(Jun. 04, 2019 2:40 AM)Grimlock_Ollie Wrote: (Jun. 02, 2019 4:46 AM)MagikHorse Wrote: Sure, the disk is heavy, but Under is altogether unimpressive and not a big impact in terms of overall weight and definitely isn't enough to make it "light" in any regard (not that lightness is anything you'd desire in your disk anyways. Most competitive disks are on the heavier end). Pretty sure Under only really worked with Twin Nemesis anyways, as it lined up with its upper attack slopes and could boost them slightly. Beyond that, you're hurting yourself more than you're helping. I'd honestly say being frameless is better than using Under here since you honestly have more LAD without a frame on top of a lower scrape risk.
I have never had Friction spiral around the stadium. Although I don't doubt that it's possible to catch onto the tornado ridge and go zooming around, it's so ridiculously unlikely that it's not worth running an incredibly terrible driver just for a <1% chance of it happening, especially since that likely wouldn't last for long and would kill your Stamina at the same time. It's not really desirable to do even if you could pull it off regularly, as it doesn't help you best Attack types and drains your Stamina rapidly against other Defense/Stamina types so what's the point of doing so anyways?
Friction's rubber is never making it bounce back into the stadium, as it'll never be able to lean in the pockets enough for the rubber to strike the ground from there. Layers are just too wide for that to be possible, especially on a GT bey.
Ok, not trying to start anything here, but I DO recall in one of my threads, you doubted something similar to blade alignment... now it is bought up as a fact... ok.... I mean, Under isn't the best frame, but it is confirmed to be the most frame. By far, it's not unimpressive because it has the shape of Achilles (Sure, Achilles isn't the best bey, but again, he is the most beavy bey)
Fricton does spiral around the stadium. With a strong enough launch or an angled launch, it is possible.
Is it true that Friction cannot bounce back into the stadium? It happens rarely with me...
Not being judgmental or anything, but based on your threads and comments that I've been seeing for a while, you are the type of Blader who is probably too immersed with anime logic. Either that, or you simply are trying too hard to say you have experience with certain Beyblade parts.
Under Frame is undeniably effective probably for Twin Nemesis (as MagikHorse has mentioned) alone. Even I had difficulty understanding what you meant by "a good balance between heavy and light weights", but I'll assume you were saying that it is probably "heavy enough to maintain balance/precession for the combo, but light enough to not let DB self-Burst too quickly in a match". If that is so, it probably would still not be worth it to have the Frame due to scrape risk which will inevitably affect the combo's LAD (that is crucial to winning aside from KOs and Bursts). Either it be Frameless instead or with Bump/Proof/Glaive/Cross for the said LAD potential.
Moving on to Friction, I do seem to remember that at very hard launches you can make the Bey move slightly faster near the tornado ridge, but not simply too powerful enough that it catches on the said ridge to "boost" itself back into the stadium. Even if you say it can be done by tilting your launch or doing a banking shoot, I really doubt the rubber on the Driver would be able to catch the stadium without the Layer and/or Disk/Frame already scraping the stadium floor first (unless you have worn down your Friction Driver to the extent that the rubber ring indeed can touch the floor with just a minor tilt, which is highly unlikely). It only "works" in the anime.
Just to let you know though, don't trash me, because I do own all of the parts and have enough experience (albeit not professional level) to say what I have said above regarding each part's effect in battle.
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