Hey guys! This is my second testing thread. I messed up a lot in the Gryph Begaridos 100RF thread, but I am applying everyone's advice to make this thread accurate and correct. Thanks!

The concept:

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This combo is an all-around balanced bey. It doesn't sound very effective, but it can pull some pretty impressive win rates. The idea behind this combo is basically that, if it can't OS, it can KO. Any combo with enough stamina to OS this will probably not have enough defense to avoid getting KOed, since lots of defense means low stamina, and lots of stamina means low defense.

The only two things this combo has been OSed by so far are 230 stamina types, and spin-stealers/left-spin defense types with CS or RDF . The left- spin beys, it cannot win against. Those are the beys you can use to counter this combo. The 230 stamina types, however, are easily KOed by the attack-type Girago chrome wheel on top of the combo. MF provides movement enough for this.

Reviser and Girago have amazing balance and stamina
when paired, as well as very low recoil against any attack combo 145 or lower. MF paired with these two chrome wheels provides it with the amazing stamina that is needs. It can still beat attack combos above 145, but, since reviser is not taking the hits, it is much more risky, meaning that the force generated when the two beys collide is much greater.

I have tried almost every chrome-wheel combination imaginable, but I could not find a combination with as much stamina and as low recoil as this combo. For instance, one of my prototypes was Reviser wyvang SA165MF, but that simply did not have enough stamina to OS if it didn't KO, since wyvang and reviser didn't balance out very well. I tried goriem, gargoyle, ifraid, Orojya, Gryph... etc. and switched chrome wheels from top to bottom, but could not find something as effective as this.

Always do a regular old bank with this combo. Deep banking will cause it to stall for a few seconds before actually moving. Banking will cause it to make contact over and over for the majority of the battle, slowly draining its opponent's stamina. Though this combo is very effective at tornado stalling, I find that it is easier for it to OS when it is making continuous contact.

Overall, this combo can KO 230 Stamina types, KO and OS stamina stamina types lower than that, intercept attack types by hitting them head on and stopping them in their tracks with a bank, and simply wait out the battle against defense types and OS them. The best counters for this combo are spin equalizers. Left spin defense can be used too, as long as they are using CS or RDF. Hope you like this!

Testing videos:

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Sorry I only have parts one and two up guys. I just didn't have time to do part three, but I will upload it as soon as I can. Probably tomorrow afternoon. Thanks for waiting!

Testing:

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Vs attack:

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Reviser Girago SA165MF vs Flash Orion GB145RF
RF sorta worn. Beylauncher with segment grip used for both. Girago launched first on all launches.
Girago: wins, 12/20 (2 KO, 10 OS)
Orion: wins, 8/10 (All KO)
Reviser Girago SA165MF win rate: 60%

Girago was able to make some pretty solid wins. When he won, it wasn't by luck at all. He would hit the other combo head on when going through the middle, and simply stop it. Then he would slowly drain its stamina and OS it, or, sometimes just KO right as he made contact.

Reviser Girago SA165MF vs Flash Orion LW160RF
Sorta worn RF. Beylauncher with segment grip used for both. Girago launched first on all launches.
Girago: wins, 12/20 (4 KO, 8 OS)
Orion: wins, 8/20 (All KO)
Reviser Girago SA165MF win rate: 60%

I got the almost the exact same results as the tests against GB145, but I can't say that no battles were won by luck. Though Girago actually still had pretty low recoil for MF (to my astonishment) it was not nearly as low as it was against GB145, but neither was Orion's, so it was hard to judge if any wins were lucky. I also don't know if this combo could stand up to R2F as well. Some of you guys could test that for me if you'd like.

Vs stamina:

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Reviser Girago SA165MF vs Phantom Cygnus 230D
Beylauncher with segment grip used for both. Cygnus launched first on all launches.
Girago: wins, 18/20 (16 KO, 2 OS)
Cygnus: wins, 2/20 (All OS)
Reviser Girago SA165MF win rate: 90%

Cygnus' 2 wins were where it got a bunch of wall saves, and then Girago got pushed into a tornado stall somehow. When it wasn't pushed into a stall, Girago OSed, but neither of them did it by much at all.

Reviser Girago SA165MF vs Phantom Cygnus AD145WD
Beylauncher L/R used for both. Cygnus launched first on all launches.
Girago: wins, 20/20 (7 KO, 13 OS)
Cygnus: wins, 0/20
Reviser Girago SA165MF win rate: 100%

This was just Girago either KOing, or Cygnus getting wall saves until it was drained and OSed.

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Reviser Girago SA165MF vs Wyvang Reviser BD145CS
CS worn. Beylauncher with segment grip used for both. Reviser launched first on all launches.
Girago: wins, 20/20 ( 2 KO, 18 OS)
Reviser: wins, 0/20
Reviser Girago SA165MF win rate: 100%

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Reviser Girago SA165MF vs Reviser Dragooon D125WD
Beylauncher L/R used for both. Dragooon launched first on all launches.
Girago: wins, 0/20
Dragooon: wins, 0/20 (All OS)
Reviser Girago SA165MF win rate: 0%

Reviser Girago SA165MF vs Reviser Dragooon BD145RDF
Slightly worn RDF. Beylauncher L/R used for both. Dragooon launched first on all launches.
Girago: wins, 0/20
Dragooon: wins, 20/20 (All OS)
Reviser Girago SA165MF win rate: 0%

Reviser Girago SA165MF vs Reviser Dragooon BD145CS
Worn CS. Beylauncher L/R used for both. Dragooon launched first on all launches.
Girago: wins, 4/20 (All OS)
Dragooon: wins, 16/20 (All OS)
Reviser Girago SA165MF win rate: 20%

This just shows Girago's inability to beat left-spin beys with high LAD.

Reviser Girago SA165MF vs Wyvang Dragooon LW160R2F
R2F prime. Beylauncher L/R used for both. Girago launched first on all launches.
Girago: wins, 20/20 (All OS)
Dragooon: wins, 0/20
Reviser Girago SA165MF win rate: 100%

I did not have 2 SA165 tracks, so I thought LW160 would have to do. Girago slammed into Dragooon head on, stopped it in its tracks, and hit it repeatedly, not allowing R2F to regain balance and speed. So R2F just sat there, not moving, and eventually got OSed. Girago just didn't have enough force behind it to KO though, and I'm not sure how it would be able to OS another SA165 track on R2F.

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Reviser Girago SA165MF vs MF-H Basalt Aquario 230CS
Worn CS. Beylauncher L/R used for both. Aquario launched first on all launches.
Girago: wins, 20/20 (11 OS, 9 KO)
Aquario: wins, 0/20
Reviser Girago SA165MF win rate: 100%

I did this test for Diblee123. I don't think this was very helpful now that I am posting it, but I guess it can give some info.

ShinobuXD's tests:

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Wyvang Dragooon SA165(ZGA Mode)RF vs MSF Revizer Girago SA165(ZGA Mode)MF
Wyvang:15 Wins(8 KO, 7 OS)
Girago: 5 Wins(All KO)
7 Ties
Revizer Girago Win Rate: 25%

I guess SA165 did a LOT better than my LW160 did. Left spin is this combo's weakness, so these are more believable tests and probably better for reference. However, shinobu did use MSF on girago, and I don't know if that effects the combo's performance negatively, but it might. Probably not though.

Meow!'s tests:

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Just tested this. It reminds me a lot of Phantom Cygnus 85MF, in that it generally kills Stamina types and Defense types, but looses to Attack and apparently Left Spin. I haven't tested it against any Left Spin beys yet though.

Reviser Girago SA165MF vs MF-H Duo Aquario W145BWD
Girago: 13/20 (3 OS, 10 KO)
Duo: 7/20 (6 OS, 1 KO)

Girago Win Rate: 65%

This was a bit harder than expected. Duo would destabilize and knock Girago out of slide path. Maybe I'm just not good with MF. Does this happen to anyone else? Anyways, most of the KOs were at the very beginning of the match. TBH I didn't really see Girago do anything this entire matchup since Reviser is on the bottom, but Revsier had a ton of smash. I'm assuming Duo made contact with the "top of Reviser". (which is on the bottom)

Reviser Girago SA165MF vs Killerken Killerken E230RS(Boost Mode)
Girago: 20/20 (5 KO, 15 OS)
Killerken: 0/20 (N/A)

Girago Win Rate: 100%

1 Tie Redone

This battle was just to prove how well thing thing does against Defense types, but specifically 230 height combos in general. I've mentioned it before, the top of Girago is extremely aggressive. For a lot of battles, Girago came really close to KOing, but RS' excellent defense managed to keep it in the stadium. I've tried CS informally and it was repeatedly shoot across the room. Don't forget, this is MF we are talking about here. Girago on an RF has no issues taking out anything 230 even on a 145 height. 230 is probably the worst choice to use against anything Girago.

Reviser Girago SA165MF vs Balro Wyvang GB145R2F
Girago: 6/20 (All OS)
Wyvang: 14/20 (All KO)

Girago Win Rate: 30%

Girago's only hope of winning was to "dodge" attacks. Aside from that, the utter lack of grip made this a relatively easy target for Balro Wyvang GB145R2F. MF didn't even net 1 KO on Wyvang. Wyvang just went to fast and completely dominated Girago. Again, if Girago was lucky and dodged the first couple hits it could probably OS.

I feel like it should have done better against Stamina, but maybe that was just my launching. 230 Stamina types are obviously crushed, but I want to test mid-range stamina types more thoroughly. If anyone else could help test mid-range Stamina combos, that would be awesome.

Counters:

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Reviser/Killerken/Genbull Dragooon B/SA165 (normal mode) EWD/WD/W2D/BWD.

Wyvang/Balro Dragooon SA165R2F (Attack Mode)

Wyvang/Balro/Gryph/Goriem Wyvang, Gryph Balro, or Gryph Begaridos (?)145/CH120/D125 R2F/RF/LRF.

(?) Dragooon BD145RDF/CS

(I prefer Reviser or Killerken, but since this combo does not have very high attack power, you can really use anything. CS ties a lot with this combo, and sometimes even loses, so CS should only be used in the absence of RDF. )

I am not posting every counter for this combo, but these are some very effective ones, and from these it is easy to tell what may or may not be able to win against this combo.

Please give me some feedback and tell me if I did anything incorrectly. I will probably be able to do any tests you want to give me myself, so you can just post and ask and I will try to get around to it. Thanks guys!

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Nice tests, how about against MF-H Basalt Aquario 230CS?

Nice tests, how about against MF-H Basalt Aquario 230CS?

Thanks! I'll get that done by 1:00 this afternoon.

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Nice tests, how about against MF-H Basalt Aquario 230CS?

Thanks! I'll get that done by 1:00 this afternoon.

that is a outclassed combo. tests are to be done with some competitive stuff. lolol

I will start with a postive thought and then move to a little less positive one.

First, kudos on using Girago with MF. When I got my 2 Giragos I noticed real quick that it seems to resist rotational recoil (basically, it doesn't lose much spin velocity when it gets hit) better than any other Chrome Wheel. Because Girago doesn't suffer from as much rotational recoil as the opponent, it doesn't lose as much spin velocity when they connect, and this is why it appears to "drain" the opponents stamina. This is also part of the reason why it is safe to use Girago on MF without worry of it getting KOed to easily.

I personally was using Girago Girago W145/SA165 MF, but I am assuming your choice of Revizer is because you do not have a 2nd Girago. Another thing that surprised me is that even using MF, it seemed to hold its own vs Diablo BD145RF. Which is a huge testament to its ability to resist rotational recoil, because I believe the reason Diablo works so well for anti-attack is that when it hits the opponent, even if it doesn't KO, the opposing attack type loses soooo much spin. I have not had time lately to do much more than play around because of a new baby so I never got to do formal tests. I am glad someone else sees the potential with Girago, and if I get some time I will try to do some Girago Girago SA165MF tests. In the meantime, I would suggest doing tests vs Diablo Kerbecs BD145RF.

Now for the little less positive thing. First of all, I think it is awesome that you are doing videos, but I would highly suggest that when you do a video, that you do it uninterrupted at least during the testing part. I noticed in both your videos that you cut out between some of your tests. If you have questionable results that you are trying to prove with a video, and the video seems edited at all, then it will have little to no credibility.

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MSF-(H) Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F/RF (teamwork combo with Ingulit)
MSF-H-Dragooon/Bahamdia Dragooon SP230GF (teamwork combo with Ga'Hooleone)
MSF-Gryph Gryph E230BSF
Genbull Genbull SR200TB/CS
Ifraid Dragooon F: D
Gargole Dragooon BD145EDS
MSF-Begirados Begirados BD145RF
Pegasis Dragooon S130LRF
Phoenic Balro TR145MF
MSF-L-Gryph Gryph SA165(normal)GF (Zero-G format)

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I will start with a postive thought and then move to a little less positive one.

First, kudos on using Girago with MF. When I got my 2 Giragos I noticed real quick that it seems to resist rotational recoil (basically, it doesn't lose much spin velocity when it gets hit) better than any other Chrome Wheel. Because Girago doesn't suffer from as much rotational recoil as the opponent, it doesn't lose as much spin velocity when they connect, and this is why it appears to "drain" the opponents stamina. This is also part of the reason why it is safe to use Girago on MF without worry of it getting KOed to easily.

I personally was using Girago Girago W145/SA165 MF, but I am assuming your choice of Revizer is because you do not have a 2nd Girago. Another thing that surprised me is that even using MF, it seemed to hold its own vs Diablo BD145RF. Which is a huge testament to its ability to resist rotational recoil, because I believe the reason Diablo works so well for anti-attack is that when it hits the opponent, even if it doesn't KO, the opposing attack type loses soooo much spin. I have not had time lately to do much more than play around because of a new baby so I never got to do formal tests. I am glad someone else sees the potential with Girago, and if I get some time I will try to do some Girago Girago SA165MF tests. In the meantime, I would suggest doing tests vs Diablo Kerbecs BD145RF.

Now for the little less positive thing. First of all, I think it is awesome that you are doing videos, but I would highly suggest that when you do a video, that you do it uninterrupted at least during the testing part. I noticed in both your videos that you cut out between some of your tests. If you have questionable results that you are trying to prove with a video, and the video seems edited at all, then it will have little to no credibility.

Thanks! You're right, I do not have 2 Girago, and Reviser seemed to work the best for me. Another girago sounds great though! I will positively do that test as soon as I can.

Some things are cut out in the video because, the camera fell over, my launcher jammed a couple times, the stadium got caught by the cord on the launcher and pulled out of view, I missed the stadium while launching one time (oops...) and I launched the bey once and it started rattling and fell apart because i forgot to tighten it. So I did not skip any actual battles, unless my launch slipped and the bey tornado stalled as soon as it hit the ground, or the two beys tied. I just skipped things in between battles that would have made it painfully long, since it can only be a certain length. I was simply trying to make it more convenient. I'll try to make them as little edited as possible though. But I may have to cut some stuff out of the next one to make it match the time limit for youtube uploads.

I posted a test for dilbee123 in the OP against Basalt Aquario 230 CS.

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(Does Girago actually have less recoil than Reviser? I only built this to KO 230 combos, but if Girago has that low recoil, then it would be able to KO some lower opponents without being KOed itself! That would be great! Oh, and would 2 Girago have as much stamina as Reviser Girago? I'd guess it would, since it should be perfectly balanced. )

P.S. Were my tests posted right?

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I know its outclassed. But its the best combo I can make. I wanted to see how well it would fare against Girago Revizer. I guess I need to collect more parts, but thats hard when you consider the fact I get only 1 new bey a month.

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I know u guys are probably going to say NO WAY,but honestly from what I have seen, I think RB has more stamina than RDF,RSF,and RS. How about against some defence RB combos?

It does have fairly low recoil. It might even have less recoil than Revizer, and its stamina is on par with Revizer. I also did some defense test with Girago Girago BD145RDF and it did surprisingly well. Revizer is still probably going to be the better choice for pure defense because of its smooth sides, but I definitely believe Girago has a place in a defense based balance custom. At one point I told Ingulit that I believe Girago will possibly take Diablo's place as the goto anti-attack wheel once more people get it.

And your test posting looks good. I personally bold the win rate just so its a tad easier to read, but that is a little nitpicky.

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MSF-(H) Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F/RF (teamwork combo with Ingulit)
MSF-H-Dragooon/Bahamdia Dragooon SP230GF (teamwork combo with Ga'Hooleone)
MSF-Gryph Gryph E230BSF
Genbull Genbull SR200TB/CS
Ifraid Dragooon F: D
Gargole Dragooon BD145EDS
MSF-Begirados Begirados BD145RF
Pegasis Dragooon S130LRF
Phoenic Balro TR145MF
MSF-L-Gryph Gryph SA165(normal)GF (Zero-G format)

Great! thanks! I can see that you are a huge fan of girago.

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A track makes a big difference...

Wyvang Dragooon SA165(ZGA Mode)RF vs MSF Revizer Girago SA165(ZGA Mode)MF
Wyvang:15 Wins(8 KO, 7 OS)
Girago: 5 Wins(All KO)
7 Ties
Revizer Girago Win Rate: 25%

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Wow! that's crazy! That was such a big difference...

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In that situation I can totally see the track making that big of a difference.

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My combos (Click to View)

MSF-(H) Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F/RF (teamwork combo with Ingulit)
MSF-H-Dragooon/Bahamdia Dragooon SP230GF (teamwork combo with Ga'Hooleone)
MSF-Gryph Gryph E230BSF
Genbull Genbull SR200TB/CS
Ifraid Dragooon F: D
Gargole Dragooon BD145EDS
MSF-Begirados Begirados BD145RF
Pegasis Dragooon S130LRF
Phoenic Balro TR145MF
MSF-L-Gryph Gryph SA165(normal)GF (Zero-G format)

How about against MF-H Phantom Cancer BD145RB? Phantom is for stamina, cancer is a good clear wheel for stamina, BD145 and MF-H are for weight so it does not get a stadium out from revizer girago, and RB is a really good defense tip, and I would pick it over RSF and RS for defense.

Phantom isn't a defense wheel he should use Death, Duo or synchrom.

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I guess I shouldn't have done those tests using an LW160 as substitute for SA165, since it is obviously not as good. As for diblee's request, That would get almost instantly OSed or KOed. That combo is, shall we say, the wrong way to combine defense and stamina. I also do not have RB, unfortunately.

Do you guys have another left-spin attacker you would like me to tests it against? I can if you want, but shinobuXD has pretty much covered it I think (thanks Shinobu ).

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Killerken Dragooon DF105LRF(Meow!'s) combo, because its so low I think it might give this thing trouble.

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I do think this might be a pretty good combo though. It actually took hits pretty well, and I was surprised, since Wyvang Dragooon SA165 R2F has pretty much ran all over anything I've put it against previously. RF has a wider surface area than MF though, so OSing was pretty easy though.

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I guess I shouldn't have done those tests using an LW160 as substitute for SA165, since it is obviously not as good. As for diblee's request, That would get almost instantly OSed or KOed. That combo is, shall we say, the wrong way to combine defense and stamina. I also do not have RB, unfortunately.

Do you guys have another left-spin attacker you would like me to tests it against? I can if you want, but shinobuXD has pretty much covered it I think (thanks Shinobu ).

It will almost never get koed. or OS ed. Phantom fusion wheel is a very good stamina wheel. It adds extra stamina to a bey because the core is plastic while the metal parrt is on the outside. RB is a Rubber Ball, it has awesome defense. And believe it or not it outspins rdf,rsf, and rs. it will win. Get RB.

I think Yous should test this with Duo ___230 MB. It is a great combo that do well with
I have been testing this for a while,
I used to try with Saramanda Girago But it doesn;t do as well as with Revizer.
I really lliked this combo but I have been too busy to test it out

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In yesterday's tournament, we had ashton pinto using Girago Girago W105MF.
From what I could notice, it did have quite a lot of Stamina. It even managed to outspin a Duo W145WD combo for some reason.
At the same time, Girago pulled off some really hardcore KOs. It only needed to make contact with the opposite beyblade, and then it was a freak KO.
Apart from resisting Rotational Recoil, this thing has that "Stopping Force" that makes the opposing Beyblade lose a hell lot of spin; something similar to what Diablo does. However, what sets it apart from Diablo is its relatively better Stamina and lack of recoil.
As this "Stopping Force" works only against Right Spin combos, its weakness to Left-Spin combos is justified.

So yeah, this was all I could notice in a short cameo of a Girago combo in yesterday's tourney.

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I've been doing some more testing guys, and I think this combo would be quite a bit better with a second Girago, so I ordered one, but will not be here for like a month. I will continue to dod tests with reviser, and I may open up a new thread with 2 girago once I get it.

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@Yuko Ray14: I tried to do some formal tests for that, but it drove me insane from boredom. I only got results for like 6 spins because the only time one would win was from a lucky KO or Os where it happened to fall on top of the other bey, or hit its spin track at the last second or something. Girago won a few, and dragooon won a few, but it was mostly just dozens of ties.

tyler Le: My friend said that he got beaten by Duo 230MB at a tournament when using this combo, but I don't have it, so I can't be sure. My guess is that it could beat it, because I tried it against Death Aquario 230MB/D and it was able to KO it quite consistently, and death has a pretty reasonable amount of defense. However, I don't know if its "draining" abilities would work on Duo, since nothing seems to be able to slow it down, haha. Could someone else test this? That would be great!

diblee123 : I'm sorry, I can see why you would think that it would be great, I really do, but it just isn't. A long time ago, I used to think that diablo on MF was the greatest attacker ever, but it was just because I didn't have the current top-tier defenders or attackers then to test it against. That combo would seem like a good idea, if you had never seen RB or phantom before, because it is combining amazing stamina with amazing defense, but until you test it against the current top combos, you just can't be sure. thanks for the idea though!

@ janstarblast: I know, right? It's just crazy awesome! I can't think of an explanation for it, but it just "drains" stamina like a super-heavy diablo! It's amazing, and it seems even better with 2 girago! I wish the mail would come sooner!

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I told you the explanation for it. It seems to "drain" the opponent's stamina because when they make contact Girago loses less spin velocity than the opponent does. That is all due to the fact it resists rotational recoil so well, as I explained in my previous post. I'm still working on finding some time to test, but as soon as do, testing Girago Girago for you is on the top of my list. Again, kudos for posting this.

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MSF-(H) Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F/RF (teamwork combo with Ingulit)
MSF-H-Dragooon/Bahamdia Dragooon SP230GF (teamwork combo with Ga'Hooleone)
MSF-Gryph Gryph E230BSF
Genbull Genbull SR200TB/CS
Ifraid Dragooon F: D
Gargole Dragooon BD145EDS
MSF-Begirados Begirados BD145RF
Pegasis Dragooon S130LRF
Phoenic Balro TR145MF
MSF-L-Gryph Gryph SA165(normal)GF (Zero-G format)

Well, I was kinda going for why and how does it resist rotational recoil. Maybe I should've been clearer... some tests would be great! It looks like the shipping for my girago #2 is gonna be delayed. I will also be in DC until thursday, so I can't test anything for a couple days.

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I saw the videos this time and this combo is so nice that I want to add it to my collection of combos : D

Really nice job!

(Awful thing that I need another Girago, another SA165 -the red one-, and one MF from Screw Lyra, would be really nice, two giragos, nice stone face, stylish red-blue track-bottom combination)

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KainHighwind- Yeah, that is true.
Resisting Rotational Recoil would probably be the aspect which allows it to retain its Stamina. However, it has that additional "stopping force" (something which we have often seen in Diablo and Jiraiya Blade) that totally drains an opponent's spin velocity. As this "stopping force" doesn't work against Left-Spin beys, it justifies Girago's weakness against Left-Spin.
Considering how well this Synchrom manages to drain an opponent's Stamina, it is phenomenal to see how it suffers from minimal recoil after that. When KainHighwind first compared it to Diablo, one would think of a heavy Synchrom with the Stamina-draining ability, and loads of recoil.
Thus, its ability to resist recoil even after being almost similar to Diablo in function, is extraordinary.
I don't know how effective this setup would be, but one thing's for sure- Girago is the highlight of this combo, and without it, this combo would not work.
Still, I think there might be better things than SA165 to use... But well, I might be totally wrong with that, haha!

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