So I received a Takara Tomy HF/S from Wind Aquario 100HF/S a while back, and noticed that the tip looked a bit different than the Hasbro one I got from Storm Aquario 100HF/S. I don't own a high precision enough camera to get a good close up picture of it, but you can kinda see the difference here:
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The Takara Tomy HF/S seems to have a sharper, 90 degree angle on the HF tip while Hasbro's is a bit more rounded, like a SF Tip. It is a subtle difference, almost like a similar F230 mold difference
Angry Face found where some shafts have a more rounded angle and others have a sharp 90 degree angle as seen
in this post. It makes a noticeable difference in performance though; my TT version will catch the Tornado Ridge much better and skip a lot less frequently, which allow for a higher top speed while stalling. Much better recoil control than the Hasbro HF/S also.
I'm not sure if this would qualify as an actual mold difference or if it's just natural variation between parts. Could anyone else with both a Hasbro and TT HF/S compare the two and see if there is a difference in yours too?
(Mar. 12, 2016 8:56 PM)FIREFIRE Wrote: i used a Balro Balro BD145HF/S to test:-
1:- HF/S has simular Stamina/Stall Time as MF but due to higher Recoil, it got some OS from CS based defenders [and things it can't KO]
2:- Due to higer recoil. it has better attack power and can KO duo defenders better then MF
3:- due to hole in HF/S it rattles/vibrate [dunno what it's called] when in middle of stadium at extremely low rpm. while MF stable. i think that is one of reason MF has better stamina
4:- i noticed MF has faster acceleration then HF/S but still i got more KO against Dragoon F230 when Balro launched first [dunno reason really]
5:- HF/S seems more durable then MF due to last time my MF got Dent due to falling on floor [KO] but my HF/S was just fine
6:- with HF/S i can bank deper and BD145 won't scrap at all [which is issue i had with MF]
7:- with HF/S short attack types come in contact more with BD145 so make harder to KO Balro
8:- but it also make t harder to KO LTSC
9:- HF/S had trouble keeping flower patten
10:- idk it's only with me but my HF/S stalled faster
HF/S mode also works good on LTSC but i think on Phanotm Cygnus 85 CF and GCF will work better due to LAD
I did a few tests with MSF-L Balro Balro BD145 MF & HF/S and compared the two.
As for these observations, most of them lined up with what I observed as well, with HF/S being a lot more dynamic than MF (more attack power, but slightly higher recoil). I don't think the rattling/vibrating is necessarily due to the hole, but just due to the wider surface area. I think XF, GCF, and GF vibrate a lot at low RPM too (which along with the wider surface area makes them better for Spin Equalizers). Can't really comment on the acceleration or durability, but HF/S was noticeably faster than MF (again, wider surface area). I had to bank pretty deep for both MF and HF/S for either to keep the flower pattern, which did result in some scraping for both tips (though I'm tempted to say moreso for HF/S). I didn't try it against Attack but the chance you'll run into a short Attack type in Standard is pretty low (unless your opponent happens to be named Cake), so I wouldn't worry about it too much. As for LTSC, if your opponent is using Duo LTSC actually switch to S mode and you should grind it to death with your disk similarly to how E230 works. MF and HF are mostly unable to KO or OS Duo W105EWD from the informal testing I did while S beats it consistently. For Dragooon LTSC push the disk down to expose Balro's contact points and Sliding Shoot.
MSF-L Balro Balro BD145MF vs Genbull Genbull E230 (Boost) MB
Balro: 12 wins (8 KO, 4 OS)
Genbull: 8 wins (3 KO, 5 OS)
1 Tie redone
Balro win rate: 60%
MSF-L Balro Balro BD145HF/S vs Genbull Genbull E230 (Boost) MB
Balro: 14 wins (9 KO, 5 OS)
Genbull: 8 wins (1 KO, 6 OS)
2 Tie redone
Balro win rate: 70%
Strangely, most of Balro's KOs came from the Tornado Stall rather than the Sliding Shoot. I had to launch Genbull at full power to keep from being outspun, but that made MB aggressive enough to put it directly in the path of Balro. Meanwhile MB's semi-erratic movement allowed it to dodge the Sliding Shoot with some consistency. I tried S mode on HF/S 3 times to see if that would overcompensate for the Sliding Shoot misses with HF and it wasn't as effective: the first round Balro got an early KO, and the other two it got ground to death against E230. So the Mode Change of HF/S doesn't have much of an impact here.
MSF-L Balro Balro BD145MF vs. Genbull Genbull TH220CS
Balro: 9 wins (6 KO, 3 OS)
Genbull: 11 wins (6 KO, 5 OS)
Balro win rate: 45%
MSF-L Balro Balro BD145HF/S vs. Genbull Genbull TH220CS
Balro: 10 wins (4 KO, 6 OS)
Genbull: 10 wins (4 KO, 6 OS)
Balro win rate: 50%
For the most part CS did a better job of staying in the Stadium than MB. Again, there wasn't much of a difference between HF and MF, and the one round I tried S it failed miserably.
MSF-L Balro Balro BD145MF vs. Killerken Dragooon B:D
Balro: 10 wins 1.(1 KO), 2.(5 OS), 3.(4 KO)
Dragooon: 10 wins 1.(4 OS), 3.(1 OS), 4.(5 OS)
Balro win rate: 50%
MSF-L Balro Balro BD145HF/S vs. Killerken Dragooon B:D
Balro: 12 wins 1.(1 KO), 2.(5 OS), 3.(3 KO, 1 OS), 6.(2 KO)
Dragooon: 18 wins 1.(4 OS), 3.(1 KO), 4.(5 OS), 5.(5 OS), 6.(3 OS)
1 tie redone
Balro win rate: 40%
Explanation for the formatting: There are 4 ways these Beyblades could end up interacting depending on the behaviors of their owners (6 if HF/S is used).
- Balro user Sliding Shoots, Dragooon user Sliding Shoots and Weak Launches
- Balro user Tornado Stalls, Dragooon user Sliding Shoots & Weak Launches
- Balro user Sliding Shoots, Dragooon user launches full strength
- Balro user Tornado Stalls, Dragooon user launches full strength
- Balro user uses S Mode, Dragooon user Sliding Shoots and Weak Launches
- Balro user uses S Mode, Dragooon user launches full strength
The number listed before the parenthesis indicates which scenario I tested, but I only did 5 rounds for each.
EDIT: Oh wait Angry's off doing school stuff I guess I gotta go dig up that picture on my own. darn
EDIT 2: Added the link to the post. Thanks a bunch Angry