Dec. 23, 2014 10:18 PM
While Metal Flat is usually the go-to tip for Tornado Stallers, a lot of people recommend HF, HF/S, F, WF, XF, GF, GCF, or CF in Build me a Combo if the person does not have MF. Out of all of these, HF/S is the most similar to MF, because it is the only other "tall" tip of that group, and they have similar movement patterns. So I just wanted to see how HF/S stacks up against MF. In all of these tests the B:D is a 7-minute variation and HF/S is in HF mode. Even though all of these tests are in Standard, they're almost certainly applicable in Limited as well since Limited is more or less a scaled-down version of Standard.
Solo spin times
Tornado Stalling vs.
MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85MF vs. MF-L Killerken Dragooon B:D
Cancer: 7 wins (all OS)
Dragooon: 13 wins (all OS)
4 ties redone
Cancer win rate: 35%
MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85HF/S vs. MF-L Killerken Dragooon B:D
Cancer: 5 wins (all OS)
Dragooon: 15 wins (all OS)
3 ties redone
Cancer win rate: 25%
Notes: MF got a lot of lucky underside hits once the two actually made contact. HF/S tended to stay upright more near the end of the battle, probably because it is a little wider in diameter than MF.
Sliding Shoot vs.
MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85MF vs. MF-L Killerken Dragooon B:D
Cancer: 3 wins (1 KO, 2 OS)
Dragooon: 17 wins (2 KO, 15 OS)
3 ties redone
Cancer win rate: 15%
MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85HF/S vs. MF-L Killerken Dragooon B:D
Cancer: 9 wins (5 KO, 4 OS)
Dragooon: 11 wins (4 KO, 7 OS)
2 ties redone
Cancer win rate: 35%
Notes:HF/S was a lot more dynamic than MF. It hit harder but couldn't take the recoil as well; its two ties were double knockouts. Also, my Sliding Shoot was a bit off today, I couldn't get Phantom to keep the flower pattern for more than 3 or 4 hits before it started stalling.
Tornado Stalling vs.
MF-L Burn Cancer 85MF vs. Earth Cancer W145WD
Burn: 7 wins (all OS)
Earth: 13 wins (all OS)
1 ties redone
Burn win rate: 35%
MF-L Burn Cancer 85HF/S vs. Earth Cancer W145WD
Burn: 6 wins (all OS)
Earth: 14 wins (all OS)
Burn win rate: 30%
Sliding Shoot vs.
MF-L Burn Cancer 85MF vs. Earth Cancer W145WD
Burn: 10 wins (3 KO, 7 OS)
Earth: 10 wins (1 KO, 9 OS)
Burn win rate: 50%
MF-L Burn Cancer 85HF/S vs. Earth Cancer W145WD
Burn: 8 wins (5 KO, 3 OS)
Earth: 12 wins (3 KO, 9 OS)
Burn win rate: 40%
So from what I have so far, it looks like HF/S is a decent replacement for MF when used in Tornado Stallers. It seems to have more power (and recoil) than MF while having slightly less stalling capability. When Tornado Stalling, I didn't have any problem keeping both inside the Tornado Ridge, but when I used the Sliding Shoot, HF/S didn't seem to catch it as well as MF after taking recoil damage.
Solo spin times
MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85MF (Click to View)
- 2:47.08
- 2:33.45
- 2:52.00
- 2:38.75
- 2:42.29
MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85HF/S (Click to View)
- 2:25.90
- 2:31.38
- 2:29.86
- 2:15.18
- 2:34.72
Standard (Click to View)
Tornado Stalling vs.
Spoiler (Click to View)
MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85MF vs. MF-L Killerken Dragooon B:D
Cancer: 7 wins (all OS)
Dragooon: 13 wins (all OS)
4 ties redone
Cancer win rate: 35%
MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85HF/S vs. MF-L Killerken Dragooon B:D
Cancer: 5 wins (all OS)
Dragooon: 15 wins (all OS)
3 ties redone
Cancer win rate: 25%
Notes: MF got a lot of lucky underside hits once the two actually made contact. HF/S tended to stay upright more near the end of the battle, probably because it is a little wider in diameter than MF.
Sliding Shoot vs.
Spoiler (Click to View)
MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85MF vs. MF-L Killerken Dragooon B:D
Cancer: 3 wins (1 KO, 2 OS)
Dragooon: 17 wins (2 KO, 15 OS)
3 ties redone
Cancer win rate: 15%
MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cancer 85HF/S vs. MF-L Killerken Dragooon B:D
Cancer: 9 wins (5 KO, 4 OS)
Dragooon: 11 wins (4 KO, 7 OS)
2 ties redone
Cancer win rate: 35%
Notes:HF/S was a lot more dynamic than MF. It hit harder but couldn't take the recoil as well; its two ties were double knockouts. Also, my Sliding Shoot was a bit off today, I couldn't get Phantom to keep the flower pattern for more than 3 or 4 hits before it started stalling.
Limited (Click to View)
Tornado Stalling vs.
Spoiler (Click to View)
MF-L Burn Cancer 85MF vs. Earth Cancer W145WD
Burn: 7 wins (all OS)
Earth: 13 wins (all OS)
1 ties redone
Burn win rate: 35%
MF-L Burn Cancer 85HF/S vs. Earth Cancer W145WD
Burn: 6 wins (all OS)
Earth: 14 wins (all OS)
Burn win rate: 30%
Sliding Shoot vs.
Spoiler (Click to View)
MF-L Burn Cancer 85MF vs. Earth Cancer W145WD
Burn: 10 wins (3 KO, 7 OS)
Earth: 10 wins (1 KO, 9 OS)
Burn win rate: 50%
MF-L Burn Cancer 85HF/S vs. Earth Cancer W145WD
Burn: 8 wins (5 KO, 3 OS)
Earth: 12 wins (3 KO, 9 OS)
Burn win rate: 40%
So from what I have so far, it looks like HF/S is a decent replacement for MF when used in Tornado Stallers. It seems to have more power (and recoil) than MF while having slightly less stalling capability. When Tornado Stalling, I didn't have any problem keeping both inside the Tornado Ridge, but when I used the Sliding Shoot, HF/S didn't seem to catch it as well as MF after taking recoil damage.