OK, but why is nobody using Lost Longinus Gravity Hold and weak launching, knowing that it wins very easily against most Beyblades?
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(Mar. 14, 2017 9:37 PM)Kai-V Wrote: Dark Deathscyther yes, but not so sure about Deathscyther.
Deathscyther tramples all over L2 with ease.
(Mar. 14, 2017 8:59 PM)Jimmyjazz39 Wrote: nobody at my tournament owned a D or D2 which can counter it correct? i think that was his downfall
This seems odd to me. Those should probably be the first burst bey that anyone buys.
(Mar. 14, 2017 11:48 PM)Ultra Wrote: This seems odd to me. Those should probably be the first burst bey that anyone buys.
most of the people there seemed like newbies. most had mainly hasbro burst; another had the 5 main dual layers (V2 S2 R2 K2 W2) but only used them stock. almost no one seemed to be competitively skilled besides me Yami and RandomBlader64
For those who are curious, the names of the examples given for the design contest TAKARA-TOMY and CoroCoro are holding are:
http://beybladeburstnews.tumblr.com/post...A%E5%AE%9A
(from left to right) Spin Dasher, Splash Shark, Shadow Assassin, Maimai Escargot, Fullmetal Gigantima(?).
All designs and names we will consequently never see in Burst hah.
http://beybladeburstnews.tumblr.com/post...A%E5%AE%9A
(from left to right) Spin Dasher, Splash Shark, Shadow Assassin, Maimai Escargot, Fullmetal Gigantima(?).
All designs and names we will consequently never see in Burst hah.
We saw a glimpse of that Revolve recolour in CoroCoro, but there is yet another set-of-four exclusive Driver recolours campaign with CoroCoro. This time, they are platinum recolours of Jaggy, Zephyr, Revolve and Press.
https://beyblade.takaratomy.co.jp/info_d...myPost=567
The campaign starts March 18th and involves keeping receipts of your Beyblade Burst purchases, so of course this is an incentive to really buy the new God Layer Series products, which some Japanese have calculated cost over $100 just for this month, no shipping...
https://beyblade.takaratomy.co.jp/info_d...myPost=567
The campaign starts March 18th and involves keeping receipts of your Beyblade Burst purchases, so of course this is an incentive to really buy the new God Layer Series products, which some Japanese have calculated cost over $100 just for this month, no shipping...
now that custom disk that have a core and a frame exist in burst, i wonder if support parts will ever be made, where they can be put onto the driver.
i wonder if blade bases will ever exist in burst, where the driver become essentially the spin gear.
some of the frames remind me of some supports parts from plastic generation, G looks like twin guard, and C looks like cros.s survivor
i wonder if blade bases will ever exist in burst, where the driver become essentially the spin gear.
some of the frames remind me of some supports parts from plastic generation, G looks like twin guard, and C looks like cros.s survivor
(Mar. 14, 2017 12:21 AM)ThaKingTai Wrote: You have less of a chance of making contact with the bey and if you do manage to hit it, it's gonna be difficult to knock it out. You'd need to scale up the beys and everything else for it to work.
Guess there's zero chance of us getting the tense tournament atmosphere and emphasis on the bladers' skills that's so often pitched in the anime then... What a shame.
They at least owned a K2 right? I think it's pretty logical to pick K2 since it's a defense type layer, and it's useful against L2 according to the type map, and it's pretty much another L2 counter. Don't have published test results to back it up yet, so I will be doing just that on the weekends.
(Mar. 16, 2017 12:23 AM)TrainiacJ Wrote:
r u serius
Yes, and there's nothing wrong with taking a hobby seriously. You'd be far less likely to pull off MOQ hop stalling because the opening above the stadium is way too small to allow this, or Kensuke's standing launch because its far more likely for your bey to hit your opponent's launcher than actually hitting the stadium.
(Mar. 16, 2017 1:55 AM)Bastillon Wrote: Yes, and there's nothing wrong with taking a hobby seriously. You'd be far less likely to pull off MOQ hop stalling because the opening above the stadium is way too small to allow this, or Kensuke's standing launch because its far more likely for your bey to hit your opponent's launcher than actually hitting the stadium.
Likewise though, just imagine yourself launching a Beyblade standing... They would need to weigh way more to be able to absorb that shock and not rebound crazily far. So no, current Beyblades are not built to be able to do that.
(Mar. 16, 2017 1:55 AM)Bastillon Wrote: Yes, and there's nothing wrong with taking a hobby seriously. You'd be far less likely to pull off MOQ hop stalling because the opening above the stadium is way too small to allow this, or Kensuke's standing launch because its far more likely for your bey to hit your opponent's launcher than actually hitting the stadium.
There's nothing wrong with loving your hobby and being serious with it, as long as people don't take it overly seriously.
![[Image: 1703_g1_004.jpg]](https://beyblade.takaratomy.co.jp/category/img/1703_g1_004.jpg)
I am not sure this was posted already: there will be a purple recolour of the Valkyrie Layer.
(Mar. 14, 2017 7:30 PM)Kai-V Wrote: OK, but why is nobody using Lost Longinus Gravity Hold and weak launching, knowing that it wins very easily against most Beyblades?
Yami did beat my DHR with L2KH in the Swiss Rounds 3-1 or 3-2 (two of his round wins coming via OS), to my amazement. I think there's definitely some difference in the molds of Hold because in my testing, L2 on Hold absolutely never outspins Deathscyther no matter what launch technique I try. I also didn't know how to launch against it properly going into that battle, but figured by the end that doing a relatively hard launch in the centre is the best bet; if you get knocked off balance and your opponent's Hold is good, you will probably lose.
That being said, we discovered later on that DHD shuts down L2 on Hold completely. Generally speaking, L2 isn't actually that great against Deathscyther. If I had to rank its (competitive) Stamina/Defense opponents from hardest to easiest opponent for L2 on a very general level, it would be like this:
1. Dark Deathscyther (Hardest)
2. Deathscyther
3. Wyvern
4. Neptune
5. Odin (Easiest)
(Mar. 16, 2017 4:50 PM)Kai-V Wrote: I am not sure this was posted already: there will be a purple recolour of the Valkyrie Layer.
Is it too much to ask for that they finally fix Valkyrie's teeth with this release?
(Mar. 15, 2017 1:36 PM)Kai-V Wrote: We saw a glimpse of that Revolve recolour in CoroCoro, but there is yet another set-of-four exclusive Driver recolours campaign with CoroCoro. This time, they are platinum recolours of Jaggy, Zephyr, Revolve and Press.
Need the Zephyr and Revolve ...
The new valkyrie and kreis look awesome by far from all the burst releases. I wonder how much it'll cost to get a hold of them.
(Mar. 16, 2017 11:24 PM)Oi Shinji Wrote: https://namu.wiki/w/%ED%83%91%EB%B8%94%E...8%EB%AC%BC
Why are you posting that?
Know what sucks? When your parents won't let you get a stadium. RIP Mint Survive. You will be missed.
(Mar. 16, 2017 6:40 PM)Kei Wrote: Yami did beat my DHR with L2KH in the Swiss Rounds 3-1 or 3-2 (two of his round wins coming via OS), to my amazement. I think there's definitely some difference in the molds of Hold because in my testing, L2 on Hold absolutely never outspins Deathscyther no matter what launch technique I try. I also didn't know how to launch against it properly going into that battle, but figured by the end that doing a relatively hard launch in the centre is the best bet; if you get knocked off balance and your opponent's Hold is good, you will probably lose.
That being said, we discovered later on that DHD shuts down L2 on Hold completely. Generally speaking, L2 isn't actually that great against Deathscyther. If I had to rank its (competitive) Stamina/Defense opponents from hardest to easiest opponent for L2 on a very general level, it would be like this:
1. Dark Deathscyther (Hardest)
2. Deathscyther
3. Wyvern
4. Neptune
5. Odin (Easiest)
You guys, don't just talk about Layers...
In all seriousness though, how Lost Longinus performs on Hold is more closely related to the variant of the Hold and how the user launches it (the balance of the L2 is also important, but that's beside the point right now) than the Layer of a right-spinning opponent. The Disk and Driver of the right-spinning opponent will be a larger determinant in whether L2 Hold will be able to outspin it. Right-spin Revolve with a Life After Death Disk (Spread, Ring, Infinity) seems to be L2 Hold's biggest weakness (you will need to weak launch it in case the L2 user tries to go for the KO, which they should as soon as they know they're up against right-spin Revolve) as it can outprecess Hold and outspin it by a few rotations by rolling on the Disk.
The variant of the Hold probably also plays a big factor in what L2_H can outspin. There is going to be natural variance between how freely the tip of Hold spins and how much the tip "tilts" up and down - hypothetically, I would think the ideal hold spins very freely and only tilts at a very small angle, if not remaining completely flat with the rest of the Driver. My Hold is good enough for me to be able to OS Deathscyther/Odin/D2 Heavy Defense with L2SH consistently (so is Sniper's, he 3-0ed a Heavy Defense setup with L2GH a couple months ago), apparently Yami's is even better if he could OS Revolve with it (though you weren't using Infinity), and maybe Mitsu's isn't as good as mine if he couldn't beat DHD with it.
Just for reference, I Sliding Shoot my Hold at about 10/20% power near the center of the Stadium, if you're wondering how I'm launching it to get these results.
(Mar. 14, 2017 8:56 PM)Kai-V Wrote:(Mar. 14, 2017 8:55 PM)Jimmyjazz39 Wrote:OK and why did he suddenly not dominate at Toronto?(Mar. 14, 2017 7:30 PM)Kai-V Wrote: OK, but why is nobody using Lost Longinus Gravity Hold and weak launching, knowing that it wins very easily against most Beyblades?i guarantee @[Yami] was using L2KH weak launched at A&C because it absolutely dominated at my tournament.
He did dominate with L2KH in Toronto for the most part - his one loss in Swiss was when he decided to use VKT rather than L2KH against JesseObre's DHD and lost 2-3, and he only didn't make it past the first round of the finals because he was unlucky enough to be matched up against Kei (in a Deck Format second encounter no less).
There's just way too many factors at play to make such generalizations about Burst, or Beyblade as a whole - it's very rare for anything to be absolute.