Star Wars General Discussion
(Feb. 06, 2021 5:49 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:(Feb. 06, 2021 4:40 PM)Zeutron Wrote: Who do you think the most powerful being in canon Star Wars is? Personally I believe that it’s either ep 9 “all the Sith” Palpatine, the “ones” of Mortis or Mortis amped Anakin.
The daughter.
I don’t think it’s the daughter tbh. The Son was able to overpower the father who himself was more powerful than the daughter.
(Feb. 06, 2021 5:55 PM)DeltaZakuro Wrote:(Feb. 06, 2021 4:40 PM)Zeutron Wrote: Who do you think the most powerful being in canon Star Wars is? Personally I believe that it’s either ep 9 “all the Sith” Palpatine, the “ones” of Mortis or Mortis amped Anakin.
Probably the Son or The Father
I’m gonna give it to the father. When he fought the son he was wayyyy past his prime and the son was fuelled by Ashoka fighting Anakin and Obi wan so it was unfair. To be honest I think that the only thing stopping Palpatine from truly surpassing the canon Mortis gods is his lack of immortality.
Alright so recently I’ve been seeing a bit of debate over the most powerful use of force lightning. In canon, The son and Vader use red force lighting, a power available to only the strongest of dark side users. It was thought to be the most powerful until episode 9 where Palpatine unleashed a barrage of humongous destructive blue lighting capable of disabling the entire resistance fleet. So which one is more powerful? Personally I believe Sidious lightning is the most powerful and I’ll explain my reasoning for believing this.
Firstly I’ll give a brief explanation of red force lightning. The users of red force lightning have both an extremely strong connection to the dark side of the force and a stronger connection to their negative emotions as well. Because of this, the lightning they produce is red signifying the stronger dark side power and energy being produced by the user. It seems to only be available to the absolute strongest of dark side wielders (excluding ep 9 Palpatine) There are only two known users of red lightning; The son, a dark side god and Darth Vader, the chosen one born from the force.
Now in episode 9, Palpatine displays a ridiculously large and powerful amount of blue force lightning. He pretty much disabled the entire resistance by shooting this lightning into the atmosphere, he also used this lightning against Rey, and although she defeated him, she still died in the process despite the fact that she was aided by all the Jedi.
So just how is Palpatines lightning more powerful if it isn’t red? Well I have a theory on why that is. Now in the movie we know that Palpatine (seemingly) has accumulated the power of all the sith and he also absorbs power from the force dyad of Ben and Rey. My theory is that it’s an extremely large amount of Palpatines surplus power being blasted hence, why it is more powerful than red lightning. What I’m effectively trying to say is that the two types of lightning are powerful in different ways. Red lightning is more powerful in terms of dark side energy and connection but it is effectively a small amount of very intense power while Palpatines violent huge storms of blue lightning are a manifestation of a surplus of moderate power. It makes sense seeing as Palpatines lightning is much larger in mass and size and much more physically destructive with higher intensity despite its lower dark side energy.
What are your thoughts on this?
Firstly I’ll give a brief explanation of red force lightning. The users of red force lightning have both an extremely strong connection to the dark side of the force and a stronger connection to their negative emotions as well. Because of this, the lightning they produce is red signifying the stronger dark side power and energy being produced by the user. It seems to only be available to the absolute strongest of dark side wielders (excluding ep 9 Palpatine) There are only two known users of red lightning; The son, a dark side god and Darth Vader, the chosen one born from the force.
Now in episode 9, Palpatine displays a ridiculously large and powerful amount of blue force lightning. He pretty much disabled the entire resistance by shooting this lightning into the atmosphere, he also used this lightning against Rey, and although she defeated him, she still died in the process despite the fact that she was aided by all the Jedi.
So just how is Palpatines lightning more powerful if it isn’t red? Well I have a theory on why that is. Now in the movie we know that Palpatine (seemingly) has accumulated the power of all the sith and he also absorbs power from the force dyad of Ben and Rey. My theory is that it’s an extremely large amount of Palpatines surplus power being blasted hence, why it is more powerful than red lightning. What I’m effectively trying to say is that the two types of lightning are powerful in different ways. Red lightning is more powerful in terms of dark side energy and connection but it is effectively a small amount of very intense power while Palpatines violent huge storms of blue lightning are a manifestation of a surplus of moderate power. It makes sense seeing as Palpatines lightning is much larger in mass and size and much more physically destructive with higher intensity despite its lower dark side energy.
What are your thoughts on this?
Wonder where Supreme leader Snoke sits on power levels, we don’t really have much on him at all. He lost a battle to Luke Skywalker (apparently) but easily dismissed Rey and Kylo.
I was thinking how many force users would it take to take down Godzilla?
(Feb. 12, 2021 12:41 AM)Zeutron Wrote: Wonder where Supreme leader Snoke sits on power levels, we don’t really have much on him at all. He lost a battle to Luke Skywalker (apparently) but easily dismissed Rey and Kylo.
interesting. he did use force lightning on Kylo but tbh he didnt really demonstrate that much power in TLJ.
hi BROOO!!!
(Feb. 12, 2021 12:50 AM)DeltaZakuro Wrote:(Feb. 12, 2021 12:41 AM)Zeutron Wrote: Wonder where Supreme leader Snoke sits on power levels, we don’t really have much on him at all. He lost a battle to Luke Skywalker (apparently) but easily dismissed Rey and Kylo.
interesting. he did use force lightning on Kylo but tbh he didnt really demonstrate that much power in TLJ.
He seemed powerful in tlj being able to effortlessly destroy Rey with telekinesis but Rey was a half trained Jedi with barely any experience or prior training so it doesn’t say much. I think he’s high but not as high as people think.
(Feb. 12, 2021 1:06 AM)TheGolden Blade Wrote: hi BROOO!!!
Yeah don’t do that please. Star Wars thread remember lol?
I have the high ground.
Annakin: I dont care! -jumps-
Obiwan: What the-
-Annakin throws Obiwan in lava-
HAHAHAHA i have the high ground im the coolest
Annakin: I dont care! -jumps-
Obiwan: What the-
-Annakin throws Obiwan in lava-
HAHAHAHA i have the high ground im the coolest
(Feb. 12, 2021 1:16 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:(Feb. 12, 2021 12:49 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: I was thinking how many force users would it take to take down Godzilla?
Base form, strongest power up, any power up available for the specific area? Could you specify?
I would say comics (non-nuclear mode). Arena is a standard arena, no planet destroying.
(Feb. 12, 2021 2:26 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:(Feb. 12, 2021 1:16 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Base form, strongest power up, any power up available for the specific area? Could you specify?
I would say comics (non-nuclear mode). Arena is a standard arena, no planet destroying.
If there’s no planet destroying then it’s the canon comics which are pretty much the same power levels as the canon movies and tv shows. If it’s that case then probably the entire Jedi order. Godzilla’s skin is durable so most abilities would have to be amplified by multiple users working together.
(Feb. 12, 2021 2:33 AM)Zeutron Wrote:(Feb. 12, 2021 2:26 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: I would say comics (non-nuclear mode). Arena is a standard arena, no planet destroying.
If there’s no planet destroying then it’s the canon comics which are pretty much the same power levels as the canon movies and tv shows. If it’s that case then probably the entire Jedi order. Godzilla’s skin is durable so most abilities would have to be amplified by multiple users working together.
It’s worth mentioning that Godzilla killed all the Greek gods and defeated the equivalent of Satan.
(Feb. 12, 2021 2:38 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:(Feb. 12, 2021 2:33 AM)Zeutron Wrote: If there’s no planet destroying then it’s the canon comics which are pretty much the same power levels as the canon movies and tv shows. If it’s that case then probably the entire Jedi order. Godzilla’s skin is durable so most abilities would have to be amplified by multiple users working together.
It’s worth mentioning that Godzilla killed all the Greek gods and defeated the equivalent of Satan.
To be honest, I think that the force is definitely beyond the Greek gods in the bigger picture of things. The force is unlimited in general potential and has many out points and ways to be amplified while Greek gods are basically just superheroes before superheroes existed.
(Feb. 12, 2021 2:51 AM)Zeutron Wrote:(Feb. 12, 2021 2:38 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: It’s worth mentioning that Godzilla killed all the Greek gods and defeated the equivalent of Satan.
To be honest, I think that the force is definitely beyond the Greek gods in the bigger picture of things. The force is unlimited in general potential and has many out points and ways to be amplified while Greek gods are basically just superheroes before superheroes existed.
I''ll have to give the mantle of the strongest character to these characters (cuz I can't determine which is the strongest of them), Luke, Anakin, the Father, the daughter, Palpatine, and Dark Sidious.
(Feb. 12, 2021 3:14 AM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote:(Feb. 12, 2021 2:51 AM)Zeutron Wrote: To be honest, I think that the force is definitely beyond the Greek gods in the bigger picture of things. The force is unlimited in general potential and has many out points and ways to be amplified while Greek gods are basically just superheroes before superheroes existed.
I''ll have to give the mantle of the strongest character to these characters (cuz I can't determine which is the strongest of them), Luke, Anakin, the Father, the daughter, Palpatine, and Dark Sidious.
I’ve just about read all/most the major novels, comics etc so I can pretty much tell you right now that Anakin doesn’t make the cut and neither does Vader assuming this is a legends list. My top 10 ranking would go like this:
1: Abeloth
2: The Father
3: The Son
4: The Daughter
5: Grand Master Luke Skywalker
6: Yoda
7: Darth Sidious (peak power dark empire)
8: Emperor Valkorion
9: Darth Krayt
10: Cade Skywalker
A canon list would look like this:
1: Darth Sidious (ep 9 with all the Sith and force dyad amp)
2: The Son
3: The Father
4: The Daughter
5: Rey (force dyad and all the Jedi amp)
6: Luke Skywalker
7: Darth Vader
8: Bendu
9: Yoda
10: Darth Sidious (pre ep 9)
(Feb. 12, 2021 3:47 AM)Zeutron Wrote:(Feb. 12, 2021 3:14 AM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: I''ll have to give the mantle of the strongest character to these characters (cuz I can't determine which is the strongest of them), Luke, Anakin, the Father, the daughter, Palpatine, and Dark Sidious.
I’ve just about read all/most the major novels, comics etc so I can pretty much tell you right now that Anakin doesn’t make the cut and neither does Vader assuming this is a legends list. My top 10 ranking would go like this:
1: Abeloth
2: The Father
3: The Son
4: The Daughter
5: Grand Master Luke Skywalker
6: Yoda
7: Darth Sidious (peak power dark empire)
8: Emperor Valkorion
9: Darth Krayt
10: Cade Skywalker
A canon list would look like this:
1: Darth Sidious (ep 9 with all the Sith and force dyad amp)
2: The Son
3: The Father
4: The Daughter
5: Rey (force dyad and all the Jedi amp)
6: Luke Skywalker
7: Darth Vader
8: Bendu
9: Yoda
10: Darth Sidious (pre ep 9)
If Mortis Anakin is counted as a seperate character then yes, he does make this list. As a matter of fact he’s probably the most powerful character in legends knocking Cade off. In Canon he would be second to ep 9 Palpatine knocking pre ep 9 Sidious off.
There’s this pretty awesome animated dark empire fan series on YouTube, episode two released today.
According to Dave Filoni Vader was originally going to kill Maul before fighting Ashoka in twilight of the apprentice.