(Apr. 08, 2018 11:05 PM)Frostic Fox Wrote: (Apr. 08, 2018 5:24 PM)Breedo Wrote: That goes two ways, nobody is saying he created the toy but you could just as well say anyone else only created the toy or the producers of the anime only created the anime...
Let's run this a different way, somebody makes a manga on rollerblades and call it rollerblades, he's assigned by the ones selling roller blades to do this and after his manga is used as a basis for a anime, the manga was very short so they do everything a lot differently but most of the main elements are there.
People would not be wrong to say this hypothetical person created roller blades as a story concept which others then followed. If they say Takao Aoki is the creator of the beyblade show then no that's incorrect, he is creator of it's blueprint however, thus the creator of beyblade as a story. (unless everything was micromanaged from the higher ups)
It's the same as if somebody did a full length movie on a short story, the author didn't make the movie but he still made the story.
The root question is who we can say created/invented Beyblade, the original idea and all, and the answer is Osamu Mashimo. You can say Takao Aoki was at the heart of creating the story and helped make Beyblade what it is today, but you can't call him the creator.
The manga didn't come first. The toy came first. To liken to your example, the toy is the original written work and the manga is the movie. Why would you say Warner Brothers created Harry Potter? They are responsible for what they actually created, and that's the movies, but they did not come up with the idea.
No one is saying Takao Aoki doesn't deserve credit for helping Beyblades get to where they are today or making the image we see them for. But giving him credit for the very idea of the whole thing itself is incorrect. Call him the "original story creator" but don't call him the original creator. There is a clear difference that you're not making.
I could see this whole conversation stemming from a misunderstanding. I mean, since we call the original series in English just "Beyblade" while the whole toy franchise is also "Beyblade". So if you want to say he created "Bakuten Shoot Beyblade", that would be more correct.
Yes, there's a difference between creating a toy and creating a story. When people say beyblade they can mean three things... the toy, the show and the story (Which is in this case the manga)
As a response to the harry potter example, you could in the same way say J.k. Rowling did not create harry potter cause there already existed wizards and even a character called harry potter before she wrote the books. People would still say she created them even though most of the creatures such a boggarts ect are pre-existing creatures. In myth and legend.
Osamu Mashimo is the creator of the toy, Takao Aoki is the creator of the story concept of beyblade, and the producers of the anime were the one's responsible for defining the story.
I think you would be right to call all three examples the creators of beyblade cause it all depends on what you refer to when you say beyblade, I think a lot of people refer to the story and characters rather then the game itself, but then again it's okay to disagree with me on the specifics...
at the end of the day, i think a better example is perhaps the show Dexter the deviated from the books and did their own thing but Jeff Lindsay is still the creator of Dexter, cause he created the world characters and the very sandbox they were playing in. It does not mean he invented serial killers or even the idea of the anti-hero that kills for justice.
Anyways I think we are deviating from the subject. I think all answers are correct from a different angle and perhaps we should agree it was more of a joint effort.
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