[Takara Tomy]  Geist Fafnir Testing Thread

(Nov. 04, 2018  4:28 PM)DaJetsnake Wrote: Oh just that it hasn't been used in tourneys really

Well i think geist fafnir is quite underrated because of it's stock combo,that has the absorb driver,the absorb driver is just booty and because of that people think geist fafnir is a terrible layer while it is just the absorb driver holding it back,how about trying absorb on hS even it will perform bad,that doesn't mean that hS is bad right?same goes for gF,people won't really test it because it has got the stamp of "AVERAGE " slapped on it's face 
That's why i think gF is a really good balance layer since it has attack and stamina
gF.7.G.xt+ and gF.10.et are really good combos
Their only weaknesses being bearing(opp.spin) and xt+ respectively

Edit:also same spin atomic gives it a really tough time
(Nov. 04, 2018  4:28 PM)DaJetsnake Wrote: Oh just that it hasn't been used in tourneys really
Bc hS has better same and opposite spin then gF...
Can someone do gF 0g reboot vs WV 7b extreme.
(Nov. 04, 2018  4:36 PM)Pyroblaze212 Wrote:
(Nov. 04, 2018  4:28 PM)DaJetsnake Wrote: Oh just that it hasn't been used in tourneys really

Well i think geist fafnir is quite underrated because of it's stock combo,that has the absorb driver,the absorb driver is just booty and because of that people think geist fafnir is a terrible layer while it is just the absorb driver holding it back,how about trying absorb on hS even it will perform bad,that doesn't mean that hS is bad right?same goes for gF,people won't really test it because it has got the stamp of "AVERAGE " slapped on it's face 
That's why i think gF is a really good balance layer since it has attack and stamina
gF.7.G.xt+ and gF.10.et are really good combos
Their only weaknesses being bearing(opp.spin) and xt+ respectively

Edit:also same spin atomic gives it a really tough time

I wouldn't say Geist Fafnir's attack potential is high. While having an aggressive shape, the teeth aren't enough to handle heavy recoil.
(Nov. 05, 2018  4:00 AM)Armor Wrote:
(Nov. 04, 2018  4:36 PM)Pyroblaze212 Wrote: Well i think geist fafnir is quite underrated because of it's stock combo,that has the absorb driver,the absorb driver is just booty and because of that people think geist fafnir is a terrible layer while it is just the absorb driver holding it back,how about trying absorb on hS even it will perform bad,that doesn't mean that hS is bad right?same goes for gF,people won't really test it because it has got the stamp of "AVERAGE " slapped on it's face 
That's why i think gF is a really good balance layer since it has attack and stamina
gF.7.G.xt+ and gF.10.et are really good combos
Their only weaknesses being bearing(opp.spin) and xt+ respectively

Edit:also same spin atomic gives it a really tough time

I wouldn't say Geist Fafnir's attack potential is high. While having an aggressive shape, the teeth aren't enough to handle heavy recoil
that's where destroy dash comes in to play,use that and the burst problem is solved plus try soft launching it,then you don't have to worry about self recoil

(Nov. 04, 2018  11:17 PM)Jman jman Wrote: Can someone do gF 0g reboot vs WV 7b extreme.

gF.0.G.rb vs wV.7.B.x'

gF:7 wins(1 over,6 os)
wV:3 wins(2 over,1 os)

Kind of expected it would turn out this way
I agree with the choice of Destroy'. I really want to see how Geist Fafnir 7Cross Destroy' does. Maybe switch out the frame for an attack frame, since Destroy has plenty of LAD.
I feel like Geist Fafnir with Destroy’ would only be good against opposite spin though, I think Xtreme’ would be better for same spin match ups.
I agree. I'm not sure if Geist Fafnir's attack potential is that high, though.
Yeah, even if the gimmick is mostly inconsequential, it can damper attack potential. But, you don't want to rule it out before it's tested
I guess you're right. Can someone hit us up with some tests though?
(Nov. 06, 2018  4:48 AM)Armor Wrote: I guess you're right. Can someone hit us up with some tests though?

Ok so i did some tests with gF on ds'(15 rounds per battle)
(against left spin)
gF.7.B.ds' vs hS.0.B.br

gF:10 wins(7 burst,2 over,1 os)
hS:5 wins(5 os)

It's a good counter to hS on br

gF.7.B.ds' vs bL.7.U.ds

gF:9 wins(3 burst,3 over,3 os)
bL:6 wins(4 over,2 os)

kind of expected this outcome

gF.7.B.ds' vs hS.7.B.at

gF:5 wins(1 burst,3 over,1 os)
hS:10 wins(2 over,8 os)

Well gF got demolished(it did manage to get a burst though)

(Vs right spin)

gF.7.B.ds' vs rP.10.B.at

gF:8 wins(1 burst,4 over,3 os)
rP:7 wins(2 over,5 os)

Really close, but if rP's armor doesn't come off,then gF does outspin it

gF.7.B.ds' vs aH.10.et

gF:5 wins(3 over,2 os)
aH:10 wins(1 over,9 os)

Who would have guessed that lol

gF.7.B.ds' vs wV.0.B.at

gF:9 wins(1 burst,4 over,4 os)
wV:6 wins(4 over,2 os)

Valkyrie did better than i thought surprisingly

Overall,gF on ds' is good,it beat rP on at,bL and hS on br and wV,i mean it did lose hS on at and aH on et,however i do think that rP on et would have done better against gF but still though it did not even burst once

FINAL THOUGHTS:
gF on ds' is actually good and can be used to counter br combos(same spin),many right spin beys(not aH though,that thing is broken) and also other attack types but it does lose to hS on atomic,aH on et,which is understandable since these two combos are OP AF lol

I would still prefer xt+ and et on gF though but ds' is a good choice too
(Nov. 06, 2018  8:50 AM)Pyroblaze212 Wrote:
(Nov. 06, 2018  4:48 AM)Armor Wrote: I guess you're right. Can someone hit us up with some tests though?

Ok so i did some tests with gF on ds'(15 rounds per battle)
(against left spin)
gF.7.B.ds' vs hS.0.B.br

gF:10 wins(7 burst,2 over,1 os)
hS:5 wins(5 os)

It's a good counter to hS on br

gF.7.B.ds' vs bL.7.U.ds

gF:9 wins(3 burst,3 over,3 os)
bL:6 wins(4 over,2 os)

kind of expected this outcome

gF.7.B.ds' vs hS.7.B.at

gF:5 wins(1 burst,3 over,1 os)
hS:10 wins(2 over,8 os)

Well gF got demolished(it did manage to get a burst though)

(Vs right spin)

gF.7.B.ds' vs rP.10.B.at

gF:8 wins(1 burst,4 over,3 os)
rP:7 wins(2 over,5 os)

Really close, but if rP's armor doesn't come off,then gF does outspin it

gF.7.B.ds' vs aH.10.et

gF:5 wins(3 over,2 os)
aH:10 wins(1 over,9 os)

Who would have guessed that lol

gF.7.B.ds' vs wV.0.B.at

gF:9 wins(1 burst,4 over,4 os)
wV:6 wins(4 over,2 os)

Valkyrie did better than i thought surprisingly

Overall,gF on ds' is good,it beat rP on at,bL and hS on br and wV,i mean it did lose hS on at and aH on et,however i do think that rP on et would have done better against gF but still though it did not even burst once

FINAL THOUGHTS:
gF on ds' is actually good and can be used to counter br combos(same spin),many right spin beys(not aH though,that thing is broken) and also other attack types but it does lose to hS on atomic,aH on et,which is understandable since these two combos are OP AF lol

I would still prefer xt+ and et on gF though but ds' is a good choice too

But isn't Bloody Longinus better for left spin attack?
(Nov. 06, 2018  9:54 AM)g2_ Wrote:
(Nov. 06, 2018  8:50 AM)Pyroblaze212 Wrote: Ok so i did some tests with gF on ds'(15 rounds per battle)
(against left spin)
gF.7.B.ds' vs hS.0.B.br

gF:10 wins(7 burst,2 over,1 os)
hS:5 wins(5 os)

It's a good counter to hS on br

gF.7.B.ds' vs bL.7.U.ds

gF:9 wins(3 burst,3 over,3 os)
bL:6 wins(4 over,2 os)

kind of expected this outcome

gF.7.B.ds' vs hS.7.B.at

gF:5 wins(1 burst,3 over,1 os)
hS:10 wins(2 over,8 os)

Well gF got demolished(it did manage to get a burst though)

(Vs right spin)

gF.7.B.ds' vs rP.10.B.at

gF:8 wins(1 burst,4 over,3 os)
rP:7 wins(2 over,5 os)

Really close, but if rP's armor doesn't come off,then gF does outspin it

gF.7.B.ds' vs aH.10.et

gF:5 wins(3 over,2 os)
aH:10 wins(1 over,9 os)

Who would have guessed that lol

gF.7.B.ds' vs wV.0.B.at

gF:9 wins(1 burst,4 over,4 os)
wV:6 wins(4 over,2 os)

Valkyrie did better than i thought surprisingly

Overall,gF on ds' is good,it beat rP on at,bL and hS on br and wV,i mean it did lose hS on at and aH on et,however i do think that rP on et would have done better against gF but still though it did not even burst once

FINAL THOUGHTS:
gF on ds' is actually good and can be used to counter br combos(same spin),many right spin beys(not aH though,that thing is broken) and also other attack types but it does lose to hS on atomic,aH on et,which is understandable since these two combos are OP AF lol

I would still prefer xt+ and et on gF though but ds' is a good choice too

But isn't Bloody Longinus better for left spin attack?
Ofcourse ,i mean there is a reason it is called an "attack" type,but gF on ds' is also no pushover
(Nov. 06, 2018  10:01 AM)Pyroblaze212 Wrote:
(Nov. 06, 2018  9:54 AM)g2_ Wrote: But isn't Bloody Longinus better for left spin attack?
Ofcourse ,i mean there is a reason it is called an "attack" type,but gF on ds' is also no pushover

True, very true.
Can you test bL.7(or a heavy 10 if you have).G. xt+(attack) vs gF.7.G.xt+
(Nov. 06, 2018  12:49 PM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: Can you test bL.7(or a heavy 10 if you have).G. xt+(attack) vs gF.7.G.xt+

I have only one xt+ though
Well i dunno just got some free time and decided to do some tests(15 rounds)

gF.7.G.xt+ vs rP.10.C.ds

gF:11 wins(1 burst,3 over,7 os)
rP:4 wins(3 over,1 os)

gF.10.et vs rP.10.C.ds

gF:12 wins(1 burst,1 over,8 os)
rP:3 wins(3 over)

gF.7.G.xt+ vs dH.10.D.X'

gF:9 wins(2 over,7 os)
dH:6 wins(5 over,1 os)

gF.10.et vs dH.10.D.X'

gF:10 wins(1 over,9 os)
dH:5 wins(5 over)

I really wanted to test this dH combo against gF and also somebody asked some days ago to test gF against rP on ds so.... i did and it turned out as i thought it would
Then can you test bL.7(or a heavy 10 if you have).G. xt+(attack) vs gF.10.et?
Adding onto that, bL.7U/B/G.O/R/X/X'/Jl v gF.10.Et (or gF.10P/G.Xt+((staminda mode))
Ok so here are the results(15 rounds per battle) of the requests mentioned above:

gF.10.et vs bL.7.G.xt+(attack)

gF:9 wins(1 burst,8 os)
bL:6 wins(3 burst,3 over)

gF.10.G.xt+(stamina) vs bL.7.U.jl

gF:10 wins(1 burst,2 over,7 os)
bL:5 wins(3 burst,2 over)

Give me more test suggestions
gF 7Meteor Xtreme vs bL 0Bump Bearing
(Nov. 09, 2018  8:47 AM)Pyroblaze212 Wrote: Ok so here are the results(15 rounds per battle) of the requests mentioned above:

gF.10.et vs bL.7.G.xt+(attack)

gF:9 wins(1 burst,8 os)
bL:6 wins(3 burst,3 over)

gF.10.G.xt+(stamina) vs bL.7.U.jl

gF:10 wins(1 burst,2 over,7 os)
bL:5 wins(3 burst,2 over)

Give me more test suggestions
Can you do gF 8 nothing vs df 8' absorb?
(Nov. 09, 2018  3:08 PM)Jman jman Wrote:
(Nov. 09, 2018  8:47 AM)Pyroblaze212 Wrote: Ok so here are the results(15 rounds per battle) of the requests mentioned above:

gF.10.et vs bL.7.G.xt+(attack)

gF:9 wins(1 burst,8 os)
bL:6 wins(3 burst,3 over)

gF.10.G.xt+(stamina) vs bL.7.U.jl

gF:10 wins(1 burst,2 over,7 os)
bL:5 wins(3 burst,2 over)

Give me more test suggestions
Can you do gF 8 nothing vs df 8' absorb?

Competitive testing sir
(Nov. 09, 2018  3:08 PM)Jman jman Wrote:
(Nov. 09, 2018  8:47 AM)Pyroblaze212 Wrote: Ok so here are the results(15 rounds per battle) of the requests mentioned above:

gF.10.et vs bL.7.G.xt+(attack)

gF:9 wins(1 burst,8 os)
bL:6 wins(3 burst,3 over)

gF.10.G.xt+(stamina) vs bL.7.U.jl

gF:10 wins(1 burst,2 over,7 os)
bL:5 wins(3 burst,2 over)

Give me more test suggestions
Can you do gF 8 nothing vs df 8' absorb?

Geist Fafnir 8 Nothing vs Drain Fafnir 8' Absorb.

Drain Fafnir launched first
1 Geist Fafnir spin finish (1 point)
2 Geist Fafnir spin finish (1 point)
3 Geist Fafnir spin finish (1 point)
4 Geist Fafnir spin finish (1 point)
5 Geist Fafnir spin finish (1 point)
***Geist Fafnir wins every round, Drain got off balance and lost.
Geist Fafnir launched first
1 Geist Fafnir burst finish (2 points)
2 Drain Fafnir spin finish (1 point)
3 Drain Fafnir spin finish (1 point)
4 Drain Fafnir spin finish (1 point)
5 Drain Fafnir spin finish (1 point)
*** In the first battle, Drain used Absorb break, hit Geist and got self bursted. Other rounds, due to higher spin velocity, Drain managed to take the center, and Geist got off balance and lost.
Thoughts: Both combos have almost identical stamina, because of that, the one who got launched first won almost every time. Other than that, Geist Fafnir is better in every way.
(Nov. 09, 2018  10:27 PM)g2_ Wrote:
(Nov. 09, 2018  3:08 PM)Jman jman Wrote: Can you do gF 8 nothing vs df 8' absorb?

Geist Fafnir 8 Nothing vs Drain Fafnir 8' Absorb.

Drain Fafnir launched first
1 Geist Fafnir spin finish (1 point)
2 Geist Fafnir spin finish (1 point)
3 Geist Fafnir spin finish (1 point)
4 Geist Fafnir spin finish (1 point)
5 Geist Fafnir spin finish (1 point)
***Geist Fafnir wins every round, Drain got off balance and lost.
Geist Fafnir launched first
1 Geist Fafnir burst finish (2 points)
2 Drain Fafnir spin finish (1 point)
3 Drain Fafnir spin finish (1 point)
4 Drain Fafnir spin finish (1 point)
5 Drain Fafnir spin finish (1 point)
*** In the first battle, Drain used Absorb break, hit Geist and got self bursted. Other rounds, due to higher spin velocity, Drain managed to take the center, and Geist got off balance and lost.
Thoughts: Both combos have almost identical stamina, because of that, the one who got launched first won almost every time. Other than that, Geist Fafnir is better in every way.

Can you do Geist Fafnir 7Meteor Xtreme vs Bloody Longinus 0Bump Bearing.