aB.7G.At against it.
(Feb. 03, 2020  6:40 AM)Rouzuke Wrote:
(Jan. 31, 2020  10:42 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: Twin Nemesis (MGC and Upper Mode) 7Expand Octa Vs. Arc Bahamut (MGC) 7Wall Hold’. I did ten rounds.

Results:

Twin Nemesis: 70% (3 OS’ 2 KO’s 2 Burst’s)

Arc Bahamut: 30% (3 OS’)

I guess Arc Bahamut doesn’t synergize very well with Hold’.

aB on P/J.At/Om would probably be a better match against that tN combo, medium slide/tilt launch for aB. Or you can try the tested aB.7G.At against it.
I think aB would have lost anyway, as Octa is able outprecess Atomic, and by extension, will outprecess Orbit Metal.
(Jan. 30, 2020  12:55 AM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Jan. 30, 2020  12:11 AM)Ardmore Bladers Wrote: Twin Nemesis(MGC, Upper Mode) 7 Expand Octa Vs Fafnir F3 0 Wall Hold, Best Of 10 Rounds.

tN.7E.Octa: 2 Wins(All KO)

F3.0W.H: 8 Wins(3 KO, 5 OS)

Twin Nemesis Winrate: (20%)
Overall, Hold was able to out-precess Octa every battle that ended in OS, but Wall on Hold self-KOed a few times, lowing F3’s winrate.

That’s... an interesting test. I’m actually gonna do that test now but with H’.

Twin Nemesis (MGC and Upper Mode) Vs. Drain Fafnir 0Wall Hold’. I did ten rounds.

Results:

Twin Nemesis: 30% (1 OS 2 KO’s)

Drain Fafnir: 70% (3 Burst’s 3 OS’ 1 KO)

Hold’ beats Octa opposite spin, which is good to know. I’d like to know how much opposite spin LAD hold’ has compared to something like Bearing or Xtend+.


A LAD chart has already been figured out.
[Image: Wombat_Same_Spin_And_Opposite_Spin_Drive..._Chart.png]
(Feb. 03, 2020  8:52 PM)AirKingNeo Wrote:
(Jan. 30, 2020  12:55 AM)BuilderROB Wrote: That’s... an interesting test. I’m actually gonna do that test now but with H’.

Twin Nemesis (MGC and Upper Mode) Vs. Drain Fafnir 0Wall Hold’. I did ten rounds.

Results:

Twin Nemesis: 30% (1 OS 2 KO’s)

Drain Fafnir: 70% (3 Burst’s 3 OS’ 1 KO)

Hold’ beats Octa opposite spin, which is good to know. I’d like to know how much opposite spin LAD hold’ has compared to something like Bearing or Xtend+.


A LAD chart has already been figured out.
[Image: Wombat_Same_Spin_And_Opposite_Spin_Drive..._Chart.png]

That chart doesn’t include Hold on the opposite spin side, but I think that it’s about equal with Destroy, but if you get a good one, it will beat bearing and Xtend Plus in opposite spin.
(Feb. 03, 2020  8:52 PM)AirKingNeo Wrote:
(Jan. 30, 2020  12:55 AM)BuilderROB Wrote: That’s... an interesting test. I’m actually gonna do that test now but with H’.

Twin Nemesis (MGC and Upper Mode) Vs. Drain Fafnir 0Wall Hold’. I did ten rounds.

Results:

Twin Nemesis: 30% (1 OS 2 KO’s)

Drain Fafnir: 70% (3 Burst’s 3 OS’ 1 KO)

Hold’ beats Octa opposite spin, which is good to know. I’d like to know how much opposite spin LAD hold’ has compared to something like Bearing or Xtend+.


A LAD chart has already been figured out.
[Image: Wombat_Same_Spin_And_Opposite_Spin_Drive..._Chart.png]

That could be a bit dated, as new parts have come out since then. Also, hold is not on the opposite spin side.
Time to try my tN combo against stronger Limited Format combos.

Twin Nemesis (MGC and Upper Mode) 7Expand Octa Vs. Spryzen Requiem S3 (Left Spin) 7Wall Bearing. I did ten rounds.

Results:

Twin Nemesis: 0%

Spryzen Requiem S3: 100% (6 OS 3 Burst 1 KO)

Well, it’s no surprise why Spryzen Requiem/Spriggan Requiem is getting banned.
(Feb. 07, 2020  4:44 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: Time to try my tN combo against stronger Limited Format combos.

Twin Nemesis (MGC and Upper Mode) 7Expand Octa Vs. Spryzen Requiem S3 (Left Spin) 7Wall Bearing. I did ten rounds.

Results:

Twin Nemesis: 0%

Spryzen Requiem S3: 100% (6 OS 3 Burst 1 KO)

Well, it’s no surprise why Spryzen Requiem/Spriggan Requiem is getting banned.

Yeah, because Sr/Sr3 is pretty good for attack.

BuilderROB
tN 7E Octa VS Sr3(Left) 7B Hunter. I did 10 rounds.
tN 7E Octa: 70%(7 OS)
Sr3 7B Hunter: 30%(3 KO's)
(Feb. 07, 2020  5:56 PM)#Fafnir Wrote:
(Feb. 07, 2020  4:44 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: Time to try my tN combo against stronger Limited Format combos.

Twin Nemesis (MGC and Upper Mode) 7Expand Octa Vs. Spryzen Requiem S3 (Left Spin) 7Wall Bearing. I did ten rounds.

Results:

Twin Nemesis: 0%

Spryzen Requiem S3: 100% (6 OS 3 Burst 1 KO)

Well, it’s no surprise why Spryzen Requiem/Spriggan Requiem is getting banned.

Yeah, because Sr/Sr3 is pretty good for attack.

BuilderROB
tN 7E Octa VS Sr3(Left) 7B Hunter. I did 10 rounds.
tN 7E Octa: 70%(7 OS)
Sr3 7B Hunter: 30%(3 KO's)

Not really. It’s shape isn’t really ideal for attack, and does best in defense/stamina combos. At most it could be passable for attack.
(Feb. 07, 2020  6:34 PM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Feb. 07, 2020  5:56 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: Yeah, because Sr/Sr3 is pretty good for attack.

BuilderROB
tN 7E Octa VS Sr3(Left) 7B Hunter. I did 10 rounds.
tN 7E Octa: 70%(7 OS)
Sr3 7B Hunter: 30%(3 KO's)

Not really. It’s shape isn’t really ideal for attack, and does best in defense/stamina combos. At most it could be passable for attack.

Yeah, but I prefer Sr3 over lS3 for attack combinations(mainly because the slopes on my lS3 are really worn).
(Feb. 07, 2020  6:36 PM)#Fafnir Wrote:
(Feb. 07, 2020  6:34 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: Not really. It’s shape isn’t really ideal for attack, and does best in defense/stamina combos. At most it could be passable for attack.

Yeah, but I prefer Sr3 over lS3 for attack combinations(mainly because the slopes on my lS3 are really worn).

I’d go for something like Xcalius X3 or X4 over Legend Spryzen S3. Or if you got it maybe Hades H3 or Turbo Achilles/Valtryek.
(Feb. 07, 2020  6:37 PM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Feb. 07, 2020  6:36 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: Yeah, but I prefer Sr3 over lS3 for attack combinations(mainly because the slopes on my lS3 are really worn).

I’d go for something like Xcalius X3 or X4 over Legend Spryzen S3. Or if you got it maybe Hades H3 or Turbo Achilles/Valtryek.

I totally forgot about X3, X4, H3, and tV3! I'll do more testing later. Smile
(Feb. 07, 2020  6:38 PM)#Fafnir Wrote:
(Feb. 07, 2020  6:37 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: I’d go for something like Xcalius X3 or X4 over Legend Spryzen S3. Or if you got it maybe Hades H3 or Turbo Achilles/Valtryek.

I totally forgot about X3, X4, H3, and tV3! I'll do more testing later. Smile

Ok then.
tN(Upper mode) 7E Octa VS sX3 7B Hunter. I did 10 rounds.
tN: 50%
sX3: 50%
tN(Upper mode) 7E Octa VS bX4 7B Hunter. I did 10 rounds.
tN: 40%
bX4: 60%
tN(Upper mode) 7E Octa VS nL3 Bump Hunter. I did 10 rounds
tN: 50%
nL3: 50%

tN(Upper mode) 7E Octa VS tV3 7B Hunter. I did 10 rounds.
tN: 70%
tV3: 30%
tN(Upper mode) 7E Octa VS dH3 7B Hunter. I did 10 rounds.
tN: 40%
dH3: 60%
Twin Nemesis (MGC and Upper Mode) 7Expand Octa Vs. Arc Bahamut (MGC) 7Cross Revolve. I did ten rounds.

Results:

Twin Nemesis: 80% (4 OS’ 4 KO’s)

Arc Bahamut: 20% (2 Burst)

It seems revolve has less opposite spin stamina than I thought. It does feel tight on Revolve so I like using it over drivers like Eternal. Twin Nemesis on Octa continues to be a powerhouse. It’s only weakness is the self burst risk, which happened twice in this test.
With Accel’, I can finally do some new testing with Twin Nemesis.

Twin Nemesis (MGC and Upper Mode) 7Bump Accel’ Vs. Arc Bahamut (MGC) 7Cross Revolve. I did ten rounds.

Results:

Twin Nemesis: 90% (5 KO’s 3 OS’ 1 Burst)

Arc Bahamut: 10% (1 KO)

Well, Twin Nemesis on Accel’ definitely doesn’t have that burst risk like it did on Octa. I want to see if Accel’ works better on tN than Octa, so I will be doing more tests later.
Twin Nemesis (MGC and Upper Mode) 7Bump Accel’ Vs. Maximum Garuda (MGC) 7Cross Orbit Metal. I did ten rounds.

Results:

Twin Nemesis: 70% (3 OS 4 Burst’s)

Maximum Garuda: 30% (2 OS’ 1 KO)

Yeah, I should probably use 5 for Maximum Garuda next time.