That's the point. The ban would be temporary, much like the one with Libra. Once the metagame catches up, it'd be re-introduced.

Shadow Scythe, apparently you participated in at least two London tournaments, one of which was reported to have been won with these combinations :
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Winning-...#pid666300

How come you did not get to the top then, if counters for Basalt are so obviously there and can be used ? Apparently tournaments in London are really infested with Basalt most of the time.

What did you lose against then ? And what were you using ?

Meh. Whatever. As long as it's not permanently banned.

---

Spoiler (Click to View)

I hate playing on Peaceful. Makes me feel like a wimp.

guys, it's just underwear relax

It is not any new information that Australian price setting is absolutely ridiculous and completely asinine, and that it has literally nothing to do with the exchange rate.

Back on topic, folks.

LOL

YES

I typed about four sentences but backspaced them all because I don't know what to say to your nonsense anymore. So:

Ugh.

Why do you keep picking on everyone?

Seems like I'm the one being picked on by Michael.

IT'S CUTE

It looks way cooler in person. Well, they both do.

Okay.

Just don't misspell my favourite word again

I did not misspell kengareoo.

Personally, when I hear "let it rip", I automatically think of flatulating.

Yes, the World Beyblade Organization allows real Beyblading

B2D160?

Is no gonna answer my question?

Just wondering, is the LED sight any good? Like, does it help at all? Because I have a hard time aiming...

Not really. Use it to blind your opponent, like Kei does.

im too lazy to post.

Everytime I read "Shabalabadoo", my brain processes it as "Scoobydoobeedoo".

This is a true fact btw.

lol I think everyone does. Th!nk has shortened his name to Scooby Snacks.

Shortened?

Hey guys, my beyblade recently broke and I'm having a hard time getting
over it. We won many battles and never gave up. But Midnight Striker would want
me to move on. My new Bey is Midnight Virgo. I am still using the fusion wheel, spin track and performance tip. Just the facebolt broke. If you wanna battle let me know. I love blading and hope you guys too!


R.I.P Midnight Striker

Does mybb allow a user's thread to be edited by someone else by their permission? It will be trouble, for example, we hosted a tournament, a lot of people joined, and their not online, they will miss a few registrations.

No.

You're a... cat?

Call it Steve.

That's ridiculous. Kai-V cannot be a robot, shes Canadian. Canadians ride polar bears, drink maple syrup and walk their pet beavers. Daegor42, Kei and Kai-V are all neighbors; they live in modest sized igloos.

Take out the word speculation and you get the value of that post.

Solution: Use any track but ED145, because ED145 is bad.

oh noes guyz i can type

Ryuga can eat my hearts out no me gusta Ryuga nada...

My friend's found a Flame Sagittario C145 S, with crayon all over it and a claw missing from C145.

must be Kenta's he like's crayons, and Poisen Serpent broke his claws...

You would put all of that on a placard ?

i quit beyblade screw this carp

Well it isn't going to be a small propulsion jet now is it

I have received my death

...

It's a plastic model. You really don't want me to answer that question. rofl

Hi Roan,

It seems that you've accidentally found yourself in a topic you're not at all interested in. Please click http://forums.beywiki.com to return to the forums index.

Thanks,

Tamer Brad
Beywiki.com Staff

Food tastes good.

Rapidity = stupidity

By the way, this is my first tournament so go easy on me.

no problem brahh

"You all want to see stealth battlers"?
Hm...

Basalt = Rock
Rock = Throw it, and it hits hard
Hammer = Throw it, and it hits hard
simple!

Everytime I read "Shabalabadoo", my brain processes it as "Scoobydoobeedoo".

This is a true fact btw.

lol I think everyone does. Th!nk has shortened his name to Scooby Snacks.

Shortened?

If I am not mistaken, it means that when one passes, each individual they pass goes "ahh".

Bey-Capult ClayAries85S vs MF-H DiabloBullGB145RDF on this see-saw stadium.

Dream come true...

I take terrible pictures of myself.
When I smile I look goofy.
When I just look at the camera, it looks like I'm about to rip your soul out.
It's a lose/lose situation.

@Shabalabadidityderpaloooooooooo
HOW
WHAT
WHERE DID YOU GET THAT PHOTO OF ME?!
NO ONE WAS EVER SUPPOSED TO SEE THAT...
>>
*runs away forever*

Clark Kent is a nerd.

I'm Batman.

Has Kai-V ever shown her face?

No, never. She tends to sleep in self-made holes. She relocates every week or so, hanging around wi-fi cafes with large hats and a mask. She lives off of tops of used ice-cream lids and rather obese street cats. Check National Geographic daily for her whereabouts.
What exactly do you mean though?

YEAHHHH BIG BANG

If you need a banner for your website, call me in.

We'll shine the batman symbol for you.

Dude, here in Australia normal starters are like 15$ and boosters for about 8$.

Australia is a fraud.

The same way we encorporate giant glowing animals coming out of our tops into real life.

Is Kei ever actually to be afraid of?

Oh yes. You should.
Be fortunate you don't live here, under that meek and gentle persona lies a horrible monster. Very horrible. I cannot even describe it, no human could. Imagine the fiery pits of Hell Kerbecs' special move, LDrago's menacing power and then that thing Haku (Inuyasha) turns into. Nothing can douse the anger and raw power which at one point, Kei's dwindling willpower will be forced to unleashed. I expect all of Canada to be engulfed in EMP when Kei's true form is finally released. That is the day the world cannot save itself. That day. The monster shall be awakened and mankind is most definitely doomed. No octopus or even a Kai-V would stop him.

Don't you ever talk about it again.










Ever.

So, the Japanese saw it too. It is 230WD. I have very good visual memory, I still remember Valentin's father's credit card number.

Yeah, guns really care if you can break a board with your pinky or whatever.

You do kung-fu at a real armed robber and you're the dead guy being pulled out of your house on the six o'clock news with the subtitle "Unfortunate Youth Does a Dumb Thing".

Torch Gil M145Q. I've never lost with it.

Personally, I prefer, "3-2-1 HEY DO YOU WANNA SEE MY NEW CHAINSAW AND HOCKEY MASK!!!!!"

RYUGA WITH A SHOTGUN

I NEVER EAT WITH UTENSILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!¡

You see, in the equation E=mc2, the main component is the E=some variant of C2, which is Lightspeed multiplied upon itself. This means that energy is equal to lightspeed. Also, you must take into account the M part, which is mass. Due to these two existing in the same equation to determine energy spent, you must assume the original Lightspeed to be infinity, due to the impossibility to reach it by c2. As a result, it forces E to equal infinity also if one were to reach lightspeed. Of course, it also means that Mass would be infinity also. This is impossible, as infinity is not a number, it is a concept. If infinite mass is reached outside of light and black holes, the matter's opposite, called anti-matter, would have no choice but to have negative mass, which would mean NEGATIVE INFINITY! This results in both ceasing to exist, as that would require a fixed position in time-space, which is impossible, due to the expansion of the Universe. This is part of the idea that all things are positioned in relative space to the observer, which is why my version of "A long way" is different than yours. Seeing as the observer would then be in a fixed position with light in this case, they would both cease to exist, leaving the anti-matter behind. This is impossible. Of course, this is a theory, so it's not proven 100% truth. Yet. Right now, it's accepted as truth by most scientific figures.

I may not have a tournament perspective to offer on this issue, but simply breaking it down and looking at it from the basic standpoint is this: Basalt has overthrown every other ring in the Defense and Stamina categories, completely homogenizing those two fields of play. Personally, I can't really see it as fun when everyone's using the exact same thing and being nigh unstoppable with it.

Any time, in any metagame of ANY sort, this kind of thing happens, the offender is usually banned or isolated to a specific tier or style of play. When one option of many becomes the only option at all, it's a problem. Especially when the only way to beat that option in any fashion is to get a nearly perfect launch on a highly specialized(and exceptionally underused) type.

I voted for banning it.

---

Some manner of Octopus.

Here we go! This is another post that personifies why Basalt needs to be banned in the first place. The issue is, people seem to think that counter combos let Basalt off of the hook. Back when they were the "thing", Basalt was overpowered. It still is. Let us compare this to Yu-Gi-Oh. Almost everyone agrees that Sangan needs to be banned, because it is simply too useful and simply breaks the game. Yeah, there are a few niche ways to kill it, namely in one's usual side deck, but that's not the point. People don't always fill their side deck just to stop Sangan. Basalt is the same. Not everyone knows how to use a counter, so banning Basalt is much better. Would I like to use Basalt in a tournament? Hell yes. Is it worth the metagame hitting the dirt? Nope. It's a stretch of a comparison, but it's the only thing I could come up with on a whim.

My Blitz Unicorno 85R2F has been ANNIHILATING Basalt Aquario BD145CS, however, it's having trouble KOing Bakushin Bull BD145CS.

Basalt is only a threat because everyone hears it is good. Against attack types, its own weight can be turned against it. It's so solid it has so much recoil. It needs breaks in the metal to absorb hits.

---

Spin Sonic your notion that everyone should train is rediculous since it's never gonna work.

Well, gee, seemed to work for him just fine since he won a tournament with a screw wheel against spammed Basalts and Scythes.

I do think its kinda sad that i have to buy basalt just to make sure i dont end up at a disadvantage because its so overpowered. Yeah there are combos that can beat it but at the same time statistics (im guessing) would be in favor of basalt. I just dont want to go to tournaments and see 20 people using nothing but basalt wheels. I feel like people are justifying its use just to throw and overpowered top into the game. Its not even a particularly interesting wheel to begin with, it doesnt make room for alot of strategy for those using the wheel. Its heavy, its round, its a tank, thats it. I sure people will debate this but look at the design, there is no defining feature to it. Its completely round.

---

buying-nib galeon and pink galeon

That's the issue here. If a tournament has 20 Earth Bull 145WDs, one is practically guaranteed to win top 3. In fact, one would likely place first due to sheer numbers. Same with Basalt. So many people use it, it'll dominate the metagame because so many use it.

On Deikailo's point, Spin-Sonic is Spin-Sonic. We should not have to ruin the game for others because a select few can beat something that not many of us can. A person with a great shot will be able to work those counters, but most of us can't, and you can't really say "That's your problem" and move on. It's not really fair. We put the work in too, it just doesn't always work out. Basalt is normally beaten by counters that really aren't used often, so saying that it is enough to keep it for now, that would be like saying that if an insane part were to be released, two or three counters would keep it from being banned. Essentially, this is what I hear: "If it can be beaten at all, even if it is only one combo that is nearly impossible to use, if the best of us can beat it, keep it, simply because it can be beaten. Also, if you cannot beat Basalt or use those counters, that's your fault, and there's nothing we can do for you. Even if it is about 75% of the community."

Spin Sonic your notion that everyone should train is rediculous since it's never gonna work.

Well, gee, seemed to work for him just fine since he won a tournament with a screw wheel against spammed Basalts and Scythes.


[/quote]

That wasn't what I meant by that at all...

---

That's the issue here. If a tournament has 20 Earth Bull 145WDs, one is practically guaranteed to win top 3. In fact, one would likely place first due to sheer numbers. Same with Basalt. So many people use it, it'll dominate the metagame because so many use it.

On Deikailo's point, Spin-Sonic is Spin-Sonic. We should not have to ruin the game for others because a select few can beat something that not many of us can. A person with a great shot will be able to work those counters, but most of us can't, and you can't really say "That's your problem" and move on. It's not really fair.

I agree, with some of these tournaments were dealing a small number participants and when you have a few of those people using overpowered parts your going to end up with a bunch of winners with the same top. I feel like basalt is taking away diversity in the game.

---

buying-nib galeon and pink galeon

It is, and that's where the "Ban Basalt" idea came from. You can't deviate from the norm any more. You either use Basalt, you use Scythe as a Stamina Wheel, you use a niche counter or Beat/Fang, or you lose.

We should not have to ruin the game for others because a select few can beat something that not many of us can. A person with a great shot will be able to work those counters, but most of us can't, and you can't really say "That's your problem" and move on. It's not really fair. We put the work in too, it just doesn't always work out. Basalt is normally beaten by counters that really aren't used often, so saying that it is enough to keep it for now, that would be like saying that if an insane part were to be released, two or three counters would keep it from being banned. Essentially, this is what I hear: "If it can be beaten at all, even if it is only one combo that is nearly impossible to use, if the best of us can beat it, keep it, simply because it can be beaten. Also, if you cannot beat Basalt or use those counters, that's your fault, and there's nothing we can do for you. Even if it is about 75% of the community."

Okay, so what you're saying is we should handicap the game because some people can't be bothered to take the time to discover creative combinations and/or master attack types? The point of playing competitively is to show who is the strongest blader. A strong blader would be in that 25%.

If it's 75% percentage of the community, then they should actually try to practice to win.

Fudge this,I change my mind,I'm just going to find another way Destroy Basalt.Even if it takes me to test every combo,I could make!

---

GT: KJ Dayo

We should not have to ruin the game for others because a select few can beat something that not many of us can. A person with a great shot will be able to work those counters, but most of us can't, and you can't really say "That's your problem" and move on. It's not really fair. We put the work in too, it just doesn't always work out. Basalt is normally beaten by counters that really aren't used often, so saying that it is enough to keep it for now, that would be like saying that if an insane part were to be released, two or three counters would keep it from being banned. Essentially, this is what I hear: "If it can be beaten at all, even if it is only one combo that is nearly impossible to use, if the best of us can beat it, keep it, simply because it can be beaten. Also, if you cannot beat Basalt or use those counters, that's your fault, and there's nothing we can do for you. Even if it is about 75% of the community."

Okay, so what you're saying is we should handicap the game because some people can't be bothered to take the time to discover creative combinations and/or master attack types? The point of playing competitively is to show who is the strongest blader. A strong blader would be in that 25%.

If it's 75% percentage of the community, then they should actually try to practice to win.

My point is we should never tip the scale for someone using a specific top. I can beat basalt im not worried about that but its no fun to battle three people in a row using the same thing.

---

buying-nib galeon and pink galeon

I don't see it as a handicap. I see it as allowing other combos to win. As of now, the metagame is "Beat Basalt or lose the tournament", and not many people here can. Because of that, people are more likely to use Basalt themselves to have the same success. I can say with fair certainty that once Twisted Tempo becomes widely available, there will be an insane increase in Basalt winning tournaments. As for saying that we shouldn't oblige to the 75% because it is a competitive atmosphere, I realize this, but why can't the game still be fun? When you have one combo that can win, and a bunch of tiny ones that topple it, that still requires vast knowledge and a near perfect launch, where is the fun? I mean, those combos won't beat much else, so there is no point in running them other than to beat Basalt. Regardless of such, Basalt is still undeniably the best single part in the metagame. It dominates tournaments, and you cannot move between types. It ruins the fun of the game. And let's face it. It's not fun to lose to the same combo over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Now that you brought that up,dang we have to ban Basalt,when twisted tempo comes,it would be a Basalt world.

---

GT: KJ Dayo

well me personally I wouldn't ban it because it was obviously made (by takara tomy) to compete, thats why all beyblades were made. of course just because I'm an older blader dosen't meen I'm the most experienced in tournaments. so I don't know, the more experienced and the committee know more than I do but you know every opinion count for somthing I guess

Misconception here. Takara Tomy made Basalt to be the best in defense, but they HAVE admitted mistakes before with Libra. The issue here is that Basalt is the best wheel hands-down, which was obviously not intended, I hope. Why would you intentionally make a game-breaking part?

No guys we can't ban this. Please, some of us rely on basalt... It's is my only good bey and I bet the same for alot other people. Yes I no it's dominates tournaments but something has to beable to beat it like at least wait for phantom Orion to come out and see how that against it. So hear me out people.... Just wait and see and do lots of testing. (:

---

Thanks to Callum6939, for my Signature

join my team! people wanted

Another reason.^ You don't need skill to win with a Basalt Combo. There's already been enough testing on it, and it is overpowered. But I don't care. It's just an Obstacle we have to overcome. We should take time to find a combo that can topple it. With a Stamina combo you don't need a lot of skill. Wouldn't it be better to have people learning how to counter it , instead of taking the easy way out?

---

"Abandon your fear. Look forward. Move forward and never stop. You'll age if you pull back. You'll die if you hesitate." -Zangetsu
My Goal: Defeat Bluezee.....And Kei.
Nanuet, NY
May 7, 2011
TOYWIZ Champion.
Beyblade Tournament
6/18/11
TOYWIZ Champion.

No guys we can't ban this. Please, some of us rely on basalt... It's is my only good bey and I bet the same for alot other people. Yes I no it's dominates tournaments but something has to beable to beat it like at least wait for phantom Orion to come out and see how that against it. So hear me out people.... Just wait and see and do lots of testing. (:

Instead of relying on whaty part that breaks the metagame practise and get other parts. We are not waiting a month and a half for when Phantom Orion is released. Honestly your reasoning is very selfish.

---

Its like a challege for attack type bladers. I really dont think they should ban it.

---

|Instagram|deviantART|Music Album|Youtube|RPG Game|Story (Discontinued)|Sprites
TUMBLR

/r/YoutubeLetsPlay

Another reason.^ You don't need skill to win with a Basalt Combo. There's already been enough testing on it, and it is overpowered. But I don't care. What I used to see is Basalt is just in Obstacle that Attack type bladers will have to overcome. But I'm on Temporals side. Ban it. It kills the Fun.

So you don't care that it's overpowered but you still want it banned? Contradicting much? No one bloody uses attack types in tourneys.

---

I don't see it as a handicap. I see it as allowing other combos to win. As of now, the metagame is "Beat Basalt or lose the tournament", and not many people here can. Because of that, people are more likely to use Basalt themselves to have the same success. I can say with fair certainty that once Twisted Tempo becomes widely available, there will be an insane increase in Basalt winning tournaments. As for saying that we shouldn't oblige to the 75% because it is a competitive atmosphere, I realize this, but why can't the game still be fun? When you have one combo that can win, and a bunch of tiny ones that topple it, that still requires vast knowledge and a near perfect launch, where is the fun?

This whole post implies EXACTLY what the issue is here. Yu, and others tht are complaining want/need a handicap becuse you cant perform and/or dont hve the skll to beat Basalt. That is your issue. Deikailo posted great points! If you knew bettr, yu wuld do better. Beyblade is not ment to tend to the needs of those who cnt do something tht isnt all tht hrd in the first place. Stop crying and train. If all yu look for is fun with no cmpetetion, free play. Otherwise, get out.

---

Karice is my name. Remember it when I defeat you.
Team: Spiral Bladers (Customizer)

thank you temporal for pointing out my mistake in my last post on this issue but I agree with tazz that some bladers have to rely on basalt. And plus speeking from experience I've beaten basalt with a combo I made, so that proves that its not unbeatable, and I've also seen many tournaments where people with basalt loose and don't even make it to the semi-finals, but again this a decision to be made by the committee.