True that th!nk .

IMO R145 should dropped down to tier 2 for defense it has to much recoil against low attackers and is no longer the heaviest track , i mean anyone with access to the other top tier tracks would easily choose them over R145.
And what about MF for well i don't no what type it should be but MF-H Basalt Kerbecs 230/TH220MF is a machine and MF-H Basalt/Libra BD145MF does OK from what i have heard.

We need a "balance bottoms list". No tiers as there's tier 1 or suck tier. Just the part and what types it is.

Also, r145 is probably worse than c145 defensively I'd put ed145 ahead of it, or at least bump it up, it was top tier once, those others suck.

Also, lose the destabilisers list, as I've said, they're useless and antiquated. Abacus in the computer age and all that.

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We need a "balance bottoms list". No tiers as there's tier 1 or suck tier. Just the part and what types it is.

Also, r145 is probably worse than c145 defensively I'd put ed145 ahead of it, or at least bump it up, it was top tier once, those others suck.

Also, lose the destabilisers list, as I've said, they're useless and antiquated. Abacus in the computer age and all that.

Agree with you. But, are there really any 'AMAZING' balance parts we may list? Um, ATM, I can only think of these as balance parts-

Clear Wheel- Kerbecs
Metal Wheel- Hell
Track- BD145
Bottom- CS/MF?

About R145, I think it was there for Defense because of its weight...
Yes, Destabilizers have no use, but still, can be suggested if someone has stocked up on BAD parts...
Hehe, so at least my suggestion(about TH170) was correct it seems....

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um I kinda doubt that C145 is better than R145.

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Ultrablader's right. R145 has use with Beat, Earth and possibly Gravity

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Place Scythe in tier 1 for stamina. It beats Burn by far.

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Ultrablader's right. R145 has use with Beat, Earth and possibly Gravity

I was only really talking about Defence and not attack.

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Ultrablader's right. R145 has use with Beat, Earth and possibly Gravity

I was only really talking about Defence and not attack.

Well, you do have a point. C145 is on par with R145, but R145 is certainly overrated...
Vulcan- I think we better wait for further testing, so that we get a solid reason to put it there...

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Ultra R145 is good , but it should only be tier 1 if C145 is as it is only a tiny bit better and C145 is not on there so IMO R145 should not be on there.

And about scythe it does have potential but it needs more testing from more members.

I think testing should be done on R145 and C145 to compare them. Not that sure now which is better.

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Ultra R145 is good , but it should only be tier 1 if C145 is as it is only a tiny bit better and C145 is not on there so IMO R145 should not be on there.

Just what I meant to say.
Well, OK then, as you say UltraBlader. We'll better test it....

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Pretty sure if you look around comparative testing has been done.

R145 increases recoil from any lower attack, C145 reduces it, but does a little worse against stuff that doesn't hit the track, as it's lighter.

And both of them suck compared to BD145 and 230, and even GB145, as can be seen on the top tier list.

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Never mind.

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Also, I think the fact R145 is no longer listed as top tier in the site Tier List is enough justification to drop it down.

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Attack Tier 1 should go:

Gravity Perseus (Attack Version)
Lightning L-Drago
Fang
Beat
Meteo L-Drago
Vulcan

Stamina Tier 1 should go:

Scythe
Basalt
Burn
Virgo 5 Minute Mold
Hell with BD145 Boost Mode
Earth Mold 1

Defense Tier 1 should go:

Basalt
Scythe (When used with 85 and a tall tip)
Gravity (When used with Stamina Version CW)
Libra

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Gravity Perseus (ATK) is definitely not the best attack wheel, for what it's worth.

And last I checked, you sucked with attack anyway?

Stamina needs more testing, Basalt has poor stamina if used in a traditional stamina combo.

Scythe needs more defense testing, Earth is top tier according to the site tier list, and Hell+BD145 is very effective defensively.

So, in short, seriously,

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So Big Bang Is Not in the List So It Is Not that Useful?

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Exactly. It's pretty useless. There are so many better options.

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So can we add LDD to tier 1 attack and remove R145 from defense? Oh and i just noticed this but you know how it says that hell is only tier 1 defense with BD145 what about MF Hell Kerbecs 230CS ? that's a beast.

We need a "balance bottoms list". No tiers as there's tier 1 or suck tier. Just the part and what types it is.

Also, r145 is probably worse than c145 defensively I'd put ed145 ahead of it, or at least bump it up, it was top tier once, those others suck.

Also, lose the destabilisers list, as I've said, they're useless and antiquated. Abacus in the computer age and all that.

Agree with you. But, are there really any 'AMAZING' balance parts we may list? Um, ATM, I can only think of these as balance parts-

Clear Wheel- Kerbecs
Metal Wheel- Hell
Track- BD145
Bottom- CS/MF?

About R145, I think it was there for Defense because of its weight...
Yes, Destabilizers have no use, but still, can be suggested if someone has stocked up on BAD parts...
Hehe, so at least my suggestion(about TH170) was correct it seems....

Well MF-L Hell Kerbecks BD145(B)CS is a really good Balance type.

Well MF-L Hell Kerbecks BD145(B)CS is a really good Balance type.

MF-H works better, IMO. The problem is that it gets totaled by MF LLD BD145LRF.

yes MF-L Hell Kerbecs BD145 CS is a good balance type but I've grown to like MF-H for less recoil reasons, it also adds more weight behind each hit

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So can we add LDD to tier 1 attack and remove R145 from defense? Oh and i just noticed this but you know how it says that hell is only tier 1 defense with BD145 what about MF Hell Kerbecs 230CS ? that's a beast.

Must be top tier. LDD needs to be put now, so many tests were done.

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I'm gonna do it tonight when I have time to.

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Thats cool , were are we on dropping R145 , I mean like do you guys agree ? And big bang for tier 2?