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[STD/LTD] HF/S potential use as a Tornado Staller

Dec. 23, 2014  10:18 PM
 
While Metal Flat is usually the go-to tip for Tornado Stallers, a lot of people recommend HF, HF/S, F, WF, XF, GF, GCF, or CF in Build me a Combo if the person does not have MF. Out of all of these, HF/S is the most similar to MF, because it is the only other "tall" tip of that group, and they have similar movement patterns. So I just wanted to see how HF/S stacks up against MF. In all of these tests the B:D is a 7-minute variation and HF/S is in HF mode. Even though all of these tests are in Standard, they're almost certainly applicable in Limited as well since Limited is more or less a scaled-down version of Standard.

Solo spin times

MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85MF (Click to View)

MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85HF/S (Click to View)

Standard (Click to View)

Limited (Click to View)


So from what I have so far, it looks like HF/S is a decent replacement for MF when used in Tornado Stallers. It seems to have more power (and recoil) than MF while having slightly less stalling capability. When Tornado Stalling, I didn't have any problem keeping both inside the Tornado Ridge, but when I used the Sliding Shoot, HF/S didn't seem to catch it as well as MF after taking recoil damage.
Dec. 23, 2014  11:45 PM
 
really interesting! good test! I might be able to make my own testing with HF/S. you finaly may be find a use for HF/S hah!
Dec. 24, 2014  1:28 AM
 
The results pretty similar, in my opinion. Definitely add some more testings later on; those four don't really show much of a difference between the two; maybe other ones will.

Definitely interesting thread, though, Wombat, it's definitely something to be looked into furthermore. Nice job! Smile
Dec. 24, 2014  3:07 AM
 
No joke, I was literally thinking about this two days ago (I was actually considering possible subs for MF on MF-F Libra TH170MF; I figured S would give Libra a second option against mid-height Stamina customs, assuming it could handle the recoil, but I ended up going with MF anyway). What a coincidence, haha.

These tests are great! Looks like its stall time is a bit behind; how much worse was its recoil handling?
Dec. 24, 2014  3:28 AM
 
(Dec. 24, 2014  3:07 AM)TheBlackDragon Wrote: No joke, I was literally thinking about this two days ago (I was actually considering possible subs for MF on MF-F Libra TH170MF; I figured S would give Libra a second option against mid-height Stamina customs, assuming it could handle the recoil, but I ended up going with MF anyway). What a coincidence, haha.

These tests are great! Looks like its stall time is a bit behind; how much worse was its recoil handling?

Yeah, I've been thinking about making this for a while, but your thread finally got me to do something about it. So not really that much of a coincidence. I don't think Libra TH170 on a extra-tall S would do too well, since it's stationary, has a recoily underside, and balance issues, but HF mode could work.

The recoil control was noticeably worse, but then again HF/S hit noticeably harder. MF would make contact, bounce back, and catch the Tornado Ridge, HF/S would make contact and launch the opponent farther, but skip the Tornado Ridge when it bounced back. Putting MF-H on it to handle recoil won't work though because that'll just kill its stall time.

EDIT: Added Limited tests to the OP.
Jul. 29, 2015  9:38 AM
 
What about a MF-L or MF-M because those have way less weight and yet still add a weight element to the beys. MF(The tip) is easily knocked out because of little friction. HF/S, however, is a good tip when used with a stable metal wheel and a tall track and balanced clear wheel.
Jul. 29, 2015  4:01 PM
 
Oh hey, I forgot I made this thread.

(Jul. 29, 2015  9:38 AM)Ackar2834 Wrote: What about a MF-L or MF-M because those have way less weight and yet still add a weight element to the beys. MF(The tip) is easily knocked out because of little friction. HF/S, however, is a good tip when used with a stable metal wheel and a tall track and balanced clear wheel.

Out of habit, I almost always used MF-L on my Stamina types, as you can see in the tests in the OP. Most people say that Stamina is better off not using any sort of Metal Face (unless it's MF-F which isn't actually metal) but I still use MF-L because the metal is on the outside for more outward weight distribution (given the Face is still in the middle of the Beyblade this is probably just a baseless assumption but it's common enough/makes so little a difference that no one really questions it). As far as I know MF-M should really not be used under any circumstances (unless you're in a rush/too lazy to take apart your combos in between battles, only have 1 set of MF2, and the MF-L is already on a previously combo).

Metal Flat is easier to KO than RF variants because of less friction, but it's more difficult to KO than HF/S because of it's shape. MF has an almost (if not actually) 90 degree angle between the flat bottom of the tip and the sides, and that catches the Tornado Ridge much more effectively than HF/S' more obtuse angle. The friction between the two is debatable, but I think MF has slightly more friction due to being solid (more surface area) and metal rather than hollow and plastic.

However, from what I noticed before HF/S hits harder than MF. Maybe it could be used in a more offensively based Hybrid Attack custom (like Aquario 85HF/S) rather than on just a Burn Staller.
Mar. 12, 2016  8:56 PM
 
i just tested MF. it's just as good as MF but with some advantages and disadvantages.

From My Observation (Click to View)
Overall (Click to View)
though i didn't had time to do any formal test but i will try to do next week.

edit:- i'm free on 16th so will do test for sure Joyful_3
Mar. 16, 2016  6:36 AM
 
So I received a Takara Tomy HF/S from Wind Aquario 100HF/S a while back, and noticed that the tip looked a bit different than the Hasbro one I got from Storm Aquario 100HF/S. I don't own a high precision enough camera to get a good close up picture of it, but you can kinda see the difference here:
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The Takara Tomy HF/S seems to have a sharper, 90 degree angle on the HF tip while Hasbro's is a bit more rounded, like a SF Tip. It is a subtle difference, almost like a similar F230 mold difference Angry Face found where some shafts have a more rounded angle and others have a sharp 90 degree angle as seen in this post. It makes a noticeable difference in performance though; my TT version will catch the Tornado Ridge much better and skip a lot less frequently, which allow for a higher top speed while stalling. Much better recoil control than the Hasbro HF/S also.

I'm not sure if this would qualify as an actual mold difference or if it's just natural variation between parts. Could anyone else with both a Hasbro and TT HF/S compare the two and see if there is a difference in yours too?


(Mar. 12, 2016  8:56 PM)FIREFIRE Wrote: i used a Balro Balro BD145HF/S to test:-

From My Observation (Click to View)
HF/S mode also works good on LTSC but i think on Phanotm Cygnus 85 CF and GCF will work better due to LAD

I did a few tests with MSF-L Balro Balro BD145 MF & HF/S and compared the two.

As for these observations, most of them lined up with what I observed as well, with HF/S being a lot more dynamic than MF (more attack power, but slightly higher recoil). I don't think the rattling/vibrating is necessarily due to the hole, but just due to the wider surface area. I think XF, GCF, and GF vibrate a lot at low RPM too (which along with the wider surface area makes them better for Spin Equalizers). Can't really comment on the acceleration or durability, but HF/S was noticeably faster than MF (again, wider surface area). I had to bank pretty deep for both MF and HF/S for either to keep the flower pattern, which did result in some scraping for both tips (though I'm tempted to say moreso for HF/S). I didn't try it against Attack but the chance you'll run into a short Attack type in Standard is pretty low (unless your opponent happens to be named Cake), so I wouldn't worry about it too much. As for LTSC, if your opponent is using Duo LTSC actually switch to S mode and you should grind it to death with your disk similarly to how E230 works. MF and HF are mostly unable to KO or OS Duo W105EWD from the informal testing I did while S beats it consistently. For Dragooon LTSC push the disk down to expose Balro's contact points and Sliding Shoot.

Vs. Genbull Genbull E230MB (Click to View)

Vs. Genbull Genbull TH170CS (Click to View)

Vs. Killerken Dragooon B:D (Click to View)

EDIT: Oh wait Angry's off doing school stuff I guess I gotta go dig up that picture on my own. darn
EDIT 2: Added the link to the post. Thanks a bunch Angry
Mar. 23, 2016  4:31 AM
 
some interesting results! I see HF/S HF mode still usefull in standard and limited and the S mode is more used in Zero-G stadium... its nice to see an old part finaly usefull