Hey guys! I was trying this thing out the other day, and it seemed to do pretty well. I though it was high time I contribute to something, so I did some tests to see if you guys would like it!

The concept:

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This combo is a balance type. I can act as a tornado staller against left-spin combos (spin stealers or left-spin defenders) and against low-endurance right spin defenders (Reviser Reviser BD145RDF, for example), and can act as a spin-equalizer against all right-spin combos. It also doesn't do too bad against attackers. I know it's hard to believe, but it's true.

The launch:

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ALWAYS tornado stall. Against anything, period. It will intercept right-spin attackers from head on, out-run left-spin attackers, and tornado stall and OS anything else.

The parts:

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Genbull: One word... Stamina. Genbull is currently the top stamina chrome wheel available. Without genbull, this combo will usually not be able to OS other spin-stealers.

Dragooon: Left-spin, obviously.

T125: This track is a nice height, and even though GCF doesn't lean over (due to the Gear circle part) it will generally fall on its side sooner the taller the combo is, just like pretty much every other tip. So T125 provides a good, middle height that will not topple over nearly as easily.

GCF: GCF is the heart of this combo. Yes, I do have CF, but GCF actually has higher LAD. If you look closely, The flat part of GCF is equivalent to the width of XF, while CF is only as wide as WF.

From comparing the LAD of XF, WF, and GF in the past, we know that the broader the surface area on the bottom of the tip, the higher LAD the combo will have. Even though CF does spin smoother after it has toppled over, it topples over sooner, so it doesn't really matter.

You can ask thunderdome. He and I had a tournament experience with this... Genbull^2 F230CF lost to Killerken Dragooon B, but then won when we switched it to GCF, Genbull began to tie and win. So, in conclusion, IMO, GCF has higher LAD than CF. Griffin'sMaster and TheBalrog also helped me out with some GCF vs. CF tests, so you can ask them too.

GCF is also faster than CF, so when it comes to countering attack types, GCF will do a way better job. I've tried it, and there is acutally little to no difference between the stamina of GCF and CF (go figure! ).

So, all in all, GCF can intercept attackers decently, it has very high LAD (which is good, since this thing goes left...) and it can OS other left-spin combos the majority of the time.

Testing videos:

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Tests:

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equipment:

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Beylauncher L
Beylauncher L/R
3 segment grip
BB-10 attack type stadium

Vs. Attack:

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Genbull Dragooon T125GCF vs. Gryph Wyvang S130R2F
Beys alternated launching first. Pretty worn R2F.
Dragooon: wins, 14/20 (2 KO, 12 OS)
Wyvang: wins, 6/20 (All KO)
Genbull Dragooon T125GCF win rate: 70%

Dragooon did REALLY well in this compared to my informal testing. It was able to intercept Wyvang from the opposite direction and stop it in its tracks, then it just hit it over and over again and wouldn't let it recover.

Vs. Stamina:

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Genbull Dragooon T125GCF vs. Duo Cancer 230D
Cancer launched first on all launches.
Dragooon: wins, 10/10 (2 KO, 8 OS)
Cancer: wins, 0/10
Genbull Dragooon T125GCF win rate: 100%

This was a total slaughter.

Genbull Dragooon T125GCF vs Duo Cygnus W145WD
Cygnus launched first on all launches.
Dragooon: wins, 0/10
Cygnus: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Genbull Dragooon T125GCF win rate: 0%

This was a total slaughter too, just opposite. On top of stamina, cygnus is pretty much an anti-spin-stealer, so It's very understandable that Dragooon would lose

Genbull Dragooon T125GCF vs. Phatnom Cygnus W145WD
Cygnus launched first on all launches.
Dragooon: wins, 8/20 (7 KO, 1 OS)
Cygnus: wins, 12/20 (All OS)
Genbull Dragooon T125GCF win rate: 40%

I am very unimpressed with this combo's attack power. GCF is actually very hard to control, and on top of that, the only thing on the combo with any smash is dragooon, which has very little compared to other things in my experience with it. This phantom combo usually gets KOed by everything, but dragooon only took it out 7 times! And it still could only dream of KOing Duo W145WD. It just has almost absolutely no smash. The OS was when phantom went WAY off-balance right at the end.

Vs. Defense:

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Genbull Dragooon T125GCF vs. Reviser Revizer BD145CS
Worn CS. Revizer launched first on all launches.
Dragooon: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Reviser: wins, 0/10
Genbull Dragooon T125GCF win rate: 100%

This just didn't have the LAD to OS Dragooon.

Genbull Dragooon T125GCF vs. Reviser Reviser BD145RDF
Slightly worn RDF. Reviser launched first on all launches.
Dragooon: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Reviser: wins, 0/10
Genbull Dragooon T125GCF win rate: 100%

Now, I know you went all like "What?????" when you saw that, but let me explain. All that happened was that Dragooon stalled for so long, that RDF's stamina completely ran out long before the beys made contact, so Reviser couldn't spin-equalize to win. This will only work if you tornado stall Dragooon, since it doesn't have LAD to OS BD145RDF if it makes contact.

Vs. Left-spin:

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Genbull Dragooon T125GCF vs. Wyvang Dragooon SA165R2F
Pretty worn R2F. Beys alternated launching first.
Genbull Dragooon: wins, 12/20 (10 OS, 2 KO)
Wyvang Dragooon: wins, 8/20 (8 KO, 2 OS)
Genbull Dragooon T125GCF win rate: 60%

Genbull Dragooon got 2 freak-KOs at the end. I don't know how it did, but it actually threw Wyvang Dragooon over the wall. This R2F was worn, and without the 2 freak KOs at the end, I seriously doubt that this could beat Wyvang Dragooon under normal circumstances... Could someone validate this?

Genbull Dragooon T125GCF vs. Killerken Dragooon SA165WD
Beys alternated launching first. SA165 in defense mode.
Genbull Dragooon: wins, 12/20 (All OS)
Killerken Dragooon: wins, 8/20 (All OS)
Genbull Dragooon T125GCF win rate: 60%

I was very impressed with the stamina this thing had.

Genbull Dragooon T125GCF vs. Revizer Dragooon BD145RDF
Genbull launched first on all launches. New RDF.
Genbull Dragooon: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Reviser Dragooon: wins, 0/10
Genbull Dragooon T125GCF win rate: 100%

It had absolutely no problem stalling and OSing this.

Counters:

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Duo____ W145WD/EWD

Overall, I think this is a great multi-tasking combination. The only thing it will really lose to is 145 height stamina combos from my experience, and any stamina combo TH170 + is gonna get mauled. It's got great LAD, not much less than SA165EWD at all, and it's ability to counter attack types and RDF defense types makes it an especially desirable spin equalizer over things that have low defense and can't tornado stall long (IE. Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD).

Post what you think! Feel free to test it out yourself!

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The results don't surprise me. I've tested something just like this (different bottom chrome wheel) and it did well. Is there anything you would like me to test.

Actually, yes! Do you think you could try Diablo Kerbecs BD145RF? I don't really have time to test much at the moment...

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And another left spin tornado staller, Maybe MF L-Drago Guardian T125GCF

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Veteran, just getting back into the sway of things

Also against flash on r2f or mf por favor

It was time for you to contribute something... you contribute a lot man!

Anyways, I'd be willing to test this, except for two problems.
1. I don't have Genbull. Would Killerken be fine?
2. The string on my Beylauncher L is in poor condition, so I can only launch 75%. This could skew results by a couple rounds. Would you still like me to test it, with those factors in mind?

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Well, the only reason I used Genbull (and not wyvang or killerken or somethin') is because, though genbull has almost no smash, if I used anything else, it lost just enough stamina to be OSed by most left-spin stamina beys and spin stealers. IDK if it would do as well against attackers... It might actually do better. Killerken might be a decent substitute for genbull if you don't have it (since it's so hard to get). If you could actually do some tests vs. Killerken Dragooon SA165WD, just to see if the combo could still OS with Killerken, that would be totally great!

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I did a test
Gear

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Right spin set up
3 seg grip
Bey launcher r
Grip rubber
Angle compass
Grip extension
Left spin set up
Beylauncher l/r
3 seg grip

Genbull Dragooon T125 GCF vs MF-H Diablo Kerbecs BD145 RF
Genbull Dragooon T125 GCF: 12 (7 OS 5 KO)
MF-H Diablo Kerbecs BD145 RF: 8 (8 KO)

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1. Genbull OS
2. Diablo KO
3. Diablo KO
4. Genbull KO
5. Diablo KO
6. Genbull KO
7. Diablo KO
8. Genbull KO
9. Diablo KO
10. Genbull KO
11. Genbull OS
12. Genbull OS
13. Genbull KO
14. Diablo KO
15. Diablo KO
16. Genbull OS
17. Diablo KO
18. Genbull OS
19. Genbull OS
20. Diablo KO

Genbull Dragooon T125 GCF win percentage: 60%
This was a pretty close game. Genbull Dragooon was able to easily OS and sometimes KO if it survived some of the first hits from Diablo. So if Diablo couldn't get it out fast it was over.

Sweet! I was worried it wouldn't take hits from below very well... Thanks thunder!

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Is there any thin else you would like me to try? I tried Flash a little (Not 20 tests because I was rushd so I didn't post them) and Genbull Dragooon T125 GCF can beat Flash Sagitario II S130 MF pretty good so I'll try to finish this tests and post them up.

Tests against top tier stamina and if on the off chance you have two dragooon's then ____ Dragooon BD145RDF as well. Thanks.

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Tests against top tier stamina and if on the off chance you have two dragooon's then ____ Dragooon BD145RDF as well. Thanks.

Well, I already tested against Duo Cancer 230D and Duo Cygnus W145WD, and those are both top-tier stamina types. I have 3 dragooons, but I already tested against Killerken dragooon SA165WD, and it beat that. Seeing as it won against Reviser Reviser BD145RDF without even making contact, I don't think it would have any problem at all against that. Just an educated guess. I can try it, though. I'll have 'em up in a few!

Alright, here they are!

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Genbull Dragooon T125GCF vs. Revizer Dragooon BD145RDF
Genbull launched first on all launches. New RDF.
Genbull Dragooon: wins, 10/10 (All OS)
Reviser Dragooon: wins, 0/10
Genbull Dragooon T125GCF win rate: 100%

It had absolutely no problem stalling and OSing this.

Genbull Dragooon T125GCF vs. Phatnom Cygnus W145WD
Cygnus launched first on all launches.
Dragooon: wins, 8/20 (7 KO, 1 OS)
Cygnus: wins, 12/20 (All OS)
Genbull Dragooon T125GCF win rate: 40%

I am very unimpressed with this combo's attack power. GCF is actually very hard to control, and on top of that, the only thing on the combo with any smash is dragooon, which has very little compared to other things in my experience with it. This phantom combo usually gets KOed by everything, but dragooon only took it out 7 times! And it still could only dream of KOing Duo W145WD. It just has almost absolutely no smash. The OS was when phantom went WAY off-balance right at the end.

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Yes but other people need to replicate the results to prove this is a top tier combo. While educated guesses and theories are great you pretty much need to test them.

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Just put 'em up in the last post! And I wasn't really shooting for top-tier, but you're right. Could someone else test this thing out?

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For any combo other members will need to test the same things to validate your results.

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Would you mind doing a couple of comparison tests between this and the same combo on MF instead of GCF?

Yo @theblackdragon: I use GCF a LOT. It's straight tornado stalling and that's what it's good at, lots of speed and stamina depending on the combo. If you bank with it, there's a high chance you'll Self KO.

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This is one of the goofiest combos I've seen in a long time, which is awesome, haha! I'll give this one a go!

In the OP you mentioned Cygnus being anti-spin steal; I only knew of Death being strangely good at that, huh.

I really like the use of GCF to make a left-spin tornado staller. Now that I've seen the results (namely against Reviser BD145RDF) I can totally see it being a good choice! I guess I'm gonna have to finally learn to control GCF though if I'm gonna be able to use this effectively x)

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• MF-L Phantom (Attack) Cygnus 85MF
  
• MF-H Scythe Uranus 85RS
  
• MF-H Flash Orion W145MF
  
• MF-H Basalt Horogium TR145R2F
  
• Duo Cygnus 160PD
  

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• MSF-H Reviser Dragooon SA165EWD
  
• MSF-H Bahamdia Ifraid SA165R2F
  
• MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang GB145R2F
  

There is one problem with tornado stalling left vs right spin RDF- if the RDF use is smart, they'll launch aggressively and then it becomes a spin equalizing battle.

Btw I don't have a second Dragooon. Anything else you'd want?

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There is one problem with tornado stalling left vs right spin RDF- if the RDF use is smart, they'll launch aggressively and then it becomes a spin equalizing battle.

Btw I don't have a second Dragooon. Anything else you'd want?

Sure! Could you try it out against the Killerken Dragooon combo I used for some varification? Thanks! Also, I tried launching RDF aggressively, and Dragooon Still won... I can try it again though. I'll try to have that up soon.

Time: I don't think that would work very well. MF has very low LAD, and since most beys are right-spin, it would lose by OS very easily.

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Interesting concept I must say. Can you test against Flash? MF H Flash Scorpio S130 R2F? Curious how this does against flash.

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There is one problem with tornado stalling left vs right spin RDF- if the RDF use is smart, they'll launch aggressively and then it becomes a spin equalizing battle.

Btw I don't have a second Dragooon. Anything else you'd want?

Sure! Could you try it out against the Killerken Dragooon combo I used for some varification? Thanks! Also, I tried launching RDF aggressively, and Dragooon Still won... I can try it again though. I'll try to have that up soon.

Time: I don't think that would work very well. MF has very low LAD, and since most beys are right-spin, it would lose by OS very easily.

Mind doing it anyway? I would do it myself, but I don't have genbull

@ Dark_Mousey: Sure Dark! I'll have 'em up in a few!

Time: I guess I could try it, but I wouldn't get your hopes up...

Here are the tests!

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Genbull Dragooon T125GCF vs. Flash Escolpio S130R2F
Dragooon launched first on all launches.
Dragooon: wins, 15/20 (11 KO, 4 OS)
Escolpio: wins, 5/10 (All KO)
Genbull Dragooon T125GCF win rate: 75%

I was actually very suprised at this... Flash was sorta hitting low. I think if flash wasn't so light, it would've won out, since half dragooon's wins were when flash hit but went out first. GCF would catch the tornado ridge and start circling REALLY fast, and R2F would slam it from head on, and then someone usually got KOed (mostly flash).

Genbull Dragooon T125MF vs Flash Escolpio S130R2F
Dragooon launched first on all launches.
Dragooon: wins, 0/10
Escolpio: wins, 10/10 (8 KO, 2 OS)
Genbull Dragooon T125MF win rate: 0%

Sorry Time... looks like it didn't work out very well. It just didn't have the speed or LAD to withstand or OS R2F.

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Ok, if weight is needed, I am sure MSF-H Wywang Wywang GB145R2F will destroy it since MSF-H Wywang Wywang GB145R2F is VERY heavy and it has more smash than Flash does.

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I think Thief Phoenic is a better buy than Samurai Ifraid now, I really didn't think GCF and CF were that different.

Ok, if weight is needed, I am sure MSF-H Wywang Wywang GB145R2F will destroy it since MSF-H Wywang Wywang GB145R2F is VERY heavy and it has more smash than Flash does.

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I think Thief Phoenic is a better buy than Samurai Ifraid now, I really didn't think GCF and CF were that different.

Of course That would win. This thing isn't an anti-attacker or a defense type. Wyvang Wyvang absolutely destroys everything.

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