Here’s my favorite part about protagonist:

Tyson:
I like how they gave Tyson proper character growth without throwing away what made his character good in the first place.

Gingka:
He easily is the protagonist with the best battles imo. His power growth tying in with his character growth is also pretty neat.

Valt:
His transformation over the course of the Generation was great. I love how he naturally matured over time.

I’m just change topic so who’s the best out of these 3:
Tyson
Ginga
Valt
Let’s just stop talking about this stupid Valt vs Lui discussion

Who's the best rival character?
Kai
Kyoya
Shu

In terms of writing i'd say:

1. Shu 
2. Kai
3. Kyoya

sorry but red eye arc was too peak

Who's the best rival character?
Kai
Kyoya
Shu

In terms of writing i'd say:

1. Shu 
2. Kai
3. Kyoya

sorry but red eye arc was too peak

True. Shu is the only rival character who didn't annoy me at all. Kai and Kyoya annoyed the heck out of me with their "lone wolf" attitude.

In terms of writing i'd say:

1. Shu 
2. Kai
3. Kyoya

sorry but red eye arc was too peak

True. Shu is the only rival character who didn't annoy me at all. Kai and Kyoya annoyed the heck out of me with their "lone wolf" attitude.

burst does their characters so much better. that's why it's the best beyblade series of all time. so far....

Also, does anyone think that Chris was an idiot in the 4D/Metal Fury season? Him being like "I don't care what my employer's motive is" when the world was in danger seemed stupid to me. If the world is destroyed or shrouded in darkness, I don't think there will be any more people who will hire you, Chris. As a matter of fact, the whole "blader for hire" stuff seemed corny in my opinion. I liked the manga version of Chris where he was part of the USA army.

Also, does anyone think that Chris was an idiot in the 4D/Metal Fury season? Him being like "I don't care what my employer's motive is" when the world was in danger seemed stupid to me. If the world is destroyed or shrouded in darkness, I don't think there will be any more people who will hire you, Chris. As a matter of fact, the whole "blader for hire" stuff seemed corny in my opinion. I liked the manga version of Chris where he was part of the USA army.

Chris' redemption/development in the anime was super rushed imo. Wish they introduced all of the Legendary Blader's in the first episode then as the season goes on we see all of their point of views.

Chris did say "why did I ever try to revive this monster" referring to Nemesis.

Also, does anyone think that Chris was an idiot in the 4D/Metal Fury season? Him being like "I don't care what my employer's motive is" when the world was in danger seemed stupid to me. If the world is destroyed or shrouded in darkness, I don't think there will be any more people who will hire you, Chris. As a matter of fact, the whole "blader for hire" stuff seemed corny in my opinion. I liked the manga version of Chris where he was part of the USA army.

Chris' redemption/development in the anime was super rushed imo. Wish they introduced all of the Legendary Blader's in the first episode then as the season goes on we see all of their point of views.

Chris did say "why did I ever try to revive this monster" referring to Nemesis.

Couldn't be Masamune lol.

Does anyone hate it when people do those weird burst shippings (free and kris vibes) 😓…

Does anyone hate it when people do those weird burst shippings (free and kris vibes) 😓…

I saw a fanart of Nika and Toko, it was horrible.

Does anyone hate it when people do those weird burst shippings (free and kris vibes) 😓…

I saw a fanart of Nika and Toko, it was horrible.

Please tell me you are joking…

Kai had a a very generic edgy character archetype, but it was used absolutely perfectly.

Kyoya didn’t have any ground breaking development, however he was always a very likable character.

Shu had an amazing arc, but afterwards fell out of relevancy for 4 whole seasons (not including Sparking).

As far as Burst goes, I like it, but I think it’s the worst Gen for side characters. The only ones that are consistently relevant are the Legends. This may be a bit harsh, but every other character not only has super rushed development, but is almost always forgotten for at least half of their season. Burst’s side characters as noticeably had less of an impact than the ones in previous Generations imo.

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Kai had a a very generic edgy character archetype, but it was used absolutely perfectly.

Kyoya didn’t have any ground breaking development, however he was always a very likable character.

Shu had an amazing arc, but afterwards fell out of relevancy for 4 whole seasons (not including Sparking).

As far as Burst goes, I like it, but I think it’s the worst Gen for side characters. The only ones that are consistently relevant are the Legends. This may be a bit harsh, but every other character not only has super rushed development, but is almost always forgotten for at least half of their season. Burst’s side characters as noticeably had less of an impact than the ones in previous Generations imo.

Shu was hella relevant in Turbo. And I disagree with the side character statement. I personally think Burst did their side characters better than the last 2 series combined.

Nah the last series did their side character plus girls bladers better. Look at zac he was top 4 s1 after that gone, and remenber zeus had in evo during god but nada and before someone pull the while he retired excuse well he unretired himself after like 2 or 3 episode later so no excuse their, others like quon, ben, ibuki, even ken (it took 5 season to. Finally get him in a hasbro exclusive season) , Daina (who had a sparking bey but nowhere be found), lets not forget Kurtz or Heartz both former World champ but never mention to what happen long term. With the og or Metal saga they actually brought then most back and show you how strong the got. I'll give one of the best example Benkai even though he was never going to be stronger than the main players we still saw how strong he got for his level we saw other characters that was in s1 they show that they still exist both Yu and Tsubasa was their for all 3 season despite not being main after season s1 and where still top class class bladers, same with masamune in s3 who became side characters was done good, even Madoka who wasnt even a blader was treated good . Unlike burst which is horrible with not only side character thats not the kiyamas but with also with female  cast. Their main focus was really the big boys which the did then good the only side that got really devolpment was the kiyamas and Amane, Basara who where all closely tag with they Main charcaters. Burst got nothing on both Mfb or OG with the side character department

I will admit Shu had one major role in Chozetsu, but not for the entirety of the series. As far as I remember the only major thing he did was get Aiga back on his feet, besides fighting a few times.

Nah the last series did their side character plus girls bladers better. Look at zac he was top 4 s1 after that gone, and remenber zeus had in evo during god but nada and before someone pull the while he retired excuse well he unretired himself after like 2 or 3 episode later so no excuse their, others like quon, ben, ibuki, even ken (it took 5 season to. Finally get him in a hasbro exclusive season) , Daina (who had a sparking bey but nowhere be found), lets not forget Kurtz or Heartz both former World champ but never mention to what happen long term. With the og or Metal saga they actually brought then most back and show you how strong the got. I'll give one of the best example Benkai even though he was never going to be stronger than the main players we still saw how strong he got for his level we saw other characters that was in s1 they show that they still exist both Yu and Tsubasa was their for all 3 season despite not being main after season s1 and where still top class class bladers, same with masamune in s3 who became side characters was done good, even Madoka who wasnt even a blader was treated good . Unlike burst which is horrible with not only side character thats not the kiyamas but with also with female  cast. Their main focus was really the big boys which the did then good the only side that got really devolpment was the kiyamas and Amane, Basara who where all closely tag with they Main charcaters. Burst got nothing on both Mfb or OG with the side character department

What are you even talking about. We legit see most of the S1 side characters cameo in S2. And if you must know if you aren't going to use a side character for even a minor role then that character shouldn't have any influence in the story at all other than maybe a cameo. Just saves time for the story and focuses on other more important factors. Plus side characters have closure being the reason we never really see them again, ex. Hearts, Lodin. We see Kurtz in the Sparking manga and Hearts in the anime had closure with his brother. Also people like Zac and Daigo come back in the manga so your point? Metal brings side characters back but does absolutely nothing with them. And even the characters they bring back either have a rushed development or and underutilized. Also I think you're at a misconception about a supporting character and a side characters. Almost all the examples you given like Yu, Madoka, and Tsubasa are wrong. They aren't side character's but they are part of the main cast so are you surprised they came back? Benkei is also part of the main cast. Also you say Benkei got stronger when in Fury he literally got dogged by everyone other than the generic bladers. Blind from GT lost all his battles but he only fought Delta and Dante and put up a fight against them which is valid. I personally don't really care much for the female cast stuff even though we get people like Nika and Kristina back after their debuting seasons. Kiyamas, Amane, and Basara is the surface lol. Lui got development. Boa got development. Fubuki got development. Fumiya got development. I can go on really. I'm not even going to say much about OG since I forgot a lot but I know Metal enough to say something. Your inclined to believe what you say but this is just a rebuttal because I fairly don't agree.

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I will admit Shu had one major role in Chozetsu, but not for the entirety of the series. As far as I remember the only major thing he did was get Aiga back on his feet, besides fighting a few times.

He did 4 major things:

1. Get Aiga back on his feet.
2. Train Fubuki to get stronger. 
3. Put an end to Phi's reign of terror.
4. Help Aiga prepare to defeat Phi. 

I wouldn't say he's a full on main character but he's definitely a main supporting cast member which is relevant enough.

I saw a fanart of Nika and Toko, it was horrible.

Please tell me you are joking…

I wish I was, mate. I wish I was.

Nah the last series did their side character plus girls bladers better. Look at zac he was top 4 s1 after that gone, and remenber zeus had in evo during god but nada and before someone pull the while he retired excuse well he unretired himself after like 2 or 3 episode later so no excuse their, others like quon, ben, ibuki, even ken (it took 5 season to. Finally get him in a hasbro exclusive season) , Daina (who had a sparking bey but nowhere be found), lets not forget Kurtz or Heartz both former World champ but never mention to what happen long term. With the og or Metal saga they actually brought then most back and show you how strong the got. I'll give one of the best example Benkai even though he was never going to be stronger than the main players we still saw how strong he got for his level we saw other characters that was in s1 they show that they still exist both Yu and Tsubasa was their for all 3 season despite not being main after season s1 and where still top class class bladers, same with masamune in s3 who became side characters was done good, even Madoka who wasnt even a blader was treated good . Unlike burst which is horrible with not only side character thats not the kiyamas but with also with female  cast. Their main focus was really the big boys which the did then good the only side that got really devolpment was the kiyamas and Amane, Basara who where all closely tag with they Main charcaters. Burst got nothing on both Mfb or OG with the side character department

I agree, it messed up how many characters got done dirty in Burst. Zac, Kensuke, Fubuki, Suoh, Ranjiro, Houi Oh, Tokonatsu, Hearts, Fumiya, Lodin, Arthur, Blind, Pot, Illya, and Phenomeno should've gotten better.

Nah the last series did their side character plus girls bladers better. Look at zac he was top 4 s1 after that gone, and remenber zeus had in evo during god but nada and before someone pull the while he retired excuse well he unretired himself after like 2 or 3 episode later so no excuse their, others like quon, ben, ibuki, even ken (it took 5 season to. Finally get him in a hasbro exclusive season) , Daina (who had a sparking bey but nowhere be found), lets not forget Kurtz or Heartz both former World champ but never mention to what happen long term. With the og or Metal saga they actually brought then most back and show you how strong the got. I'll give one of the best example Benkai even though he was never going to be stronger than the main players we still saw how strong he got for his level we saw other characters that was in s1 they show that they still exist both Yu and Tsubasa was their for all 3 season despite not being main after season s1 and where still top class class bladers, same with masamune in s3 who became side characters was done good, even Madoka who wasnt even a blader was treated good . Unlike burst which is horrible with not only side character thats not the kiyamas but with also with female  cast. Their main focus was really the big boys which the did then good the only side that got really devolpment was the kiyamas and Amane, Basara who where all closely tag with they Main charcaters. Burst got nothing on both Mfb or OG with the side character department

I agree, it messed up how many characters got done dirty in Burst. Zac, Kensuke, Fubuki, Suoh, Ranjiro, Houi Oh, Tokonatsu, Hearts, Fumiya, Lodin, Arthur, Blind, Pot, Illya, and Phenomeno should've gotten better.

If we are counting the anime and manga then 99% of the characters you mentioned shouldn't be up here. Even in the anime most of these characters are either coming back next season or already had closure.

I agree, it messed up how many characters got done dirty in Burst. Zac, Kensuke, Fubuki, Suoh, Ranjiro, Houi Oh, Tokonatsu, Hearts, Fumiya, Lodin, Arthur, Blind, Pot, Illya, and Phenomeno should've gotten better.

If we are counting the anime and manga then 99% of the characters you mentioned shouldn't be up here. Even in the anime most of these characters are either coming back next season or already had closure.

Zac was the only Spin Emperor who didn’t return, Fubuki and Suoh did nothing of note all season, Houi Oh, barely existed, Toko’s grand return in Chozetsu flopped horribly, Lodin did nothing, and Arthur was a cardboard cutout posing as a character. Not to mention Blindt, Pot, and Ilya also doing nothing of note all season. Some work could definitely be done here.

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Nah the last series did their side character plus girls bladers better. Look at zac he was top 4 s1 after that gone, and remenber zeus had in evo during god but nada and before someone pull the while he retired excuse well he unretired himself after like 2 or 3 episode later so no excuse their, others like quon, ben, ibuki, even ken (it took 5 season to. Finally get him in a hasbro exclusive season) , Daina (who had a sparking bey but nowhere be found), lets not forget Kurtz or Heartz both former World champ but never mention to what happen long term. With the og or Metal saga they actually brought then most back and show you how strong the got. I'll give one of the best example Benkai even though he was never going to be stronger than the main players we still saw how strong he got for his level we saw other characters that was in s1 they show that they still exist both Yu and Tsubasa was their for all 3 season despite not being main after season s1 and where still top class class bladers, same with masamune in s3 who became side characters was done good, even Madoka who wasnt even a blader was treated good . Unlike burst which is horrible with not only side character thats not the kiyamas but with also with female  cast. Their main focus was really the big boys which the did then good the only side that got really devolpment was the kiyamas and Amane, Basara who where all closely tag with they Main charcaters. Burst got nothing on both Mfb or OG with the side character department

What are you even talking about. We legit see most of the S1 side characters cameo in S2. And if you must know if you aren't going to use a side character for even a minor role then that character shouldn't have any influence in the story at all other than maybe a cameo. Just saves time for the story and focuses on other more important factors. Plus side characters have closure being the reason we never really see them again, ex. Hearts, Lodin. We see Kurtz in the Sparking manga and Hearts in the anime had closure with his brother. Also people like Zac and Daigo come back in the manga so your point? Metal brings side characters back but does absolutely nothing with them. And even the characters they bring back either have a rushed development or and underutilized. Also I think you're at a misconception about a supporting character and a side characters. Almost all the examples you given like Yu, Madoka, and Tsubasa are wrong. They aren't side character's but they are part of the main cast so are you surprised they came back? Benkei is also part of the main cast. Also you say Benkei got stronger when in Fury he literally got dogged by everyone other than the generic bladers. Blind from GT lost all his battles but he only fought Delta and Dante and put up a fight against them which is valid. I personally don't really care much for the female cast stuff even though we get people like Nika and Kristina back after their debuting seasons. Kiyamas, Amane, and Basara is the surface lol. Lui got development. Boa got development. Fubuki got development. Fumiya got development. I can go on really. I'm not even going to say much about OG since I forgot a lot but I know Metal enough to say something. Your inclined to believe what you say but this is just a rebuttal because I fairly don't agree.

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I will admit Shu had one major role in Chozetsu, but not for the entirety of the series. As far as I remember the only major thing he did was get Aiga back on his feet, besides fighting a few times.

He did 4 major things:

1. Get Aiga back on his feet.
2. Train Fubuki to get stronger. 
3. Put an end to Phi's reign of terror.
4. Help Aiga prepare to defeat Phi. 

I wouldn't say he's a full on main character but he's definitely a main supporting cast member which is relevant enough.

Cameo’s don’t equal actual follow ups. Seeing them is cool, but what we want to see is how they’ve changed over time. I think that’s what’s MFB does better in comparison to Burst. Daina did return and Battle, but Zac only made a cameo. Also, Tsubasa and Yu are only main characters in the second season. So the fact that they not only returned but were given major roles in the next season is actually a testament to MFB’s writing to be honest.

As for Benkei, I think you’re confusing power development for character development. Sure, he still isn’t on par with Kyoya, but his character made lots of changes in both departments, ending with him being almost entirely different in Zero G.

Rantaro is really the only Kiyama with substantial development, and as I already said Amane got his way too late unfortunately.

Boa and Fubuki are really worthless in the grand scheme of things. They have potential to be cool, but they don’t do anything of note all season, especially Boa. He basically only existed as a punching bag to show off how strong Shu is.

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If we are counting the anime and manga then 99% of the characters you mentioned shouldn't be up here. Even in the anime most of these characters are either coming back next season or already had closure.

Zac was the only Spin Emperor who didn’t return, Fubuki and Suoh did nothing of note all season, Houi Oh, barely existed, Toko’s grand return in Chozetsu flopped horribly, Lodin did nothing, and Arthur was a cardboard cutout posing as a character. Not to mention Blindt, Pot, and Ilya also doing nothing of note all season. Some work could definitely be done here.

Yeah, and Kensuke didn't become relevant in God even though Guardian Kerbeus existed; the same case is for Zac. Tokonatsu should've got a Cho-Z evolution since he was on the manga cover for Chouzetsu. Fubuki, Suoh, Ranjiro, and Houi Oh should've been more relevant and stronger than getting sidelined. Blind and Pot should've at least Bursted a few Beys such as Asura, Fafnir, Dragon, or Longinus. Fumiya should've gotten a character arc where he is doubtful about whether he is worthy of owning Fafnir. He should also be on Drum's team in WBBA vs HELL tournament. We should've seen what happened to Arthur after GT. Hearts should've appeared in Sparking with a new Hades. Illya should've got a Takara Tomy Bey than a Hasbro one. And Phenomeno should've been introduced in DB earlier with a better-written backstory.

If we are counting the anime and manga then 99% of the characters you mentioned shouldn't be up here. Even in the anime most of these characters are either coming back next season or already had closure.

Zac was the only Spin Emperor who didn’t return, Fubuki and Suoh did nothing of note all season, Houi Oh, barely existed, Toko’s grand return in Chozetsu flopped horribly, Lodin did nothing, and Arthur was a cardboard cutout posing as a character. Not to mention Blindt, Pot, and Ilya also doing nothing of note all season. Some work could definitely be done here.

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What are you even talking about. We legit see most of the S1 side characters cameo in S2. And if you must know if you aren't going to use a side character for even a minor role then that character shouldn't have any influence in the story at all other than maybe a cameo. Just saves time for the story and focuses on other more important factors. Plus side characters have closure being the reason we never really see them again, ex. Hearts, Lodin. We see Kurtz in the Sparking manga and Hearts in the anime had closure with his brother. Also people like Zac and Daigo come back in the manga so your point? Metal brings side characters back but does absolutely nothing with them. And even the characters they bring back either have a rushed development or and underutilized. Also I think you're at a misconception about a supporting character and a side characters. Almost all the examples you given like Yu, Madoka, and Tsubasa are wrong. They aren't side character's but they are part of the main cast so are you surprised they came back? Benkei is also part of the main cast. Also you say Benkei got stronger when in Fury he literally got dogged by everyone other than the generic bladers. Blind from GT lost all his battles but he only fought Delta and Dante and put up a fight against them which is valid. I personally don't really care much for the female cast stuff even though we get people like Nika and Kristina back after their debuting seasons. Kiyamas, Amane, and Basara is the surface lol. Lui got development. Boa got development. Fubuki got development. Fumiya got development. I can go on really. I'm not even going to say much about OG since I forgot a lot but I know Metal enough to say something. Your inclined to believe what you say but this is just a rebuttal because I fairly don't agree.

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He did 4 major things:

1. Get Aiga back on his feet.
2. Train Fubuki to get stronger. 
3. Put an end to Phi's reign of terror.
4. Help Aiga prepare to defeat Phi. 

I wouldn't say he's a full on main character but he's definitely a main supporting cast member which is relevant enough.

Cameo’s don’t equal actual follow ups. Seeing them is cool, but what we want to see is how they’ve changed over time. I think that’s what’s MFB does better in comparison to Burst. Daina did return and Battle, but Zac only made a cameo. Also, Tsubasa and Yu are only main characters in the second season. So the fact that they not only returned but were given major roles in the next season is actually a testament to MFB’s writing to be honest.

As for Benkei, I think you’re confusing power development for character development. Sure, he still isn’t on par with Kyoya, but his character made lots of changes in both departments, ending with him being almost entirely different in Zero G.

Rantaro is really the only Kiyama with substantial development, and as I already said Amane got his way too late unfortunately.

Boa and Fubuki are really worthless in the grand scheme of things. They have potential to be cool, but they don’t do anything of note all season, especially Boa. He basically only existed as a punching bag to show off how strong Shu is.

Although I don't agree with most of this, mentioning Benkei, I only see him develop in Fusion. Master's he plays a minor role. Fury is an even more minor role. Boa is definitely well done and I did love him grow to see that you should never give up on your Bey thanks to Valt.  I'm also not sold about MFB's writing. Have examined it many times and didn't see anything to appreciate character wise. Plus you say "in the grand scheme of things" when that doesn't even matter. Development is development. Boa and Fubuki have developed in their respective seasons. Remember that development is not about how big of a character you are in the season rather how much your character grows. And Boa and Fubuki have both done that. Amane's development started in the last arc and even earlier in the season we see some foreshadowing of it so it's valid. Also i'm not confusing power development and character development. I can differentiate the two. I'm just refuting what the other person said.

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Zac was the only Spin Emperor who didn’t return, Fubuki and Suoh did nothing of note all season, Houi Oh, barely existed, Toko’s grand return in Chozetsu flopped horribly, Lodin did nothing, and Arthur was a cardboard cutout posing as a character. Not to mention Blindt, Pot, and Ilya also doing nothing of note all season. Some work could definitely be done here.

Yeah, and Kensuke didn't become relevant in God even though Guardian Kerbeus existed; the same case is for Zac. Tokonatsu should've got a Cho-Z evolution since he was on the manga cover for Chouzetsu. Fubuki, Suoh, Ranjiro, and Houi Oh should've been more relevant and stronger than getting sidelined. Blind and Pot should've at least Bursted a few Beys such as Asura, Fafnir, Dragon, or Longinus. Fumiya should've gotten a character arc where he is doubtful about whether he is worthy of owning Fafnir. He should also be on Drum's team in WBBA vs HELL tournament. We should've seen what happened to Arthur after GT. Hearts should've appeared in Sparking with a new Hades. Illya should've got a Takara Tomy Bey than a Hasbro one. And Phenomeno should've been introduced in DB earlier with a better-written backstory.

More than half of the reasons of this you listed didn't happen because of the time decrease in episodes. If Sparking were 24 minutes instead of 12, every Legend shown in the manga would have been in the anime. But you have to take the time decrease into account.

A misconception I'm seeing here is mistaking appearances for character work. Yes more of MFB's characters appeared later in the series but that's doesn't equal character work. Though side characters appear less frequently in later seasons in comparison to MFB, the seasons they appear they actually grow through definite character arcs which I can't really say for the most part for MFB. Burst definitely has the better character work.

A misconception I'm seeing here is mistaking appearances for character work. Yes more of MFB's characters appeared later in the series but that's doesn't equal character work. Though side characters appear less frequently in later seasons in comparison to MFB, the seasons they appear they actually grow through definite character arcs which I can't really say for the most part for MFB. Burst definitely has the better character work.

THANK YOU! That's all i'm trying to say.

Burst doesn’t have great character work either. The characters just appear. The only returning side character with a  substantial role in God is Lui. Chozetsu has no one, same for GT and DB. The only exception is Sparking.

Valt, Aiga, Free, and Shu reappearing frequently isn’t anything substantial because they’re main characters. I’m talking side characters, like Rantaro and Tsubasa.

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I don’t get why this is even an argument. People have been begging for side characters to reappear instead of just the same 5 people (Valt, Shu, Aiga, Lui, and Free)for years, and all of a sudden we’re acting like we’re above that? Seems like a nothingburger to me.

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Burst doesn’t have great character work either. The characters just appear. The only returning side character with a  substantial role in God is Lui. Chozetsu has no one, same for GT and DB. The only exception is Sparking.

Valt, Aiga, Free, and Shu reappearing frequently isn’t anything substantial because they’re main characters. I’m talking side characters, like Rantaro and Tsubasa.

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I don’t get why this is even an argument. People have been begging for side characters to reappear instead of just the same 5 people (Valt, Shu, Aiga, Lui, and Free)for years, and all of a sudden we’re acting like we’re above that? Seems like a nothingburger to me.

Just give up. Most burst fans see burst is the perfect beyblade series with no actual flaw they find anything to defend it you can't have a critic of burst cause god of burst forbid it, only refute/Reject is posible the only good debate are between busrt characters lol. The got better story, better mains and better side characters i'm surprised some don't say it has better female at this point, anything you said wont change their mind. Thats why I mostly stay out of their way when I see its going nowhere when it comes having an opinion about all 3 . Just enjoy burst the way you want and agree to disagree it healthier