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(Mar. 25, 2021  9:28 PM)AlexTheBlader Wrote: Can I get any suggestions for my deck?

World Spriggan 2D Rise

Rage Helios II 3A Evolution’ (Awakened)

Master Diabolos Around Zone’ + Z

The first combination, from my experience, does quite well in both same and opposite spin matches, despite the 2D barrier being infamous for terrible same spin stamina. If you know how to launch it correctly, I'd say it's a solid combination. If you'd like more LAD at the cost of same spin stamina, swap Rise for Drift.
The second combination is great, though I'd add a metal chip core to it for a little more weight.
The last combination is what I believe could use some work. It's not bad, but I've personally had Master on Zone'+Z burst multiple times to my Judgement. This may be because it's (Quite literally) in mint condition, but it's still worrisome nonetheless. I suggest swapping it out for a right spin killer like Tempest Solomon/Diabolos Wheel Atomic/Orbit Metal 1S.
(Mar. 25, 2021  9:41 PM)#Fafnir Wrote:
(Mar. 25, 2021  9:28 PM)AlexTheBlader Wrote: Can I get any suggestions for my deck?

World Spriggan 2D Rise

Rage Helios II 3A Evolution’ (Awakened)

Master Diabolos Around Zone’ + Z

The first combination, from my experience, does quite well in both same and opposite spin matches, despite the 2D barrier being infamous for terrible same spin stamina. If you know how to launch it correctly, I'd say it's a solid combination. If you'd like more LAD at the cost of same spin stamina, swap Rise for Drift.
The second combination is great, though I'd add a metal chip core to it for a little more weight.
The last combination is what I believe could use some work. It's not bad, but I've personally had Master on Zone'+Z burst multiple times to my Judgement. This may be because it's (Quite literally) in mint condition, but it's still worrisome nonetheless. I suggest swapping it out for a right spin killer like Tempest Solomon/Diabolos Wheel Atomic/Orbit Metal 1S.
Alright. The thing is I have master on around so it scrapes on it while trying to click which should stop it from bursting. Also why not tempest 2b atomic?
(Mar. 25, 2021  10:27 PM)AlexTheBlader Wrote:
(Mar. 25, 2021  9:41 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: The first combination, from my experience, does quite well in both same and opposite spin matches, despite the 2D barrier being infamous for terrible same spin stamina. If you know how to launch it correctly, I'd say it's a solid combination. If you'd like more LAD at the cost of same spin stamina, swap Rise for Drift.
The second combination is great, though I'd add a metal chip core to it for a little more weight.
The last combination is what I believe could use some work. It's not bad, but I've personally had Master on Zone'+Z burst multiple times to my Judgement. This may be because it's (Quite literally) in mint condition, but it's still worrisome nonetheless. I suggest swapping it out for a right spin killer like Tempest Solomon/Diabolos Wheel Atomic/Orbit Metal 1S.
Alright. The thing is I have master on around so it scrapes on it while trying to click which should stop it from bursting. Also why not tempest 2b atomic?

Ah ok, I completely forgot about Master's synergy with Around haha.
As for why I don't recommend Tempest on Atomic 2B, 2B is:
A. Unable to spin freely when used with the Tempest ring
B. Outclassed by 2S, 2A, and Wheel 1S (In that order).
So, if burst resistance is your main concern, definitely go for 2A over 2B for the previously mentioned reasons.
(Mar. 25, 2021  10:43 PM)#Fafnir Wrote:
(Mar. 25, 2021  10:27 PM)AlexTheBlader Wrote: Alright. The thing is I have master on around so it scrapes on it while trying to click which should stop it from bursting. Also why not tempest 2b atomic?

Ah ok, I completely forgot about Master's synergy with Around haha.
As for why I don't recommend Tempest on Atomic 2B, 2B is:
A. Unable to spin freely when used with the Tempest ring
B. Outclassed by 2S, 2A, and Wheel 1S (In that order).
So, if burst resistance is your main concern, definitely go for 2A over 2B for the previously mentioned reasons.
I had 2A but 2A is too small for tempest where the rubber doesn’t make any impact. Could I maybe try adding Lucifer II to hold burst resistance on 1S Wheel Atomic?
(Mar. 25, 2021  10:51 PM)AlexTheBlader Wrote:
(Mar. 25, 2021  10:43 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: Ah ok, I completely forgot about Master's synergy with Around haha.
As for why I don't recommend Tempest on Atomic 2B, 2B is:
A. Unable to spin freely when used with the Tempest ring
B. Outclassed by 2S, 2A, and Wheel 1S (In that order).
So, if burst resistance is your main concern, definitely go for 2A over 2B for the previously mentioned reasons.
I had 2A but 2A is too small for tempest where the rubber doesn’t make any impact. Could I maybe try adding Lucifer II to hold burst resistance on 1S Wheel Atomic?
the Lucifer 2 chip is unbalanced, so the stamina will be worse. and 2A doesn't need to make contact with the rubber for stamina beys. for attack beys the rubber should make contact, but for stamina beys the chassis actually shouldn't make contact.
(Mar. 25, 2021  10:51 PM)AlexTheBlader Wrote:
(Mar. 25, 2021  10:43 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: Ah ok, I completely forgot about Master's synergy with Around haha.
As for why I don't recommend Tempest on Atomic 2B, 2B is:
A. Unable to spin freely when used with the Tempest ring
B. Outclassed by 2S, 2A, and Wheel 1S (In that order).
So, if burst resistance is your main concern, definitely go for 2A over 2B for the previously mentioned reasons.
I had 2A but 2A is too small for tempest where the rubber doesn’t make any impact. Could I maybe try adding Lucifer II to hold burst resistance on 1S Wheel Atomic?

The rubber doesn't actually have to protrude for 2A to be useful, though I recommend using Wheel 1S over 2A anyways.
Lucifer II may increase burst resistance, but unless you're using something like Hollow Lucifer II 4A, I don't recommend using it over Solomon or Diabolos due to the placement of the metal on the chip.
(Mar. 25, 2021  10:53 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote:
(Mar. 25, 2021  10:51 PM)AlexTheBlader Wrote: I had 2A but 2A is too small for tempest where the rubber doesn’t make any impact. Could I maybe try adding Lucifer II to hold burst resistance on 1S Wheel Atomic?
the Lucifer 2 chip is unbalanced, so the stamina will be worse. and 2A doesn't need to make contact with the rubber for stamina beys. for attack beys the rubber should make contact, but for stamina beys the chassis actually shouldn't make contact.

(Mar. 25, 2021  10:58 PM)#Fafnir Wrote:
(Mar. 25, 2021  10:51 PM)AlexTheBlader Wrote: I had 2A but 2A is too small for tempest where the rubber doesn’t make any impact. Could I maybe try adding Lucifer II to hold burst resistance on 1S Wheel Atomic?

The rubber doesn't actually have to protrude for 2A to be useful, though I recommend using Wheel 1S over 2A anyways.
Lucifer II may increase burst resistance, but unless you're using something like Hollow Lucifer II 4A, I don't recommend using it over Solomon or Diabolos due to the placement of the metal on the chip.
Makes sense. I do know that it goes off balanced but I would be worried against rage. But now that I think of it, we don’t really have many attack rights here in Florida and if it’s right spin killer I could make sure to not put it against rage, but if I do if I’m caught off guard I can light launch it, and it should put spin rage.

Alright so my new deck is
World Spriggan 2D Drift/Rise (Undecided)
Rage Helios II 3A Ev’ (Awakened)
Tempest Lucifer I 1S Wheel Atomic.

Last thing, how is my brothers deck, I’m giving him my zone’ + z combo.

Master Diabolos Around Zone’+Z (Left)
Mirage Diabolos 2S Xtend+ (Left)
Lord Achilles Vangaurd Bearing (Right)

Could I also possibly make a combo with ignition’?
(Mar. 25, 2021  11:10 PM)AlexTheBlader Wrote:
(Mar. 25, 2021  10:53 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: the Lucifer 2 chip is unbalanced, so the stamina will be worse. and 2A doesn't need to make contact with the rubber for stamina beys. for attack beys the rubber should make contact, but for stamina beys the chassis actually shouldn't make contact.

(Mar. 25, 2021  10:58 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: The rubber doesn't actually have to protrude for 2A to be useful, though I recommend using Wheel 1S over 2A anyways.
Lucifer II may increase burst resistance, but unless you're using something like Hollow Lucifer II 4A, I don't recommend using it over Solomon or Diabolos due to the placement of the metal on the chip.
Makes sense. I do know that it goes off balanced but I would be worried against rage. But now that I think of it, we don’t really have many attack rights here in Florida and if it’s right spin killer I could make sure to not put it against rage, but if I do if I’m caught off guard I can light launch it, and it should put spin rage.

Alright so my new deck is
World Spriggan 2D Drift/Rise (Undecided)
Rage Helios II 3A Ev’ (Awakened)
Tempest Lucifer I 1S Wheel Atomic.

Last thing, how is my brothers deck, I’m giving him my zone’ + z combo.

Master Diabolos Around Zone’+Z (Left)
Mirage Diabolos 2S Xtend+ (Left)
Lord Achilles Vangaurd Bearing (Right)

Your brother's deck sounds solid, a few small chances I'd make:
Master is solid, and though there are better GT chips to use, Around and Zone'+Z should compensate.
I'd swap Xtend+ for Destroy' on Mirage, gives it a better chance against Rage and he's already got Master for a left spin equalizer.
I'd swap Vanguard for 0Cross and Bearing for Xtend+, gives it a better chance against Rage and other attack combinations.
Other than that, I'd say you and your brother are good to go for the next tournament.
(Mar. 25, 2021  11:18 PM)#Fafnir Wrote:
(Mar. 25, 2021  11:10 PM)AlexTheBlader Wrote: Makes sense. I do know that it goes off balanced but I would be worried against rage. But now that I think of it, we don’t really have many attack rights here in Florida and if it’s right spin killer I could make sure to not put it against rage, but if I do if I’m caught off guard I can light launch it, and it should put spin rage.

Alright so my new deck is
World Spriggan 2D Drift/Rise (Undecided)
Rage Helios II 3A Ev’ (Awakened)
Tempest Lucifer I 1S Wheel Atomic.

Last thing, how is my brothers deck, I’m giving him my zone’ + z combo.

Master Diabolos Around Zone’+Z (Left)
Mirage Diabolos 2S Xtend+ (Left)
Lord Achilles Vangaurd Bearing (Right)

Your brother's deck sounds solid, a few small chances I'd make:
Master is solid, and though there are better GT chips to use, Around and Zone'+Z should compensate.
I'd swap Xtend+ for Destroy' on Mirage, gives it a better chance against Rage and he's already got Master for a left spin equalizer.
I'd swap Vanguard for 0Cross and Bearing for Xtend+, gives it a better chance against Rage and other attack combinations.
Other than that, I'd say you and your brother are good to go for the next tournament.
I can’t really change the chip as I have a lot of Achilles, Master, Valkryie and an dragon chip so I have nothing like Spriggan and Longinus to change. I also don’t have the cross frame so if there’s anything I should put instead since I do agree Xtend+ is better than bearing.
(Mar. 25, 2021  11:10 PM)AlexTheBlader Wrote:
(Mar. 25, 2021  10:53 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: the Lucifer 2 chip is unbalanced, so the stamina will be worse. and 2A doesn't need to make contact with the rubber for stamina beys. for attack beys the rubber should make contact, but for stamina beys the chassis actually shouldn't make contact.

(Mar. 25, 2021  10:58 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: The rubber doesn't actually have to protrude for 2A to be useful, though I recommend using Wheel 1S over 2A anyways.
Lucifer II may increase burst resistance, but unless you're using something like Hollow Lucifer II 4A, I don't recommend using it over Solomon or Diabolos due to the placement of the metal on the chip.
Makes sense. I do know that it goes off balanced but I would be worried against rage. But now that I think of it, we don’t really have many attack rights here in Florida and if it’s right spin killer I could make sure to not put it against rage, but if I do if I’m caught off guard I can light launch it, and it should put spin rage.

Alright so my new deck is
World Spriggan 2D Drift/Rise (Undecided)
Rage Helios II 3A Ev’ (Awakened)
Tempest Lucifer I 1S Wheel Atomic.

Last thing, how is my brothers deck, I’m giving him my zone’ + z combo.

Master Diabolos Around Zone’+Z (Left)
Mirage Diabolos 2S Xtend+ (Left)
Lord Achilles Vangaurd Bearing (Right)

Could I also possibly make a combo with ignition’?
Igniton’ Idk about. For your deck, switch 1S wheel out with 2A because 1S wheel bursts a lot. For your brothers deck, wheel instead of vanguard.
(Mar. 25, 2021  11:23 PM)AlexTheBlader Wrote:
(Mar. 25, 2021  11:18 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: Your brother's deck sounds solid, a few small chances I'd make:
Master is solid, and though there are better GT chips to use, Around and Zone'+Z should compensate.
I'd swap Xtend+ for Destroy' on Mirage, gives it a better chance against Rage and he's already got Master for a left spin equalizer.
I'd swap Vanguard for 0Cross and Bearing for Xtend+, gives it a better chance against Rage and other attack combinations.
Other than that, I'd say you and your brother are good to go for the next tournament.
I can’t really change the chip as I have a lot of Achilles, Master, Valkryie and an dragon chip so I have nothing like Spriggan and Longinus to change. I also don’t have the cross frame so if there’s anything I should put instead since I do agree Xtend+ is better than bearing.

I believe Glaive is the next best disk frame for LAD, it should work in Cross's place.
(Mar. 25, 2021  11:10 PM)AlexTheBlader Wrote: Could I also possibly make a combo with ignition’?
Perfect Phoenix Ignition' works quite nicely, though you could probably substitute Perfect Phoenix for World or Tempest.
(Mar. 25, 2021  11:39 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: Igniton’ Idk about. For your deck, switch 1S wheel out with 2A because 1S wheel bursts a lot. For your brothers deck, wheel instead of vanguard.
I haven't really had issues with Wheel Atomic 1S bursting, though I guess you could use 2A over Wheel 1S if you want to err on the side of caution. As for Wheel Bearing on Lord, I don't suggest it. Even Lord 0Cross Xtend+ will sometimes burst, I can't imagine what Wheel Bearing would be like.
(Mar. 25, 2021  11:40 PM)#Fafnir Wrote:
(Mar. 25, 2021  11:23 PM)AlexTheBlader Wrote: I can’t really change the chip as I have a lot of Achilles, Master, Valkryie and an dragon chip so I have nothing like Spriggan and Longinus to change. I also don’t have the cross frame so if there’s anything I should put instead since I do agree Xtend+ is better than bearing.

I believe Glaive is the next best disk frame for LAD, it should work in Cross's place.
(Mar. 25, 2021  11:10 PM)AlexTheBlader Wrote: Could I also possibly make a combo with ignition’?
Perfect Phoenix Ignition' works quite nicely, though you could probably substitute Perfect Phoenix for World or Tempest.
Would hasbro glaive work?
(Mar. 25, 2021  11:44 PM)AlexTheBlader Wrote:
(Mar. 25, 2021  11:40 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: I believe Glaive is the next best disk frame for LAD, it should work in Cross's place.
Perfect Phoenix Ignition' works quite nicely, though you could probably substitute Perfect Phoenix for World or Tempest.
Would hasbro glaive work?

I don't believe there's a difference between Hasbro and TT frames, so a Hasbro Glaive should work.
(Mar. 25, 2021  11:47 PM)#Fafnir Wrote:
(Mar. 25, 2021  11:44 PM)AlexTheBlader Wrote: Would hasbro glaive work?

I don't believe there's a difference between Hasbro and TT frames, so a Hasbro Glaive should work.
Alright, thanks.
Does someone know of any solid combos, here are the parts (all takara tomy):
Layers: Master Diabolos, sieg xcalibur, winning valkyrie, union achilles (no union sword), helios volcano, hyperion burn, Wolborg
Disks: 3, 00, 0, 12, 5, 0, Convert, Cho, Ou.
Frames: Bump, Expand
Drivers: Atomic(x2), Xtend+, Volcanic, Generate, Xceed', Zone'
Attachments: +X chip, +Z chip

Thank You
(Mar. 26, 2021  2:44 PM)connorwazhere Wrote: Does someone know of any solid combos, here are the parts (all takara tomy):
Layers: Master Diabolos, sieg xcalibur, winning valkyrie, union achilles (no union sword), helios volcano, hyperion burn, Wolborg
Disks: 3, 00, 0, 12, 5, 0, Convert, Cho, Ou.
Frames: Bump, Expand
Drivers: Atomic(x2), Xtend+, Volcanic, Generate, Xceed', Zone'
Attachments: +X chip, +Z chip

Thank You

Try Master Diabolos2 (Left Spin) 00Expand Zone’+Z. You can also try Helios2 Volcano Ou Zone’+Z, since this stock combo is also good.
(Mar. 26, 2021  3:01 PM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Mar. 26, 2021  2:44 PM)connorwazhere Wrote: Does someone know of any solid combos, here are the parts (all takara tomy):
Layers: Master Diabolos, sieg xcalibur, winning valkyrie, union achilles (no union sword), helios volcano, hyperion burn, Wolborg
Disks:  3, 00, 0, 12, 5, 0, Convert, Cho, Ou.
Frames: Bump, Expand
Drivers: Atomic(x2), Xtend+,  Volcanic, Generate, Xceed', Zone'
Attachments: +X chip, +Z chip

Thank You
Thanks I will try them.
Try Master Diabolos2 (Left Spin) 00Expand Zone’+Z. You can also try Helios2 Volcano Ou Zone’+Z, since this stock combo is also good.
Can I have a good attack and stamina/defense combo? Here are the TT parts that I have and think are worth listing

(I have the gold variant lucifer from rb 24 if that makes a difference)
sparking rings:
variant
tempest
jet
super
king
rage
curse

sparking chips:
lucifer1
helios1
hyperion1
dragon
longinus
wyvern
satan

chassis:
1D x 2
3A
1B
1A x 2
2D

layer bases:
judgment
union

gt chips:
dragon1
achilles

discs:
sting
around
0
00 x 3 (one is painted)
10

frames:
glaive
flow
star
meteor x2

drivers:
atomic
bearing
orbit
just
xceed
zone
xtend+
destroy'
hold'
(Mar. 26, 2021  4:25 PM)Master_chanter0 Wrote: Can I have a good attack and stamina/defense combo?  Here are the TT parts that I have and think are worth listing

(I have the gold variant lucifer from rb 24 if that makes a difference)
sparking rings:
variant
tempest
jet
super
king
rage
curse

sparking chips:
lucifer1
helios1
hyperion1
dragon
longinus
wyvern
satan

chassis:  
1D x 2
3A
1B
1A x 2
2D

layer bases:
judgment
union

gt chips:
dragon1
achilles

discs:
sting
around
0
00 x 3 (one is painted)
10

frames:
glaive
flow
star
meteor x2

drivers:
atomic
bearing
orbit
just
xceed
zone
xtend+
destroy'
hold'
attack- rage helios 1 3a Xceed (left attack)
defense/stamina- tempest Lucifer 1 1A atomic (right defense/destabilizer)
attack- judgment achilles with judgment joker weight sting destroy' (right attack with stamina and LAD)
jet hyperion1 2D bearing (spin stealer against left beys)
(Mar. 26, 2021  4:25 PM)Master_chanter0 Wrote: Can I have a good attack and stamina/defense combo? Here are the TT parts that I have and think are worth listing

(I have the gold variant lucifer from rb 24 if that makes a difference)
sparking rings:
variant
tempest
jet
super
king
rage
curse

sparking chips:
lucifer1
helios1
hyperion1
dragon
longinus
wyvern
satan

chassis:
1D x 2
3A
1B
1A x 2
2D

layer bases:
judgment
union

gt chips:
dragon1
achilles

discs:
sting
around
0
00 x 3 (one is painted)
10

frames:
glaive
flow
star
meteor x2

drivers:
atomic
bearing
orbit
just
xceed
zone
xtend+
destroy'
hold'

Rage Helios1 Destroy' or Xceed 3A (for Attack

Tempest Lucifer Xtend+ 1A (for Defense/Stamina,good LAD too)
so im wanting 3 combos....a stamina type, attack type, and defense type

here are the parts...

Dead Phoenix
Revive Phoenix
Cho-Z Achilles
Cho-Z Valkrie
Chain Kerbeus
Zet Achilles
Master Diabolos
Nightmare Longinus
God Valkrie

0
10
00
Blitze
4
11
6v

Atomic
Friction
Xtend+ (its cho z achilles driver)
Spiral
Legend Spriggans Driver
Xtend
Genesis
Destroy
Reboot

All of these are TT
(Mar. 31, 2021  6:37 AM)pika2442 Wrote: so im wanting 3 combos....a stamina type, attack type, and defense type

here are the parts...

Dead Phoenix
Revive Phoenix
Cho-Z Achilles
Cho-Z Valkrie
Chain Kerbeus
Zet Achilles
Master Diabolos
Nightmare Longinus
God Valkrie

0
10
00
Blitze
4
11
6v

Atomic
Friction
Xtend+ (its cho z achilles driver)
Spiral
Legend Spriggans Driver
Xtend
Genesis
Destroy
Reboot

All of these are TT

Cho-z Valkyrie 0 vortex destroy
Cho-z Achilles 00 Friction
Perfect Phoenix blitz atomic
ok thanks a lot
I've been accumulating Hasbro tops that I find on sale/clearance and would like to participate in a tournament in the WBO Burst Standard format. I don't have time to get any Takara Tops since the tournament is next week. Please assist me in either building me a Stamina, Defense, and Attack combo based on what I have or what tops I can go out and buy from Hasbro.

These are the Hasbro tops that I have,

Thank you.

Rudr R5 7 Linear-H
Balar B4 6 Spiral-S
Venom Devolos D5 Vanguard Bullet I-H
Curse Satomb S6 Hurricane Universe-SPM
Glyph Dragon D5 Sting Charge III-H
Cosmic Apocalypse A5 Vanguard Coil-H
Solar Sphinx S5 6 Jagged-H
Phantom Driger S 2 Zeta-S
Fang Dragoon F 7 Jaggy-S
Crystal Dranzer F 4 Tower-S
Wyvron W3 4Glaive Atomic
Turbo Spryzen S4 0Wall Zeta-S
Xcalius X4 1' Sword-S
Air Knight K4 12Expand Eternal-S
Turbo Achilles A4 00 Dimension-S
Sphinx S4 Blitz Keeper-S
Brave Valtryek V6 Aero' Evolutional-SP
Eclipse Evo Devolos D5 8' Rise-H
Spear Dullahan D6 Boost Fusional-SP

Hasbro Pro Series
Cho-Z Valtryek Zenith-P Destroy'
Cho-Z Achilles 1' Absorb
Cho-Z Achilles 00 Dimension
Judgement Joker J5 00 Trick-H
Orb Engaard Sting-P Quest
(Apr. 04, 2021  1:19 AM)Trsal Wrote: I've been accumulating Hasbro tops that I find on sale/clearance and would like to participate in a tournament in the WBO Burst Standard format. I don't have time to get any Takara Tops since the tournament is next week. Please assist me in either building me a Stamina, Defense, and Attack combo based on what I have or what tops I can go out and buy from Hasbro.

These are the Hasbro tops that I have,

Thank you.


Hasbro beys are pretty weak compared to GT-Sparking beys, consider getting some TTs if you want to compete in other standard format tournaments.
Turbo Spryzen S4 - 00/0 Wall - Linear-H/Dimension-S/Rise-H should be able to out spin most beys that aren't using Drift in opposite spin, TS4 is probably Hasbros best defense layer too. Avoid launching this one with full power if you can.
Turbo Achilles A4 - Sting-P - Atomic should do well vs same spin opponents, not sure if it can keep up with the heavier TT beys.
Cho-Z Valtryek/Cho-Z Achilles - 00/0 Expand - Destroy' is an attack type with good opposite spin stamina. Hasbro's dash drivers aren't as burst resistant as TT's but the layers have burst stoppers.

I don't think any of these do too well vs Tempest with Wheel+Xtend+ or Rage with pmuch any disk/driver, which are pretty common beys.