[Hasbro]  Hercules H4 Testing and Discussion

Hello, I have just gotten archer Hercules H4 and have decided to test it. Let me know what you want me to test it on. Enjoy the tests!

Test 1:
H4.7.Et-S(BR) VS F3.0G.Ds (20 battles, alternating weak launch, ties redone)

F3 Win Rate: 40% (OS: 8, KO: 0, BST: 0)
H4 Win Rate: 60% (OS: 12, KO: 0, BST: 0)
Ties: 4

Test 2
H4.7C.Br VS dC3.7C.O (20 battles, alternating launch, ties redone)

C3 Win Rate: 95% (OS: 19, KO: 0, BST: 0)
H4 Win Rate: 5% (OS: 0, KO: 0, BST: 1)
Ties: 3

Test 3:
H4.7C.At VS X3.0C.Op-S(Atk,BR) (20 battles, H4 launched first, ties redone)

X3 Win Rate: 70% (OS: 1, KO: 3, BST: 10)
H4 Win Rate: 30% (OS: 6, KO: 0, BST: 0)
Ties: 0

Test 4
H4.7.Et-S(BR) VS N3.0F.Xt-S(BR) (20 battles, alternating launches, ties redone)

N3 Win Rate: 80% (OS: 16, KO: 0, BST: 0)
H4 Win Rate: 20% (OS: 3, KO: 0, BST: 1)
Ties: 1

Ok, so lets talk about the tests:

Test 1: This battle was weird, it started out completely one sided with H4 winning 8 battles in a row, then it just became a comeback for Fafnir but with some H4 wins every once in a while.

Test 2: This is a good thing! This shows it can be beaten by stamina if you have the right driver matchup. While dC3 on O can't really beat aH on Br, it can beat H4 on Br, showing that it is not as OP as the TT version and definitely beatable. 

Test 3: So just starting of, something to mention, when I do these tests, I always try out multiple part setups before I chose a matchup to test. In this case, I started X3's driver at D-S and went through O,W,Yr-S, and Zt before I came to Op-S. It started getting burst after burst on H4, then it started dying down and losing more battles, but it still got some bursts and KOs here and there. This is a good sign and shows H4 is by no means OP in anyway and attack has a pretty good chance against it. 

Test 4: This was just more of a fun battle, just testing N3 staller/destabilizer. It worked very well and was able to OS pretty much every time. H4 got a lucky burst on it and even OSed it a couple times, but it couldn't really do much to beat N3.

Overall: I think H4 is a pretty good beyblade, it has decent defence, pretty good stamina, and overall was just a decent bey, not OP by any means and definitely beatable by both attack and stamina. I may end up using this depending on whether I see it as a good choice to fit some of my decks or matchups. Thanks for reading and feel free to do your own tests!
(Feb. 04, 2019  4:42 AM)bladekid Wrote: Hello, I have just gotten archer Hercules H4 and have decided to test it. Let me know what you want me to test it on. Enjoy the tests!

Test 1:
H4.7.Et-S(BR) VS F3.0G.Ds (20 battles, alternating weak launch, ties redone)

F3 Win Rate: 40% (OS: 8, KO: 0, BST: 0)
H4 Win Rate: 60% (OS: 12, KO: 0, BST: 0)
Ties: 4

Test 2
H4.7C.Br VS dC3.7C.O (20 battles, alternating launch, ties redone)

C3 Win Rate: 95% (OS: 19, KO: 0, BST: 0)
H4 Win Rate: 5% (OS: 0, KO: 0, BST: 1)
Ties: 3

Test 3:
H4.7C.At VS X3.0C.Op-S(Atk,BR) (20 battles, H4 launched first, ties redone)

X3 Win Rate: 70% (OS: 1, KO: 3, BST: 10)
H4 Win Rate: 30% (OS: 6, KO: 0, BST: 0)
Ties: 0

Test 4
H4.7.Et-S(BR) VS N3.0F.Xt-S(BR) (20 battles, alternating launches, ties redone)

N3 Win Rate: 80% (OS: 16, KO: 0, BST: 0)
H4 Win Rate: 20% (OS: 3, KO: 0, BST: 1)
Ties: 1

Ok, so lets talk about the tests:

Test 1: This battle was weird, it started out completely one sided with H4 winning 8 battles in a row, then it just became a comeback for Fafnir but with some H4 wins every once in a while.

Test 2: This is a good thing! This shows it can be beaten by stamina if you have the right driver matchup. While dC3 on O can't really beat aH on Br, it can beat H4 on Br, showing that it is not as OP as the TT version and definitely beatable. 

Test 3: So just starting of, something to mention, when I do these tests, I always try out multiple part setups before I chose a matchup to test. In this case, I started X3's driver at D-S and went through O,W,Yr-S, and Zt before I came to Op-S. It started getting burst after burst on H4, then it started dying down and losing more battles, but it still got some bursts and KOs here and there. This is a good sign and shows H4 is by no means OP in anyway and attack has a pretty good chance against it. 

Test 4: This was just more of a fun battle, just testing N3 staller/destabilizer. It worked very well and was able to OS pretty much every time. H4 got a lucky burst on it and even OSed it a couple times, but it couldn't really do much to beat N3.

Overall: I think H4 is a pretty good beyblade, it has decent defence, pretty good stamina, and overall was just a decent bey, not OP by any means and definitely beatable by both attack and stamina. I may end up using this depending on whether I see it as a good choice to fit some of my decks or matchups. Thanks for reading and feel free to do your own tests!
1. Hasbro nerfed H4
2. Try H4 7C R
(Feb. 04, 2019  4:47 AM)CheetoBlader Wrote:
(Feb. 04, 2019  4:42 AM)bladekid Wrote: Hello, I have just gotten archer Hercules H4 and have decided to test it. Let me know what you want me to test it on. Enjoy the tests!

Test 1:
H4.7.Et-S(BR) VS F3.0G.Ds (20 battles, alternating weak launch, ties redone)

F3 Win Rate: 40% (OS: 8, KO: 0, BST: 0)
H4 Win Rate: 60% (OS: 12, KO: 0, BST: 0)
Ties: 4

Test 2
H4.7C.Br VS dC3.7C.O (20 battles, alternating launch, ties redone)

C3 Win Rate: 95% (OS: 19, KO: 0, BST: 0)
H4 Win Rate: 5% (OS: 0, KO: 0, BST: 1)
Ties: 3

Test 3:
H4.7C.At VS X3.0C.Op-S(Atk,BR) (20 battles, H4 launched first, ties redone)

X3 Win Rate: 70% (OS: 1, KO: 3, BST: 10)
H4 Win Rate: 30% (OS: 6, KO: 0, BST: 0)
Ties: 0

Test 4
H4.7.Et-S(BR) VS N3.0F.Xt-S(BR) (20 battles, alternating launches, ties redone)

N3 Win Rate: 80% (OS: 16, KO: 0, BST: 0)
H4 Win Rate: 20% (OS: 3, KO: 0, BST: 1)
Ties: 1

Ok, so lets talk about the tests:

Test 1: This battle was weird, it started out completely one sided with H4 winning 8 battles in a row, then it just became a comeback for Fafnir but with some H4 wins every once in a while.

Test 2: This is a good thing! This shows it can be beaten by stamina if you have the right driver matchup. While dC3 on O can't really beat aH on Br, it can beat H4 on Br, showing that it is not as OP as the TT version and definitely beatable. 

Test 3: So just starting of, something to mention, when I do these tests, I always try out multiple part setups before I chose a matchup to test. In this case, I started X3's driver at D-S and went through O,W,Yr-S, and Zt before I came to Op-S. It started getting burst after burst on H4, then it started dying down and losing more battles, but it still got some bursts and KOs here and there. This is a good sign and shows H4 is by no means OP in anyway and attack has a pretty good chance against it. 

Test 4: This was just more of a fun battle, just testing N3 staller/destabilizer. It worked very well and was able to OS pretty much every time. H4 got a lucky burst on it and even OSed it a couple times, but it couldn't really do much to beat N3.

Overall: I think H4 is a pretty good beyblade, it has decent defence, pretty good stamina, and overall was just a decent bey, not OP by any means and definitely beatable by both attack and stamina. I may end up using this depending on whether I see it as a good choice to fit some of my decks or matchups. Thanks for reading and feel free to do your own tests!
1. Hasbro nerfed H4
2. Try H4 7C R

Yeah, hasbro definitely nerfed H4, but it is probably the best turbo bey so far and is actually a pretty good DEF/STA hybrid. Obviously, came from the lack of metal, but honestly, if you think this is a bad nerf, you don't want to see S4 lol. Also, what do you want me to test H4.7C.R against? Thanks for your suggestion.
(Feb. 04, 2019  1:03 PM)bladekid Wrote:
(Feb. 04, 2019  4:47 AM)CheetoBlader Wrote: 1. Hasbro nerfed H4
2. Try H4 7C R

Yeah, hasbro definitely nerfed H4, but it is probably the best turbo bey so far and is actually a pretty good DEF/STA hybrid. Obviously, came from the lack of metal, but honestly, if you think this is a bad nerf, you don't want to see S4 lol. Also, what do you want me to test H4.7C.R against? Thanks for your suggestion.

H4.7C.R VS J2.7C.R
(Feb. 04, 2019  7:45 PM)CheetoBlader Wrote:
(Feb. 04, 2019  1:03 PM)bladekid Wrote: Yeah, hasbro definitely nerfed H4, but it is probably the best turbo bey so far and is actually a pretty good DEF/STA hybrid. Obviously, came from the lack of metal, but honestly, if you think this is a bad nerf, you don't want to see S4 lol. Also, what do you want me to test H4.7C.R against? Thanks for your suggestion.

H4.7C.R VS J2.7C.R

Ok, thanks for the suggestion.

Here you go CheetoBlader

H4.7C.R VS J2.7C.R (20 battles, alternating launches, ties redone)

J2 Win Rate: 15% (OS: 3, KO: 0, BST: 0)
H4 Win Rate: 85% (OS: 16, KO: 0, BST: 1)
Ties: 1
(Feb. 04, 2019  10:28 PM)bladekid Wrote:
(Feb. 04, 2019  7:45 PM)CheetoBlader Wrote: H4.7C.R VS J2.7C.R

Ok, thanks for the suggestion.

Here you go CheetoBlader

H4.7C.R VS X3.7C.R (20 battles, alternating launches, ties redone)

J2 Win Rate: 15% (OS: 3, KO: 0, BST: 0)
H4 Win Rate: 85% (OS: 16, KO: 0, BST: 1)
Ties: 1

Did you do J2 or X3?
(Feb. 05, 2019  4:34 AM)CheetoBlader Wrote:
(Feb. 04, 2019  10:28 PM)bladekid Wrote: Ok, thanks for the suggestion.

Here you go CheetoBlader

H4.7C.R VS X3.7C.R (20 battles, alternating launches, ties redone)

J2 Win Rate: 15% (OS: 3, KO: 0, BST: 0)
H4 Win Rate: 85% (OS: 16, KO: 0, BST: 1)
Ties: 1

Did you do J2 or X3?

I did J2, it was just a carry-over from another test, my bad.
(Feb. 05, 2019  5:03 AM)bladekid Wrote:
(Feb. 05, 2019  4:34 AM)CheetoBlader Wrote: Did you do J2 or X3?

I did J2, it was just a carry-over from another test, my bad.

Then WOW! We found a J2 Counter!
Does H4 Have Metal On The Layer?
(Feb. 05, 2019  9:31 PM)Ardmore Bladers Wrote: Does H4 Have Metal On The Layer?

Nope no Turbo does except X4 on the very edge of the sword
(Feb. 05, 2019  9:31 PM)Ardmore Bladers Wrote: Does H4 Have Metal On The Layer?

Lol, I wish, haha. Well, the good thing is that instead of just being an OP defence and stamina type, it's just decent defence type with good stamina.

(Feb. 05, 2019  9:20 PM)CheetoBlader Wrote:
(Feb. 05, 2019  5:03 AM)bladekid Wrote: I did J2, it was just a carry-over from another test, my bad.

Then WOW! We found a J2 Counter!

J2 has been outclassed for a while. While it is an amazing dual layer, it isn't too big of a problem in a TT and even a hasbro meta. If you mean in classic, I'm to assume only 1 or 2 turbo beys will be in classic format. S4 is actually something I could see in classic because it can't equalize very well and it can be KOed pretty easily. But probably not, haha
can you try:
H4 10 Et vs B3 7G Ds?
also maybe test against SR3 0B Br?
Try H4.10B.Xt-S (BR) vs F3.7B.Br

Xtend sling shock has the second best LAD of all drivers.
Is it just me or does Eternal-S in slingshock mode deplete all of its spin within seconds?
(Feb. 07, 2019  4:22 PM)DeceasedCrab Wrote: Is it just me or does Eternal-S in slingshock mode deplete all of its spin within seconds?

well it is a large flat surface.
(Feb. 07, 2019  1:08 AM)gxpt2000 Wrote: can you try:
H4 10 Et vs B3 7G Ds?
also maybe test against SR3 0B Br?

I can. Though it may be a bit, I don't have the 10 disk but I will be getting it with P4 in a couple days.
(Feb. 07, 2019  1:08 AM)gxpt2000 Wrote: can you try:
H4 10 Et vs B3 7G Ds?
also maybe test against SR3 0B Br?
Here you go.

Test 1:

H4.10.Et-S VS B3.7G.Ds (alternating launches, ties redone)

B3 Win Rate: 20% (OS: 4, KO: 0, BST: 0)
H4 Win Rate: 80% (OS: 16, KO: 0, BST: 0)
Ties: 2

Test 2:
H4.10.Et-S VS SrS3(L).0B.Br (alternating launches, ties redone)

S3 Win Rate: 95% (OS: 19, KO: 0, BST: 0)
H4 Win Rate: 5% (OS: 1, KO: 0, BST: 0)
Ties: 0
Lucky man lucky
Oh yeah I got that bey for its tip and here's the result I got

Anubis and Hercules fought 10 battles and were launched at the same time and here's the result I got,

Anubis 10

Hercules 0

-Avery
(Feb. 12, 2019  10:46 PM)Avery Purple999 Wrote: Oh yeah I got that bey for its tip and here's the result I got

Anubis and Hercules fought 10 battles and were launched at the same time and here's the result I got,

Anubis 10

Hercules 0

-Avery

Did you Launch both at the same speed? For me the results show Hercules as a clear winner
(Feb. 12, 2019  10:51 PM)Dt20000 Wrote:
(Feb. 12, 2019  10:46 PM)Avery Purple999 Wrote: Oh yeah I got that bey for its tip and here's the result I got

Anubis and Hercules fought 10 battles and were launched at the same time and here's the result I got,

Anubis 10

Hercules 0

-Avery

Did you Launch both at the same speed? For me the results show Hercules as a clear winner

I did but my Anubis does hv the yard tip so that may hv something to do with it. -Avery
(Feb. 12, 2019  10:46 PM)Avery Purple999 Wrote: Oh yeah I got that bey for its tip and here's the result I got

Anubis and Hercules fought 10 battles and were launched at the same time and here's the result I got,

Anubis 10

Hercules 0

-Avery
What were the combos? And What Stadium, also how did you launch them at the same time?
(Feb. 12, 2019  10:46 PM)Avery Purple999 Wrote: Oh yeah I got that bey for its tip and here's the result I got

Anubis and Hercules fought 10 battles and were launched at the same time and here's the result I got,

Anubis 10

Hercules 0

-Avery

Hi, thank you for doing tests, but do you mind being more specific? Even if you are doing stock combos, please list the combos somewhere. Also how are you launching them at the same time and what stadium are you using? Also, a win rate or type of wins are recommended. Thanks!
(Feb. 10, 2019  5:17 AM)bladekid Wrote:
(Feb. 07, 2019  1:08 AM)gxpt2000 Wrote: can you try:
H4 10 Et vs B3 7G Ds?
also maybe test against SR3 0B Br?
Here you go.

Test 1:

H4.10.Et-S VS B3.7G.Ds (alternating launches, ties redone)

B3 Win Rate: 20% (OS: 4, KO: 0, BST: 0)
H4 Win Rate: 80% (OS: 16, KO: 0, BST: 0)
Ties: 2

Test 2:
H4.10.Et-S VS SrS3(L).0B.Br (alternating launches, ties redone)

S3 Win Rate: 95% (OS: 19, KO: 0, BST: 0)
H4 Win Rate: 5% (OS: 1, KO: 0, BST: 0)
Ties: 0

Oof, mind telling me your launch strengths on B3 and such? I would like to know how it’s losing because I can usually outspin the takara one.
(Feb. 13, 2019  7:06 PM)gxpt2000 Wrote:
(Feb. 10, 2019  5:17 AM)bladekid Wrote: Here you go.

Test 1:

H4.10.Et-S VS B3.7G.Ds (alternating launches, ties redone)

B3 Win Rate: 20% (OS: 4, KO: 0, BST: 0)
H4 Win Rate: 80% (OS: 16, KO: 0, BST: 0)
Ties: 2

Test 2:
H4.10.Et-S VS SrS3(L).0B.Br (alternating launches, ties redone)

S3 Win Rate: 95% (OS: 19, KO: 0, BST: 0)
H4 Win Rate: 5% (OS: 1, KO: 0, BST: 0)
Ties: 0

Oof,  mind telling me your launch strengths on B3 and such? I would like to know how it’s losing because I can usually outspin the takara one.

I use a moderate to weak launch