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MSF-H Shinobi Wyvang (Crystal Up) GB145/R145 RF/R2F

Mar. 02, 2014  1:42 PM
 
I pretty much came up with this thing after playing around with Wheels. This thing has some really good smash-attack. Its contact points fit perfectly with Wyvang (From what I see) leading to it getting a huge amount of power. I also noticed this thing works best with Crystal Up. As for the Track choice, I really wasn't sure what to pick. After some testing though, I found both kinda worked well. GB145 provides good against Mid Hight Customs whilst R145 wrecks everything on Low Tracks.

DEFENSE TEST:
Spoiler (Click to View)
I didn't have time to do GB145 against HTDC as I had Liimited time. Overall: This thing has some good attack. MTCS!
Mar. 02, 2014  1:48 PM
 
I'd love to see Attack vs. Attack tests, especially against Cosmic TH170 R2F and Beat Lynx H145/90 R2F.

That way, some results can be compared with Samurai Wyvang GB145 R2F.
Mar. 02, 2014  1:50 PM
 
Oh man you managed to guess one of the things I was going to blog about before I got to it haha - the fact Shinonbi is heavy, really aggressive and lines up awesomely with Wyvang - I really do not know why anyone went with Samurai because Shinobi is so much better just in general.
You should do a comparative with Samurai and Shinobi against 230 defense if you get the time - should show what I mean, but it's extremely obvious if you just try the two of them (and also if you consider that Samurai is the best chrome wheel I've found for defense - it takes hits very well). Attack vs Attack won't show it because Shinobi and Samurai are the same weight and not really making contact (Samurai juts out more at the main contact point but I still doubt it's making side-on contact there anyway.)

Also TBH, R145 is always better than GB145 on Wyvang - better balance and more weight thus better recoil control, at least from what I've seen - your results show the opposite for that against 145 height libra defense which is a surprise, might have to test it myself if I get time.
Mar. 02, 2014  1:56 PM
 
Need to get back into Limited. this looks like a good one to have along with DK Wyvang ch120RF in my pocket. can you test those vs. otherwise I might get back to helping testing LTD & STD this month with the Qualifiers coming up! And my beypoints have plummeted in these last 3 months worth of tournaments due to apathy.
Mar. 02, 2014  1:58 PM
 
Actually, I do have every tests you guys want. I just runned out of typing space. Is there a way I could post them then merge them my my OP?

From my other testing, Samurai wasn't getting big numbers against 230. Somewhat in the range of 10-13. I really do prefer Shinobi over Samurai. As for G145: I've known from testing R145 works better 'cause of contact points, but what I didn't get is that it couldn't get Libra. Libra was messing this thing up... So I decided to try GB145. Libra really didn't have anything to smash - So Wyvang could land the harder hit.
Mar. 02, 2014  2:05 PM
 
This combo shows great results!

I honestly wasn't too surprised with the tests against Bakushin Leone, but I loved the results and outcome against Libra and Earth.

But what I'm possibly looking too see is more testings with Earth, Burn, Libra, and maybe even a testing against Libra_R145R2F, vs Libra_GB145RSF. I'd love to see a comparison.

Thanks! Smile
Mar. 02, 2014  2:06 PM
 
(Jan. 01, 2014  7:05 PM)*Ginga* Wrote: I still think that Shinobi matches up wayyyyyyy better with Wyvang than Samurai guys.

Anyways now that I have some good defense bottoms now I might do some tests, just to confirm.
Mar. 02, 2014  2:23 PM
 
You definitely called that one - I mean you can just look at it for how it matches up - absolutely no overlap, and it's one of the (three?) seemingly equal-heaviest crystal wheels (Samurai, Shinobi and Gladiator - all three of them seem to have identical weight ranges), and definitely the most aggressive of the three, likely the second most aggressive crystal wheel I own after Dark Knight. Samurai has a slightly better weight distribution I guess, but if you guys try MSF-H Samurai Genbull 85RB (Crystal Up), you'll see why I am currently really baffled by Samurai being the early crystal wheel of choice for Attack, haha.
Mar. 02, 2014  3:50 PM
 
Can a mod edit my OP with this:
Continue in Defense Testing section:

Code:
[b][u]Benchmark[/u][/b]
[spoiler][B][U]MSF-H Samurai Wyvang R145R2F (Crystal Up) vs MF-H Earth Cancer 230RSF[/U][/B]
Samurai: 15/20 (0 OS'S, 15 KO'S)
Earth: 5/20 (5 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
[b]Samurai win %: 75.00%[/b][/spoiler]

[b][u]MSF-H Shinobi Wyvang R145R2F (Crystal Up) vs MSF-H Samurai Wyvang 85RB (Crystal Up)[/u][/b]
Shinobi: 10/20 (0 OS'S, 10 KO'S)
Samurai: 10/20 (9 OS'S,1 KO)
[b]Shinobi win %: 50.00%[/b][/spoiler]


Code:
[b][u]ATTACK TESTING:[/u][/b]
[spoiler][b][U]MSF-H Shinobi Wyvang R145R2F (Crystal Up) vs MF-H Cosmic Kerbecs TH170R2F[/U][/B]
Shinobi: 17/20 (8 OS'S, 9 KO'S)
Cosmic: 3/20 (3 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
[b]Shinobi win %: 85.00%[/b]

Cosmic didn't have enough force.

[b][u]MSF-H Shinobi Wyvang R145R2F (Crystal Up) vs MSF-H Samurai Wyvang GB145R2F[/U][/B]
Shinobi: 13/20 (5 OS'S, 8 KO'S)
Samurai: 7/20 (2 OS'S, 5 KO'S)
[b]Shinobi win %: 65.00%[/b]

Shinobi still had alot of smash with R145 against Samurai.[/spoiler]

Code:
[b][u]ANTI-ATTACK[/U][/B]
[SPOILER]
[b][u]Benchmark[/b]
[spoiler]MSF-H Samurai Wyvang R145R2F (Crystal Up) vs Dark Knight Wyvang CH120RF[/U][/B]
Samurai: 7/20 (5 OS'S, 2 KO'S)
Dark Knight: 13/20 (9 OS'S, 4 KO'S)
[b]Samurai win %: 35.00%[/b]

[b][u]MSF-H Samurai Wyvang R145R2F (Crystal Up) vs MF-H Libra CH120RF[/U][/B]
Samurai: 5/20 (3 OS'S, 2 KO'S)
Libra: 15/20 (11 OS'S, 4 KO'S)
[b]Samurai win %: 25.00%[/b][/SPOILER]

[B][U]MSF-H Shinobi Wyvang R145R2F (Crystal Up) vs Dark Knight Wyvang CH120RF[/U][/B]
Shinobi: 9/20 (4 OS'S, 5 KO'S)
Dark Knight: 11/20 (7 OS'S, 3 KO'S)
[b]Shinobi win %: 45.00%[/b]

[b][u]MSF-H Shinobi Wyvang R145R2F (Crystal Up) vs MF-H Libra CH120RF[/U][/B]
Shinobi: 10/20 (5 OS'S, 5 KO'S)
Libra: 10/20 (7 OS'S, 3 KO'S)
[b]Shinobi win %: 50.00%[/b]

I noticed even whilst against Libra Anti-Attack, Shinobi  had that Smash for some KO'S.[/SPOILER]
Mar. 03, 2014  1:02 PM
 
Wait...

None of you guys tried Shinobi on Wyvang? I thought it was amazing when I tested it after *Ginga* made his post about it (definitely better than Samurai, like th!nk said), but I thought I remembered someone testing it formally already. Perhaps I was misremembering?

Anywho, my experience with I was very brief, and never went past MTDC testing, so I got a question; how does this thing line up with Gladiator? As far as right-spin goes, I thought it was generally the best option for most things.

Keep in mind that testing Zero-G stuff is not something I do very often, haha, so if I said anything that didn't make sense, I've been out of this part of the game for a while.

EDIT: The Alchemist, can't you edit the OP yourself? You should be able to.
Mar. 03, 2014  1:04 PM
 
(Mar. 03, 2014  1:02 PM)TheBlackDragon Wrote: Wait...

None of you guys tried Shinobi on Wyvang? I thought it was amazing when I tested it after *Ginga* made his post about it (definitely better than Samurai, like th!nk said), but I thought I remembered someone testing it formally already. Perhaps I was misremembering?

Anywho, my experience with I was very brief, and never went past MTDC testing, so I got a question; how does this thing line up with Gladiator? As far as right-spin goes, I thought it was generally the best option for most things.

Keep in mind that testing Zero-G stuff is not something I do very often, haha, so if I said anything that didn't make sense, I've been out of this part of the game for a while.
I only obtained one recently, was unaware of how aggressive it was or how nicely it lined up until then, and since then I've been busy, though as I mentioned, I actually had something about it in a blogpost I've not yet finished.

Shinobi hits harder than Gladiator in my experience, and Gladiator extends very slightly over that major side-on contact point - doubt it makes a big difference, but I definitely think Shinobi is superior. IIRC The Alchemist did Gladiator/Samurai comparisons in previous Wyvang threads.

Gladiator is tamer than I expected initially, to be honest. It's not bad, but Shinobi seems much, much better.

Oh and no, as he mentioned earlier, the device he's using has a word limit or something along those lines.
Mar. 03, 2014  1:11 PM
 
I did try this before, but I never went in to informal testing 'till now. I'm sure most people knew, but didn't test.

Um... Gladiator... I've tried Gladiator and while it would seem like a good choice it just goes a bit over Wyvang's contact points. I do prefer Shinobi Wyvang more, Its contact points fits better and it has more smash then when I tested Gladiator. Shinobi just has that extra power.

EDIT: @TBD/EVeryone: does no one read my posts? I can't 'cause I can't put in anymore words. It's my device.
Oct. 19, 2014  9:09 PM
 
It was recently brought to our attention that all tests by Crescent in this topic are fabricated. We urge you to forget their results and that someone trustworthy conduct the actual tests for the sake of this metagame.