To Kai-V about the sway topic:

Argh, I'm actually not done with that post yet, I stop with a question just because I don't have sufficient time to finish it completely. But anyway it is.

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Let the wings of hope spread to the whole world!

New story :
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Yoku-s-s...ary-Hereos

Actually, Wyvang and Dragooon are not the only chrome wheels to have distictively differing weights amongst each other. THE BEYWIKI NEEDS AN UPDATE.

I have three Saramandas (all three have stickers) and all of them broke 31g, which is insane considering that Saramanda is normally around 30,4-30,6 grams.

IIRC one of my Revizers fell short of 30g- at 29.6-29.8 grams, but I'll post my chrome wheel weights ASAP.

Also has anyone had trouble with MF? Almost every time i launch it it fails to ride the TR and sometimes even goes to and stays in the middle (like Driger S' MCB or DEMS' Metal Change Core).

Just a few things for th!nk's post:

Burn:
- My Hasbro Burn weighs a flat 32.00 g
- I should have kept a trail on my research, but here is looking back the two main source for the mold differences.
- http://ameblo.jp/getta86/entry-10591987845.html Mold 1 and 2
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHdtDrds5v0 Mold 2 and 3 (video; around the 7:00 mark)
I should also mention that the mold description were confused on Beywiki (1 was 2 and vice versa). I fixed it, but I must also apologize for the mistake, considering I wrote it.

My Phantom weighs the same as yours, give or take 0.01 g.

My two Leones weigh 36.68 g and 36.74 g respectively, which concur with your own, and about 1 or 2 others scattered on the forum. However, it should be noted that they're all booster Leones (i.e. the green ones). Kei, who uploaded everything directly to Beywiki (hence the lack of concordant weight), probably had the Starter version (i.e. the purple one). So, it would be useful to get some of those weighed.

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Hm, even kyoganken has something around thirty-six, and I just weighed my Booster and BB-22 Leone Wheels and they also get rounded up to 37 grams. I bought my Leone Booster very early, so I doubt there could really have been a mould difference so soon in Metal Fight Beyblade.



Man, say what you want, even though yes it will make things slightly more complex, but all these mould discoveries are really exciting for me : we needed something new and relatively important like this, hah.

Man, say what you want, even though yes it will make things slightly more complex, but all these mould discoveries are really exciting for me : we needed something new and relatively important like this, hah.

Totally agree. Different moulds can only be a good thing for the metagame - particularly now things have wound down a bit. More options is always good, right? I would love to see a properly formatted list with the differences.

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Nocto: Wow, that is a huge weight for a Burn. Did I somehow get unlucky in my Hasbro one? Will need to get more weights, I think.

The other molds - 2/3 is the one I am concerned about. I know Okiblaze used to have a similar approach to part care as I do (glorious death in battle > sitting in a pristine case) and that's what I'm concerned could be the cause - that outer lip being pushed inward. I've got a super deck set mold and plenty of earlier releases and having used them all, they all look very, very similar now. I have a super deck set I was using for a tournament prize sitting in my room, and I do need a new Libra (mine is beat up beyond belief) - may be able to get the cash by cleaning some cars or something and we can do a little experiment, perhaps? Or I can compare it with my near mint one from RB5. Hmmmmmm....
Unless they had started producing Mold 3 well before BB-96 and somehow my RB5, RB6 and Burn Phoenix Burns are all mold 3, and my Hasbro Burn also with the same channels? I think the best thing I can do is get a picture of each of my burns, and see if you can tell the difference (though I don't know where each of them came from bar the Hasbro one and the Burn Unicorno SW145JB one, which I can tell because it's the heaviest).
EDIT: There's no significant difference between my Burn Unicorno one and my new Super Deck Set one - like .2g, so if they did make a change with BB-96 they compensated for it weight-wise, perhaps over-compensated as those are my two heaviest. Anyway, underside pics will be coming soon, will make a new post for those. (Yes, this discussion just cost me $20 I hope you're all happy (I am - the Libra and Pegasis are a bit heavier than my old ones! Though on the other hand, I must have got my grey Cancer stickers from another release, presumably wherever my trans dark yellow one came from, which is a shame as I need new ones.))


Mm, I'm going to update the Phantom weights soon, the one listed is from a particularly heavy one if it's even a legitimate weight (42.0 and 2.5 are very round and I cannot find a source after a lot of searching in likely locations) but there's plenty of data - though it's full wheel weight, not components, an average can be used and subtracted, I think. Either way that's next on my "non-trivial-tasks" list after one or two PM's I need to get back to, Vulcan's mold difference section and the Limited Testing Requests thread.

As for Leone, if I remember correctly (would have to check my PM's) I spoke to Kei and he basically confirmed the weights on there that I've questioned were off - I'm not sure where they came from, but yeah. I'll pull up a full list of the ones that are off and see how many weights we have for each.

One thing I am interested in is Pegasis weights, particularly Pre-BB-96 ones. The weight for it on beywiki is off a bit anyway but Kei and I did see a bit of a difference between weights that I think deserves investigation.

As I mentioned, Pisces is also a point of interest as the other premium returns releases were beefed up a bit too.


RDF3: I think I mentioned Saramanda, if not I just forgot to do so as I had planned - that is one that Kain Highwind reported. Full weights and underside pictures would be excellent if you could provide them!

As for Revizer, one of mine is a little lighter than one would expect from normal variation, however I do not see any visible difference or anything. Again, more data will usually make these things clear!

Man, say what you want, even though yes it will make things slightly more complex, but all these mould discoveries are really exciting for me : we needed something new and relatively important like this, hah.

Yeah, I dislike that they did it in an expensive set, but I enjoy this sort of thing, and I agree - it is definitely a good "project" per se. I've always had a big interest in this stuff so it's really great to have other people interested to check/confirm everything

So yes, the great mold difference hunt has truly begun. [Image: OHFk7Ae.png]

Totally agree. Different moulds can only be a good thing for the metagame - particularly now things have wound down a bit. More options is always good, right? I would love to see a properly formatted list with the differences.

Yep, I agree that we should have a topic for the discussion, and eventually we can move a list from the OP to beywiki or the like. Got a couple things I need to get done first but will look into whipping something up when those are done, if no one else does in the mean time (which I'd be glad for someone to do - lets me focus on other things).


Oh, by the way, given how freely Takara's orange f230 spins, I have an experiment I can't carry out myself to look into a possible cause. Need someone with a non-Takara-Orange F230 they don't mind rendering permanently illegal for the experiment (it would also be best if it were not heavily used i.e. not suffered a large amount of internal wear), and like 10-20 bucks and purchasing ability for the one supply needed (and a screwdriver to disassemble the F230), oh and the ability to stay quiet about the whole thing for an indefinite period of time. If anyone reading this fits those criteria, shoot me a PM and we can get to work. A Takara F230 for comparison would be extremely useful but is not necessary.
Don't want to post details publicly until I know the results (though obviously I'm more than happy to explain the "experiment" to staff via PM), given the nature of the experiment and possible outcomes.

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This should be sufficient for a new post. Here is an imgur galler of close-ups of each of my Burn's channels. Angle isn't dead-on on all of them, but that should be visible so you know.
http://imgur.com/a/QMYhJ

I have a record of which is which, and there should be a mix of mold two and three, but I don't want to state which is which just yet in case that biases results. I only know which bey I got three of them from for sure, but I have guesses as to the others, and can provide this when people have taken a shot at identifying them.

Oh and if you want to take wear into account, from mint to heavily used: 5, 1, 6, 3, 2, 4.

Oh and as for those beywiki weights for Metal System:

And yeah, you're right about those weights. I think I or Anubis/Guardian Odin or whoever was working on them might have pulled them from here, actually: http://homepage3.nifty.com/hind/sub10-3.htm Back when those articles were created, I didn't have a proper scale and probably figured those would be good enough. Obviously, our standards have increased since then, though.

There you go, source for the weights - take a gander at some of those CW weights while you're there if you want a laugh. Clearly, that site is not a good reference for weights, that's the same guy that we got a lot of plastics weights from and those often clash with mine. So, those can be disregarded. Up to you guys whether you want to delete them before we get new averages worked out or wait.
Likely Affected Pages (articles with weights to nearest gram that are identical to that site):
http://wiki.worldbeyblade.org/index.php/Pegasis_105F
http://wiki.worldbeyblade.org/index.php/Leone_145D
http://wiki.worldbeyblade.org/index.php/Bull_125SF
http://wiki.worldbeyblade.org/index.php/Wolf_D125B
http://wiki.worldbeyblade.org/index.php/Gemios_DF145FS
http://wiki.worldbeyblade.org/index.php/L_Drago_105F
http://wiki.worldbeyblade.org/index.php/Virgo_DF145BS

Possibly Affected:
http://wiki.worldbeyblade.org/index.php/Escolpio_WD145B is again only given to a whole number, but is 1g lighter than the weight that site gives.

(Oh, and http://wiki.worldbeyblade.org/index.php/Sagittario_145S is missing a weight, and we don't have a page for Aries - it's one of the few MFB that don't even have a stub)

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Should there be a Mold 3, I would say that pictures 1 and 3 would be it, 5 and 6 Mold 2. Pictures 2 and 4 look like Burn's been hammered inward (not unlike OkiBlaze's). In any case, I don't think the difference is so huge that someone can just pick up a Burn Wheel and eyeball it (I didn't) with total certainty.

Some Metal System weights (all from boosters):
Wolf: 33.96 g, 34.25 g 36 g*
Sagittario: 32.90 g, 33.65 g (0.75 g is an interesting difference)
Pegasis: 34.60 g 36 g*
Aries (from the Honk Kong three-pack; only have the one): 34.05 g
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My BB-01 and BB-05 Pegasis also get rounded to 35 grams.

Should there be a Mold 3, I would say that pictures 1 and 3 would be it, 5 and 6 Mold 2. Pictures 2 and 4 look like Burn's been hammered inward (not unlike OkiBlaze's). In any case, I don't think the difference is so huge that someone can just pick up a Burn Wheel and eyeball it (I didn't) with total certainty.

Sources (no particular order):
2x BB-96 MF-F Burn Cancer 90WD (1 Known, think I know which the other is but not 100% sure)
1x BB-82 RBV5 Burn Unicorno SW145JB (Known)
1x BB-59 Burn Phoenix 135MS (Takara, purchased soon after I signed up here, which was before BB-96's release)
1x BB-100 RBV6 Burn Escolpio 100RF
1x BB-59 Burn "Fireblaze" 135MS (Hasbro, Mid-Late Metal Fusion (definitely post-BB-96's release, Known)

By current theory I should have two Mold 2's, One of whatever Hasbro used (their release pre-dated BB-96 though I got mine well after that), and 3 Mold Threes.

And more importantly, what I think/know of where each of them came from:
1: Hasbro Burn Fireblaze (Metal Fusion Starter)
2: Unknown - likely BB-96 MF-F Burn Cancer 90WD, but could be BB-100 Burn Escolpio 100RF.
3: Unknown - inverse of #2 - likely BB-100, but possibly BB-96
4: Unknown - think this is my Takara Burn Phoenix one given the wear. Would be really good if I knew for sure and also that it wasn't dented inwards but then that is what caused me to suspect there may not be a real mold 3 in the first place.
5: BB-96 MF-F Burn Cancer 90WD
6: RBV5 Burn Unicorno SW145JB - See this looks like the above one to me, adjusting for shininess (which makes the outer wall of #5 look a bit thinner than it is).

They're also in weight order from lightest to heaviest (though #5 is not currently in my weight document), for what it's worth, however the weights are all very similar, lots of crossover etc etc.

The thing is, side-on I also don't see any difference in the relative heights of the outer walls of the channel, which would happen if the channel was further out that way, and the other wall does not appear at all thicker. Can't be 100% on the latter without calipers (however from looking at #5, which should be mold 3, and #4, which is the only one I think could be Mold 2, I'm like 99% sure they're the same, and from what I can tell of OkiBlaze's video, that applies there as well), but the former I can show:
Here's #4 and #5 Side-By-Side. Not the clearest photo but it should be sufficient.
I had to rotate them to different positions so the ends of the channels didn't interfere with perspective, and of course #4 is dented inwards, so it looks like it doesn't extend as far - focus on the height/vertical thickness instead basically.
http://i.imgur.com/SPh2DXp.jpg

As you can see, basically the same.

You mention you didn't eyeball yours - do you have a mold 2 that is measurably different to mold 3? If so, how did you verify this?

Some Metal System weights (all from boosters):
Wolf: 33.96 g, 34.25 g 36 g*
Sagittario: 32.90 g, 33.65 g (0.75 g is an interesting difference)
Pegasis: 34.60 g 36 g*
Aries (from the Honk Kong three-pack; only have the one): 34.05 g
*Beywiki

So Pegasis is not from BB-96? Well, then there probably isn't a difference in those then. SGTO is probably just random variation too:

Here are the weights for my Pegasis Wheels:

Black (BB-21/BB-05?): 35.22g
BB-96: 34.50g

That's an almost significant difference, I guess. Although, I can't identify any differences in mold. The only mold change for Pegasis that I've ever heard of was the pre-release version (as in, before the BB-00 Prototype Pegasis was released) to the final version that was released.

I asked Kei about this on a hunch - all the other Metal System Rereleases bar Pisces had mold changes when released around that time, but if your booster one is just 34.6, that's well within the weight range of my two BB-96 ones so it's likely just variation.

Also damn, there go my hopes of Wolf maybe being somewhere near 36g and somehow not being useless offensively haha, though with how many people owned that thing back in the day it was a silly thing to hope for.


Anyway, I went back and flicked through the weights of MFB thread.
Here are the major posts where people posted a lot of weights:
OP Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?...3K4C#gid=0
Uwik: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Weights-...#pid577328
Byser's Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?...mbFE#gid=2
Arupaeo: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Weights-...#pid566809 (no mold/manufacturer info)
Ingulit: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Weights-...#pid978803
My Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?...d2c&gid=20

There are more scattered throughout the thread that aren't in the OP, particularly from page 4-9 or thereabouts but yeah.

Anyway, between them we do have data on each of the Metal System wheels affected by what we saw. Only one weight for Gemios (Uwik's), but nonetheless, the data is there whenever anyone wants to fix that up (I will probably do it in the next few days depending how various things pan out, but if anyone else wants to calculate averages and update the articles, be my guest).

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CAUTION: This message has nothing to do with mold differences!


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8JyzHC-J7rk

In this video the youtuber (Just so you guys know, I'm not hating on this guy or anything, he's actually pretty good and I often watch his videos) used RS and E230 in his limited combos, which kinda destroys the whole reason of the limited format. I hope people don't just get older parts (RS) and make there old combos and call them "limited format combos" in the future :\

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Pony King ? God, can't believe I typed this. I have to put my keyboard in the dishwasher now...

dude are you a gangster

LOL did you asked Midnight to take that pic?

When a monochrome picture is posted on WBO, it doesn't mean that it's always from Midnight.

I wouldn't trust someone with that many Cancer faces.

Well damn.

@[The Supreme One] Soul Baez V145AS

There's nothing else really to do or say except wait for the Superbowl, but I'm only here so I don't get fined.



Time. *gets up and leaves*

We won't have tournaments in the winter. Cause we are not one of those Canadian people where they just go outside like nothing happened to their hands.

i like my coffee like i like my men B)



i don't like coffee

I never have.

*Ginga*.. you're drunk bro... go home.. : )

Tbh SGMS & BDMS are kinda worthless.
MSUV is a far better spent investment; DGMF is even better IMO.

Um what? You're just saying that because you're a dragoon fanboy...

Why would I be suspended????

HMS summarised:




Anything not Tornado Type S:  Wolborg will leave you #rekt




Otherwise:  Go crazy with Ultimate Grip Flat 




For something less cookie-cutter:  Jiraiya sure is sexy

Is Wolborg 2 useless for competitive play?

Extremely useless. 
Now, if you come upon one I'll just PM you my address so you can throw it away. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I wasn't looking for Beyblade Underwear, I swear

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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8JyzHC-J7rk

In this video the youtuber (Just so you guys know, I'm not hating on this guy or anything, he's actually pretty good and I often watch his videos) used RS and E230 in his limited combos, which kinda destroys the whole reason of the limited format. I hope people don't just get older parts (RS) and make there old combos and call them "limited format combos" in the future :\

It was a simple mistake, from his reply to my comment (the making of which required me to do a billion things seeing as I've not used it since youtube did "the thing"), he just wasn't aware.
Seems like a pretty cool guy though, and he has an account here, though he's only got a couple of posts, so let's not jump on him about it aight everyone?

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I'm not jumping on him lol. I even put that I wasn't in my post (with zankye being a pretty touchy situation here, I made sure I did.).

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Pony King ? God, can't believe I typed this. I have to put my keyboard in the dishwasher now...

dude are you a gangster

LOL did you asked Midnight to take that pic?

When a monochrome picture is posted on WBO, it doesn't mean that it's always from Midnight.

I wouldn't trust someone with that many Cancer faces.

Well damn.

@[The Supreme One] Soul Baez V145AS

There's nothing else really to do or say except wait for the Superbowl, but I'm only here so I don't get fined.



Time. *gets up and leaves*

We won't have tournaments in the winter. Cause we are not one of those Canadian people where they just go outside like nothing happened to their hands.

i like my coffee like i like my men B)



i don't like coffee

I never have.

*Ginga*.. you're drunk bro... go home.. : )

Tbh SGMS & BDMS are kinda worthless.
MSUV is a far better spent investment; DGMF is even better IMO.

Um what? You're just saying that because you're a dragoon fanboy...

Why would I be suspended????

HMS summarised:




Anything not Tornado Type S:  Wolborg will leave you #rekt




Otherwise:  Go crazy with Ultimate Grip Flat 




For something less cookie-cutter:  Jiraiya sure is sexy

Is Wolborg 2 useless for competitive play?

Extremely useless. 
Now, if you come upon one I'll just PM you my address so you can throw it away. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

I wasn't looking for Beyblade Underwear, I swear

Oh I know, man, don't worry, wasn't aimed at you. Just mentioned that as a "just in case" thing for others

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You mention you didn't eyeball yours - do you have a mold 2 that is measurably different to mold 3? If so, how did you verify this?

No, I meant I didn't eyeball yours. I ran them through Photoshop, aligned them and used the integrated ruler. It's not perfect, but it's better than just guessing. And no, I only have two Hasbro Burns, one of which is probably sitting in a puddle of dry varnish/paint remover. Dragooon aside, I've never had many duplicate Metal Wheels.

And it is quite possible that there is no Mold 3. It wasn't very well documented back them, but it seemed a better idea to include it at the time. Considering that Beyblade molds are unlikely to be made at micrometre precision, it could be something that falls in mold inconsistencies.

So Pegasis is not from BB-96? Well, then there probably isn't a difference in those then. SGTO is probably just random variation too:

I asked Kei about this on a hunch - all the other Metal System Rereleases bar Pisces had mold changes when released around that time, but if your booster one is just 34.6, that's well within the weight range of my two BB-96 ones so it's likely just variation.

Also damn, there go my hopes of Wolf maybe being somewhere near 36g and somehow not being useless offensively haha, though with how many people owned that thing back in the day it was a silly thing to hope for.

I can't see any differences between my Sagittarios, so you're probably right. That and/or the coat of paint is uncommonly thick. It's not as plausible as if it had been home-painted, but still a possibility.

Wolf really has no redeeming quality, mine even get stuck on the prongs half of the time.

Anyway, between them we do have data on each of the Metal System wheels affected by what we saw. Only one weight for Gemios (Uwik's), but nonetheless, the data is there whenever anyone wants to fix that up (I will probably do it in the next few days depending how various things pan out, but if anyone else wants to calculate averages and update the articles, be my guest).

I think I prefer the idea of having a minimum and maximum value for each Wheel whenever possible. So, I wouldn't waste my time doing averages, unless you want the data for personal use.

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Excuse me for disrupting this discussion on Burn, but the other day, I noticed something interesting about the hole in one of my orange F230's axis where the peg goes in to keep the axis aligned. After taking apart both of my new orange Hasbro F230s, I saw that the better of my two F230s had a differently shaped opening at the top of its axis than any of my other F230s':

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Both of my red, my brown, and my one other orange F230s all have the same depressed, conic shaped hole as the two to the right, and all of their performances are about equally poor. However, the axis to the left is simply flat where all of my others decline.

To confirm that it was the odd axis that was truly enhancing performance and not some other factor, I swapped the axis of that particularly exceptional F230 with the depressed conic axes of my other F230s, reassembled them, and hand spun them again. I observed that regardless of color, the F230 with that one odd axis spun for about a second longer than any of the others with the depressed conic axes. I also noticed that the F230 with the flat axis rattled less, which I'd assume is the result of having better coverage on that peg.


Both of these orange F230s were brand new and unused at the time I took them apart and photographed their axes, so their difference in shapes can't be the result of wear (from extensive use like before, ha ha).

So, yeah, people with different types of F230, please check this out for yourselves. Might be the real explanation behind the big performance gap between Takara's orange F230 and just about every other version.

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This is what we all want, Brad.

Being the bearer of bad news again - my Takara orange one is a depressed cone, like the middle and right-hand ones in your pictures.

Honestly from how freely it spins I strongly suspect it's not a matter of molding at all, which is the basis of the experiment I need a hand with that I mentioned a few posts back.

And it is quite possible that there is no Mold 3. It wasn't very well documented back them, but it seemed a better idea to include it at the time. Considering that Beyblade molds are unlikely to be made at micrometre precision, it could be something that falls in mold inconsistencies.

This is basically along the lines of what I suspect - somewhere between inconsistencies and wear we've seen a mold where there isn't one. If there is an actual difference, I'm hoping someone comes forward with an unused copy of each mold to show it.

Wolf really has no redeeming quality, mine even get stuck on the prongs half of the time.

Spectacular haha. That saves me 5 bucks.

I think I prefer the idea of having a minimum and maximum value for each Wheel whenever possible. So, I wouldn't waste my time doing averages, unless you want the data for personal use.

Personally, I like the idea of having each of them - minimum and maximum would be more useful than an average if I had to choose one, but the average provides relevant information too, especially with a larger sample size. But yeah, no worries.

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Just endured finger suicide by not realizing I was trying to put the TT Eight Balance on a Sonokong plastic...welp

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Being the bearer of bad news again - my Takara orange one is a depressed cone, like the middle and right-hand ones in your pictures.

Honestly from how freely it spins I strongly suspect it's not a matter of molding at all, which is the basis of the experiment I need a hand with that I mentioned a few posts back.

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Since your Takara orange F230 has that same shaped axis, your suspicions are probably closer to the truth. Still, the fact remains that there's another mold of the F230 axis which slightly enhances performance, though not to the extent whatever the other, more significant factor has... O_O

Wish I could help.

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This is what we all want, Brad.

Being the bearer of bad news again - my Takara orange one is a depressed cone, like the middle and right-hand ones in your pictures.

Honestly from how freely it spins I strongly suspect it's not a matter of molding at all, which is the basis of the experiment I need a hand with that I mentioned a few posts back.

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Since your Takara orange F230 has that same shaped axis, your suspicions are probably closer to the truth. Still, the fact remains that there's another mold of the F230 axis which slightly enhances performance, though not to the extent whatever the other, more significant factor has... O_O

Wish I could help.

Yeah, still something and definitely something very notable within this mold differences discussion that has come to dominate this thread lately, but not quite what you're after. Good eye though.

Well, if you ever decide you don't need one of those to be legal any more, let me know, because so far no one has contacted me offering to help out and I really think I'm on to something - mostly a matter of seeing if the result is overkill or not.

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Not 100% sure what its mention is suggesting, but any media attention is a good thing, right? http://www.thehindu.com/features/metropl...796099.ece

Basically saying that despite the show ending or something that interest hasn't dipped dramatically, instead it slowly tapers off. That's a good thing - says there's enough in the game that the show isn't the only thing keeping people interested.

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I wish Quetzalcoatl was actually competitive in Limited, it's just so purdy.

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It's not bad by any means, just not all that good against taller opponents, and generally speaking Pegasis outshines it pretty significantly.

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It's not bad by any means, just not all that good against taller opponents, and generally speaking Pegasis outshines it pretty significantly.

Yeah I know, I just meant more on the line of top tier, which is where it gets outshined like you said. And since I own Pegasis, Gravity, and Lightning, it would be kinda silly to run Quetzalcoatl lol. Though I did use JB instead of MB that one tournament...

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