Heads up guys, this thread will be merged into the original B Discussion thread soon.

http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-B-D-Discussion

Heads up guys, this thread will be merged into the original B Discussion thread soon.

http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-B-D-Discussion

Woah! Phew... I couldn't find it. I guess I should've just posted here. Sorry about that. Thanks Uwik!

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@theblackdragon I agree. However I'm not completely sure, but I've heard somewhere that B: D has bad balance, which causes the bey to tilt a lot hit, and being hit from below makes it loose spin faster somehow. Anyways, THAT I don't know for myself since I don't use my B: D much, so ill be doing tests later today. Also, B: D could be that good, still not everyone will prefer maybe because of the mold difference, not all molds of B: D are good. On average most of them last like 4 minutes, but in some cases its spin time is 2 minutes. Which would cause confusion in non-experienced bladers and maybe could not do so good. Also B: D is a relatively fragile part, and a bit hard to get since it only comes with Phantom Orion. Plus some could prefer a different height for their stamina combos.

I don't think B is meant for a BB-10. The reason 60% results were obtained with B was because Revizer Revizer is an outstanding defense type synchrome in itself.
*Goes to tournaments with stock Phantom Orion B. Opponent uses Flash Escolpio S130 RF. Phantom Orion B does a Start Blast Attack. Outside the stadium *
I think Phantom's Clear Wheel and Metal Wheel show more potential in the BB-10 than B
I liked your effort of giving B some much needed attention
Revizer Revizer B is an okay combo

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On a different note-
Can someone test Genbull Genbull B:.D against Revizer Dragooon B:.D?
I would love to see the results...

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I agree. However I'm not completely sure, but I've heard somewhere that B: D has bad balance, which causes the bey to tilt a lot hit, and being hit from below makes it loose spin faster somehow. Anyways, THAT I don't know for myself since I don't use my B: D much, so ill be doing tests later today. Also, B: D could be that good, still not everyone will prefer maybe because of the mold difference, not all molds of B: D are good. On average most of them last like 4 minutes, but in some cases its spin time is 2 minutes. Which would cause confusion in non-experienced bladers and maybe could not do so good. Also B: D is a relatively fragile part, and a bit hard to get since it only comes with Phantom Orion. Plus some could prefer a different height for their stamina combos.

Yes, but no one prefers a different height, because they are all suggesting W145. Also, it doesn't lean over that much, and even when it does, it causes the tip to remain stationary as the rest of the bey spins, increasing it's grip, since the tip is not moving. It leans over, but I have not personally ever had problems with it. It tends to stand straight back up when it is hit, so during battle, it will most likely not lean over much, if at all. Plus, it's not like WD never leans over.

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On a different note-
Can someone test Genbull Genbull B:.D against Revizer Dragooon B:.D?
I would love to see the results...

@Zenoe. I used Reviser Reviser on the AD145WD combo too. They had the exact same metal wheel.
So, if compared, the tips have different qualities. I am not saying that B has good defense, at least, not compared to CS,RDF,RB,etc. but it should not be rejected for having less defense than WD, which I don't think it does. Thanks for your opinion though.

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On a different note-
Can someone test Genbull Genbull B:.D against Revizer Dragooon B:.D?
I would love to see the results...

That would just tell us the property of the synchromes, not the B:D itself, which is what this topic is about.

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@theblackdragon: B:D does have an excellent solo spin, but unfortunately, it does not translate as well in a battle. In term of stamina battle alone, personally I feel that it's up to par with AD145/W145 WD, but if you take its defense property into consideration, it is not as safe a choice as AD145/W145 WD. It is like what Ultra said, B:D has an awkward height that makes it easier to get knocked around / toppled. The whole thing is not so much about the actual bottom shape, which is in a way, similar to D/WD/SD. The height of ~ 21mm - 22mm does not do too well in a meta populated with 145-230 (plus the bottom). It's a whole different story though for the heavily 'sloped' Zero G stadiums.

Anyway, everybody has a different view and preference. If you feel that B:D works better for you, then cool. Nothing wrong with that.

Thanks! Just one question though. Isn't bearing drive the same height as an AD145WD set-up? :\

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I just checked, and I think it's a little bit taller.

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Thanks! Just one question though. Isn't bearing drive the same height as an AD145WD set-up? :\

Its closer to the 160 height.

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I just checked, and I think it's a little bit taller.

Really? Hmmm... Mine is the same. Are the different molds different heights? Mine is an A2.

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I just made an extensive comparative test of B:D vs AD145EWD (sorry, no W145) and here are the results:

B:D vs AD145EWD

vs Stamina tests (Click to View)

Phantom Aquario B:D vs. Duo Aquario AD145EWD
AD145EWD launched first on even launches, B:D launched first on odd.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. Tie; B:D OS
2. B:D OS
3. Tie; B:D OS
4. B:D OS
5. AD145EWD OS
6. AD145EWD OS
7. AD145EWD OS
8. B:D OS
9. AD145EWD OS
10. B:D OS
11. B:D OS
12. B:D OS
13. B:D OS
14. B:D OS
15. B:D OS
16. B:D OS
17. B:D OS
18. B:D OS
19. AD145EWD KO
20. B:D OS

B:D: 15 (15 OS, 0 KO)
AD145EWD: 5 (4 OS, 1 KO)
B:D Win %: 75.0%

Duo Aquario B:D vs. Phantom Aquario AD145EWD
AD145EWD launched first on even launches, B:D launched first on odd.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. B:D OS
2. AD145EWD OS
3. B:D OS
4. B:D OS
5. B:D OS
6. B:D OS
7. B:D OS
8. AD145EWD OS
9. B:D OS
10. B:D OS
11. B:D OS
12. AD145EWD OS
13. B:D OS
14. B:D OS
15. AD145EWD OS
16. B:D OS
17. B:D OS
18. B:D OS
19. B:D OS
20. B:D OS

B:D: 16 (16 OS, 0 KO)
AD145EWD: 4 (4 OS, 0 KO)
B:D Win %: 80.0%

As you can see, B:D managed to beat AD145EWD. I personally thought at first that Duo was gonna win them all since they kept hitting each other frequently, and Duo has a lot less recoil than Phantom, but this was not exactly what happened. When B:D was on duo, it simply OS Phantom without much problem. And when B:D was on phantom it destabilized Duo making it wobble and eventually loose its spin.
(Was gonna make a mirror match but didn't had a second Duo/Phantom.)
I didn't used any MF because I only have one, so matches would've been un-even. Same reason why I used Aquario, the only CW I have 2 of.

Mirror test (Click to View)

Twisted Aquario B:D (Takara MW) vs. Twisted Aquario AD145EWD (Hasbro MW)
AD145EWD launched first on even launches, B:D launched first on odd.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. AD145EWD KO
2. AD145EWD KO
3. B:D OS
4. B:D OS
5. B:D OS
6. B:D OS
7. Tie; B:D KO
8. B:D KO
9. AD145EWD KO
10. B:D KO
11. AD145EWD KO
12. AD145EWD KO
13. B:D KO
14. Tie; B:D OS
15. B:D KO
16. AD145EWD KO
17. B:D OS
18. AD145EWD KO
19. B:D OS
20. B:D OS

B:D: 13 (8 OS, 5 KO)
AD145EWD: 7 (0 OS, 7 KO)
B:D Win %: 65.0%


Twisted Aquario B:D (Hasbro MW) vs. Twisted Aquario AD145EWD (Takara MW)
AD145EWD launched first on even launches, B:D launched first on odd.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. AD145EWD OS
2. AD145EWD OS
3. B:D KO
4. B:D OS
5. Tie; Tie; B:D KO
6. B:D KO
7. B:D KO
8. Tie; B:D KO
9. B:D OS
10. AD145EWD KO
11. B:D KO
12. AD145EWD KO
13. AD145EWD OS
14. B:D K
15. AD145EWD KO
16. Tie; B:D OS
17. Tie; AD145EWD OS
18. B:D KO
19. B:D KO
20. B:D KO

B:D: 13 (3 OS, 10 KO)
AD145EWD: 7 (4 OS, 3 KO)
B:D Win %: 65.0%

a short vs WD for comparison (Click to View)

Twisted Aquario B:D (Hasbro MW) vs. Twisted Aquario AD145WD (Takara MW)
AD145WD launched first on even launches, B:D launched first on odd.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. B:D OS
2. AD145WD KO
3. B:D KO
4. Tie; AD145WD KO
5. AD145WD KO
6. B:D KO
7. B:D KO
8. AD145WD KO
9. B:D KO
10. B:D OS
11. B:D KO
12. B:D OS
13. AD145WD OS
14. B:D KO
15. B:D KO
16. B:D KO
17. Tie; Tie; B:D KO
18. AD145WD KO
19. AD145WD KO
20. AD145WD OS

B:D: 12 (3 OS, 9 KO)
AD145WD: 8 (2 OS, 6 KO)
B:D Win %: 60.0%

Most ties were double KO's, in which AD145EWD was sent flying a lot further than B:D. Also I noticed that when B:D was on the edge of the stadium, the tip stoped moving and eventually got back to the center. Unlike with AD145WD, in its case it self KO'd.

Attack test (to compare defensive power) (Click to View)

Duo Aquario B:D vs. Flash Orion GB145R2F
B:D always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. B:D OS
2. B:D OS
3. B:D OS
4. Flash KO
5. Flash KO
6. B:D OS
7. Flash KO
8. Flash KO
9. B:D OS
10. Flash KO
11. B:D OS
12. B:D OS
13. Flash KO
14. Flash KO
15. B:D OS
16. Flash KO
17. Flash KO
18. B:D OS
19. Flash KO
20. Flash KO

B:D: 9 (9 OS, 0 KO)
Flash : 11 (0 OS, 11 KO)
B:D Win %: 45.0%


Duo Aquario AD145EWD vs. Flash Orion GB145R2F
AD145EWD always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. Flash KO
2. Flash KO
3. Flash KO
4. AD145EWD OS
5. AD145EWD OS
6. Flash KO
7. AD145EWD OS
8. Flash KO
9. AD145EWD OS
10. AD145EWD OS
11. AD145EWD OS
12. AD145EWD OS
13. Flash KO
14. Flash KO
15. AD145EWD OS
16. Flash KO
17. AD145EWD OS
18. AD145EWD OS
19. Flash KO
20. Flash KO

AD145EWD: 10 (10 OS, 0 KO)
Flash : 10 (0 OS, 10 KO)
AD145EWD Win %: 50.0%


Twisted Aquario B:D (Takara MW) vs. Flash Orion GB145R2F
B:D always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. B:D OS
2. Flash KO
3. B:D OS
4. B:D OS
5. B:D OS
6. B:D OS
7. Flash KO
8. B:D OS
9. Flash KO
10. B:D OS
11. Tie; B:D KO
12. Flash KO
13. B:D OS
14. Flash KO
15. Flash KO
16. B:D KO
17. B:D OS
18. B:D OS
19. B:D OS
20. Flash KO

B:D: 13 (11 OS, 2 KO)
Flash : 7 (0 OS, 7 KO)
B:D Win %: 65.0%


Twisted Aquario AD145EWD (Takara MW) vs. Flash Orion GB145R2F
AD145EWD always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

1. Flash KO
2. Flash KO
3. Flash KO
4. AD145EWD OS
5. AD145EWD OS
6. Flash KO
7. Flash KO
8. Flash KO
9. AD145EWD KO
10. Flash KO
11. AD145EWD OS
12. Flash KO
13. AD145EWD OS
14. Flash KO
15. Flash KO
16. Flash KO
17. AD145EWD OS
18. Flash KO
19. Flash KO
20. Flash KO

AD145EWD: 6 (5 OS, 1 KO)
Flash : 14 (0 OS, 14 KO)
AD145EWD Win %: 30.0%

First of all, these tests were to measure the resistance of both AD145EWD and B:D, so my lack of skill, and the semi-worn condition of my R2F does not matter at all.
Okay, when Flash hit The bey with B:D, the tip stoped at the TR and came back to the center, unlike EWD. Also, on most of the battles Flash lost B:D was up right, when EWD was off balance and about to crash. also, B:D was harder to hit because it almost never stood still, unlike EWD.

My conclusion is that at least for me, B:D is superior for stamina. Could not be the case for everyone, so I'd like more people to test this. My B:D was a Hasbro, 4:30~5 minute mold

If you're gonna do stamina comparative tests you need to have similar setups. IE Duo Cancer vs Duo Cancer or Phantom vs Phantom with parts switched out every 10 rounds.

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If you're gonna do stamina comparative tests you need to have similar setups. IE Duo Cancer vs Duo Cancer or Phantom vs Phantom with parts switched out every 10 rounds.

I'm not really that good at testing since this would be like my first time. Also because I didn't had 2 of Duo or Phantom I made the Basalt test to try and make up for that.

If you're gonna do stamina comparative tests you need to have similar setups. IE Duo Cancer vs Duo Cancer or Phantom vs Phantom with parts switched out every 10 rounds.

Well, I think he switched the tips in between tests. In both cases, whichever bey use B won. So, in the end, Duo won when it used B, and phantom won when it used B. So it was kinda like a mirror test.

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Well, I think he switched the tips in between tests. In both cases, whichever bey use B won. So, in the end, Duo won when it used B, and phantom won when it used B. So it was kinda like a mirror test.

No its really not. D4D wheels like Phantom & Duo are known for having weight varying weights from mold to mold.

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Alright, I did some more tests. Please tell me if I posted them wrong :)

Phantom orion B:D vs. Phantom orion AD145WD
WD brand new. B:D A2 mold, broken in. L/R beylauncher used for both. beys alternated launching first.
Detailed results:

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R1, B:D OS
R2, B:D OS
R3, B:D OS
R4, B:D OS
R5, B:D KO
R6, B:D OS
R7, B:D OS
R8, B:D OS
R9, B:D OS
R10, B:D OS

B:D: 10/10 (1 KO, 9 OS)
AD145WD: 0/10 (0 KO, 0 OS)
Phantom orion B:D win rate: 100%

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After using Phantom vs. phantom, I found that you guys were right. B:D is ever-so-slightly taller, but barely. Still, in stamina mode, the rough underneath of phantom was a great target for the opposing bey, and it got leaned over a little a few times. It didn't make the tip grind, because of the bearings, but it did quite a bit of damage from hitting the metal wheel at that angle. Still, it dominated AD145WD in most of the rounds. It out-spun it by an impressive amount of time, but I see how a lower attack type could take advantage of this. but, when I used reviser in the earlier tests, the attack type just didn't have this effect. B:D was not being knocked into a leaning position with reviser. I think it was because reviser was much thicker and smoother, and harder to get a well-gripped grind underneath the chrome wheel. So, I assume that this may be avoided by switching around the metal wheel sometimes. Maybe Duo would be able to avoid this, being thicker and smoother than phantom, but not sure.
What I don't get, is that the problem everyone has been presenting is that B:D is KOed easily. Leaning is definitely a disadvantage, but it still does not cause the combo to get KOed. Do you think that B:D would work well against taller combos? such as, say, SA165? Just since it wouldn't
lean? And even when leaning, it can still OS because of the bearings right? It can still out-spin great, not as well as a solo spin, but still great!

Wow, you guys really made me realize that B:D has a few balance issues against different heights, but mine can still easily out-spin AD145WD, and I am still skeptical about it being KOed easier than WD. Could just be me though. :)
I also agree with infinity that part of B:D's defensive advantage is that the tip can stop completely win it reaches the ridge near the edge of the stadium, without losing much RPM because of the bearings, whereas WD would slip over, since it continues to spin. I also realized that B:D seemed to lose less spin from being smashed into a wall, and seemed to recover faster.


(@ Dark Mousey. This would be considered a mirror test, right?)

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I am not sure what is going on, but Bearing Drives have different mold, it goes as low as 2 min if you have bad one, ok one is 5 min, and Best is 7 min. If you go on beyblade geeks channel, they used a rev up with a stock phantom orion, and it spun 7 min.

Alright, I did some more tests. Please tell me if I posted them wrong :)

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Phantom orion B:D vs. Phantom orion AD145WD
WD brand new. B:D A2 mold, broken in. L/R beylauncher used for both. beys alternated launching first.
Detailed results:

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R1, B:D OS
R2, B:D OS
R3, B:D OS
R4, B:D OS
R5, B:D KO
R6, B:D OS
R7, B:D OS
R8, B:D OS
R9, B:D OS
R10, B:D OS

B:D: 10/10 (1 KO, 9 OS)
AD145WD: 0/10 (0 KO, 0 OS)
Phantom orion B:D win rate: 100%

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After using Phantom vs. phantom, I found that you guys were right. B:D is ever-so-slightly taller, but barely. Still, in stamina mode, the rough underneath of phantom was a great target for the opposing bey, and it got leaned over a little a few times. It didn't make the tip grind, because of the bearings, but it did quite a bit of damage from hitting the metal wheel at that angle. Still, it dominated AD145WD in most of the rounds. It out-spun it by an impressive amount of time, but I see how a lower attack type could take advantage of this. but, when I used reviser in the earlier tests, the attack type just didn't have this effect. B:D was not being knocked into a leaning position with reviser. I think it was because reviser was much thicker and smoother, and harder to get a well-gripped grind underneath the chrome wheel. So, I assume that this may be avoided by switching around the metal wheel sometimes. Maybe Duo would be able to avoid this, being thicker and smoother than phantom, but not sure.
What I don't get, is that the problem everyone has been presenting is that B:D is KOed easily. Leaning is definitely a disadvantage, but it still does not cause the combo to get KOed. Do you think that B:D would work well against taller combos? such as, say, SA165? Just since it wouldn't
lean? And even when leaning, it can still OS because of the bearings right? It can still out-spin great, not as well as a solo spin, but still great!

Wow, you guys really made me realize that B:D has a few balance issues against different heights, but mine can still easily out-spin AD145WD, and I am still skeptical about it being KOed easier than WD. Could just be me though. :)
I also agree with Infinity that part of B:D's defensive advantage is that the tip can stop completely win it reaches the ridge near the edge of the stadium, without losing much RPM because of the bearings, whereas WD would slip over, since it continues to spin. I also realized that B:D seemed to lose less spin from being smashed into a wall, and seemed to recover faster.


(@ Dark Mousey. This would be considered a mirror test, right?)

These tests are good. And yes B:D has a few balance issues which affect the bey mostly depending on the metal wheel, since my Duo didn't had any trouble even when it leaned. I think B:D is a valid stamina bottom for top tier combinations. (Depending on the mold thought) I guess B:D doesn't do as good with all metal wheels, in my case Duo leaned a lot less than Phantom, and recovered a lot faster when hit from below. Also I think maybe a MF-M could help with the leaning... I'll test that out tomorrow.
It Would be nice if more people tested this out :/ I'm thinking everyone else is skeptical about this... And I understand, since this is a part that is relatively old and has been tested a lot.

The height comparison is in the OP guys, courtesy of Arupaeo

Height Comparisons

B:D = 21.48 mm
145 + WD = 19.55 mm
TH170 (170) + WD = 22.12 mm
230 no tip = 22.86 mm
230 + WD = 27.95 mm

Ahhh, so it is a bit taller. Dark Mousey was right, about 160WD i guess. Interesting...

Wait, would W145BWD have the same height as B, since BWD is a bit taller? I'm getting it in the mail today, so I don't know yet, but someone told me that this set-up is supposed to actually outclass W145WD. Wouldn't it have the same height disadvantage as B? That would stink, 'cause I bought Begirados to make a stamina combo to use, but it might be too vulnerable to low attackers.

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BWD is good for Zero G but probably only equal or a little worse than WD for the BB-10 because of the sharp pointed tip.

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Just got Begaridos. BWD can actually out-spin WD in a BB10! The problem is, it has the same balance issued a B, but MUCH WORSE. And it can't recover like B can either. If it is not hit underneath though, it can still out-spin WD quite consistently. Not nearly as good as B though, at least in BB10.

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Can we see the test results? I'm just curious if you did mirror tests since those would be the best, IMO.

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