(Jun. 17, 2022 9:11 AM)p0l1w4g06 Wrote: I found a thread of comments did mention Speedstorm may have been overlooked becuz gimmick go bye:
"When I used Wrath Fafnir for the first vs Demise Devolos D6, it got destroyed 🔥 Speedstorm beys give QD a run for its money & most people overlooked SP 👀 Seriously under appreciated even without layer gimmicks." (Ok, what's yoir reasoning.)
"SpeedStorm was way too overhyped for the wrong reasons and many people created a lot of ridiculous speculations that gave people hopes for TT-accurate stuff in the normal Hasbro system. If it wasn't for that and if Hasbro was actually treated as a separate, independent company from TT, SpeedStorm wouldn't be underrated like it is. The layers and discs were actually really good but people seriously kept comparing Hasbro to TT when they shouldn't even have mentioned TT at all, most of the time." (Right...except its kinda sacrereligious right...?)
"Ironically I found this out first hand from experience because I was collecting Speedstorm as the biased reviews kept dropping. The SPM performance tips & fused disks were definitely upgrades compared to the slingshock gimmicks & parts. SP stadiums definitely outperformed most Slingshock stadiums. The Super King expectations killed off any momentum/popularity Speedstorm could’ve garnered. We from 4 rubber layers with Mirage Fafnir F6 to Vanish Fafnir w/no rubber (bleeped out for rules). I was so mad I took a nap but still, Hasbro should only be compared to Hasbro. That’s the only logical opinionated way to judge Hasbro beys." (Oh wait. We do do that.)
"OMG SAME XD. Like how come so many people STILL hated on Mirage Fafnir F6 despite having so much rubber (like they begged for) a good disc and a decent driver? Bruh lol" (Umm...its a speedstorm bey and can only be used on Speedstorm Layers->Way too light? Still one of the better ones becuz rubber stayed.)
"Dude I’m telling you 🔥 those layers are seriously viable for what Hasbro beys are now a days because of the whole “no gimmick” thing and there’s actually a few combos that SMACK! with F6 layers. SP just needed a touch up with some custom combos. I think hasbro bashing became a popular trend because TT creators have a big influence within the Bey community. If they say something sucks ITS LAW 😁 Which is nonsense because their out of touch with Hasbro bey products since Evolution days." (Guys, is this true?)
(Me mentioning the WBO's things)
"hat’s an even more popular issue in it’s self that doesn’t get talked about. Hasbro beys don’t have that type of format or “meta” talk, so it’s easy to overlook whatever they do because the people that advertise hasbro beys, are more about receiving sponsorship but then get on YouTube and completely trash the product cuz it’s not exactly the same as TT. This OP/Ultimate era is such a snooze fest 💤 I love TT but they took the fun out of Beyblade with DB IMO."(This is kinda true you gotta admitt, becuz everything is now just stamina and LAD, come on Xiphoid, fix this)
(me regarding the altercation a few days ago)
"yeah you have a point there. Fans have actually insulted me & gone as far trolling me on my channel, for using hasbro beys. People get so mean and nasty over this Hasbro vs TT thing but the truth is, we should be able to appreciate both for what they have to offer. I don’t like picking sides because both are dope although TT is better." (Ow. That's overkill.)
" I don't think there's more than that, but honestly a lot of the layers were still really good without them (Endbringer, Flamebringer, and Triumph come to mind)." (Triumph yes, but the other 2? Huh.)
"yeah i dont know i forgot got curse and world and thuimph is defiantly better with out the gimick because it has a really round shape (though I wish we got the limit break gimmicks)" (Triumph maybe becuz Tempest wings come out-> Stamina use no more.)
Final Conclusion:
Hasbro may be trash compared to TT, but at least its not 100% beyond redemption. Also the community maybe suffers from a bit of TT confirmation bias. Just sayin'.
Also th!nk, this isn't rash me. I've made my choice: abstaining from the TT Hasbro war. Also tried to heavily edit toa void my same mistake of invalid argument, oh wait its just 3 sources I'm biased. Sorry.
Also, am I supposed to be hate Hasbro, revere TT? Just saying in case this is becoming a cult-like bheaviour.
As you somehow managed to repeat yourself from days before with the same thing being told to you multiple times and the points explained, I'll go over it for you one more time.
"SpeedStorm was way too overhyped for the wrong reasons and many people created a lot of ridiculous speculations that gave people hopes for TT-accurate stuff in the normal Hasbro system. If it wasn't for that and if Hasbro was actually treated as a separate, independent company from TT, SpeedStorm wouldn't be underrated like it is. The layers and discs were actually really good but people seriously kept comparing Hasbro to TT when they shouldn't even have mentioned TT at all, most of the time." (Right...except its kinda sacrereligious right…?)”
Hasbro products being compared to their original Japanese products of Takara Tomy is not a negative or shouldn’t be done. If they are up to low quality compared to the ORIGINAL product then people are right to be upset and point it out. The issue is that Hasbro fans have resorted to more and more excuses to defend Hasbro which is what lead to a big decline in Hasbro. Why should Hasbro change? The fans simply make the PR's time easier for all poor business choices. What happened to SwitchStrike? Cancelled so fans get a higher marked-up product with Pro Series with terrible quality control across the series to just profit off the desperate fans. It is honestly so hilarious every single time people try to separate the two when it is BEYBLADE this isn’t some other random spinning top toy. So let’s stop trying to justify poor business choices for them. It becomes telling when ADK has to make sure the DUB has manipulated scenes and changed the dialogue to no longer mention gimmicks when the scenes show and say. Even with being compared to ONLY Hasbro, the products are terrible as we have told YOU multiple times. Speedstorm was a terrible line, even within only Speedstorm most were terrible to garbage it had at peak Wheel Hasbro and +Z Hasbro that were truly useful. The rest even in Limited is extremely outclassed.
"Ironically I found this out first hand from experience because I was collecting Speedstorm as the biased reviews kept dropping. The SPM performance tips & fused disks were definitely upgrades compared to the slingshock gimmicks & parts. SP stadiums definitely outperformed most Slingshock stadiums. The Super King expectations killed off any momentum/popularity Speedstorm could’ve garnered. We from 4 rubber layers with Mirage Fafnir F6 to Vanish Fafnir w/no rubber (bleeped out for rules). I was so mad I took a nap but still, Hasbro should only be compared to Hasbro. That’s the only logical opinionated way to judge Hasbro beys." (Oh wait. We do do that.)
"OMG SAME XD. Like how come so many people STILL hated on Mirage Fafnir F6 despite having so much rubber (like they begged for) a good disc and a decent driver? Bruh lol" (Umm...its a speedstorm bey and can only be used on Speedstorm Layers->Way too light? Still one of the better ones becuz rubber stayed.)
"Dude I’m telling you 🔥 those layers are seriously viable for what Hasbro beys are now a days because of the whole “no gimmick” thing and there’s actually a few combos that SMACK! with F6 layers. SP just needed a touch up with some custom combos. I think hasbro bashing became a popular trend because TT creators have a big influence within the Bey community. If they say something sucks ITS LAW 😁 Which is nonsense because their out of touch with Hasbro bey products since Evolution days." (Guys, is this true?)
There are more viable Slingshock Layers and performance tips than there are Surge Layers and performance tips, for Slingshock you have Revive Phoenix, Archer Hercules, Turbo Spryzen, Turbo Achilles, there is also Turbo "Switchstrike" which is Dread Hades and Turbo Valtryek V3. For performance tips slingshock has given, Yard-S, Absorb-S, Et-S, Ds-S, At-S, Dm-S, and many more. For Surge you have Triumph Dragon, and that's about it, the disks there is only has wheel and performance tips there is Ev-SP.
Hasbro at the START of Speedstorm had gimmicks on the releases that was later dropped for majority of the season, Mirage Fafnir F6 having rubber but still being worse than Drain Fafnir F3 being COMPARED to Hasbro is why F6 is garbage.
I'm gonna give you the reality that a lot of the Hasbro people on YouTube who I will not name know NOTHING about competitive or how it works, everytime they talk they are either ignorant to the points made or simply cannot make a proper response to what is said. Which is ironic because the popular opinion as I have seen many times on these threads from people who have made points and tried to dodge the actual debate is to "praise" Hasbro. It is more unpopular between the majority of the fanbase who gets Beyblades to be on the negative side.
"(Me mentioning the WBO's things) "hat’s an even more popular issue in it’s self that doesn’t get talked about. Hasbro beys don’t have that type of format or “meta” talk, so it’s easy to overlook whatever they do because the people that advertise hasbro beys, are more about receiving sponsorship but then get on YouTube and completely trash the product cuz it’s not exactly the same as TT. This OP/Ultimate era is such a snooze fest 💤 I love TT but they took the fun out of Beyblade with DB IMO."(This is kinda true you gotta admitt, becuz everything is now just stamina and LAD, come on Xiphoid, fix this)"
You don't really know much about the Takara Tomy meta so I really don't know what the hell you are talking about exactly? What exactly is the Hasbro meta with new products? Even worse performance than the previous products? Relegating a lot of Hasbro's new stuff to classic because they are not viable with the modern layers they released? DB has beys that can still burst, has attack still VERY viable with Savior and Ultimate along with Guilty it is more LAD because that is how the beys are designed when they go over the years. The meta is still there and fun, and I much rather stick to Takara Tomy then have to see new products worse than the last with parts that are not useful in anyway and chip and break easily.
"yeah you have a point there. Fans have actually insulted me & gone as far trolling me on my channel, for using hasbro beys. People get so mean and nasty over this Hasbro vs TT thing but the truth is, we should be able to appreciate both for what they have to offer. I don’t like picking sides because both are dope although TT is better." (Ow. That's overkill.)"
How is this point relevant at all? There is a difference between "appreciating both" and blinding defending either side.
" I don't think there's more than that, but honestly a lot of the layers were still really good without them (Endbringer, Flamebringer, and Triumph come to mind)." (Triumph yes, but the other 2? Huh.)"
Not really just Triumph the other two aren't true.
"yeah i dont know i forgot got curse and world and thuimph is defiantly better with out the gimick because it has a really round shape (though I wish we got the limit break gimmicks)" (Triumph maybe becuz Tempest wings come out-> Stamina use no more.)"
So you don't know what you're talking about? Tempest is the MOST viable right Sparking ring it doesn't permanently stay in the awakened wings mode it goes back to bound and has more overall stamina.
"Hasbro may be trash compared to TT, but at least its not 100% beyond redemption. Also the community maybe suffers from a bit of TT confirmation bias. Just sayin'. Also th!nk, this isn't rash me. I've made my choice: abstaining from the TT Hasbro war. Also tried to heavily edit toa void my same mistake of invalid argument, oh wait its just 3 sources I'm biased. Sorry."
Yes it is beyond redemption, we have been getting worse and worse quality per year and a severe drop in quality, QD has the most breakage I've seen compared to anything years prior. You also seem to NOT understand what confirmation bias is, confirmation bias is when you go on what you believe rather than objective facts, so if the facts are they are terrible compared to Takara Tomy and they are terrible in a modern Hasbro only meta then what bias exactly.
"Also, am I supposed to be hate Hasbro, revere TT? Just saying in case this is becoming a cult-like bheaviour."
No you can have whatever opinion you want, but that doesn't mean if you want to constantly say wrong statements that those are true and instead of properly forming your arguments you just copied and pasted 4-5 YouTube comments.
This needs to stop I can account to now KIO, Th!nk who has had to tell people with the same arguments to use logic and understand, people can like the beys and be fine with what they are, but it ends if they try to defend the beys w/o properly understanding them.