(Jul. 27, 2011 4:43 PM)Raigeko13 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, that's another one of the factors in the debate as well. The wall:pocket ratio is COMPLETELY different, idk what else to say really.
ANYONE UP FOR A RANT ON HASBRO'S NEW HORRIBLEU RULES?! >
*cough*F and HF*cough* Or just use a Ray-based Stamina type. I've really been hawking this one, even more so now that the rules for Hasbro changed. I'll explain the same situation, except against certain types.
Vs. Defense Type
1. KO or weaken Defense Type
2. Win by OS, or
Vs. RF or R2F
1. Get KOed
2. Win by OS
Vs. Other Stamina Types
1. Why are you not using an F-based attack type in the first place? Lose by OS, or win by KO
Vs. F-based Attack Type
1. Shoot and pray.
2. If you get KOed, win by OS
3. If neither are, win by OS
4. You get KOed, lose by OS.
(Jul. 27, 2011 7:59 PM)Temporal Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 27, 2011 4:43 PM)Raigeko13 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, that's another one of the factors in the debate as well. The wall:pocket ratio is COMPLETELY different, idk what else to say really.
ANYONE UP FOR A RANT ON HASBRO'S NEW HORRIBLEU RULES?! >
*cough*F and HF*cough* Or just use a Ray-based Stamina type. I've really been hawking this one, even more so now that the rules for Hasbro changed. I'll explain the same situation, except against certain types.
Vs. Defense Type
1. KO or weaken Defense Type
2. Win by OS, or
Vs. RF or R2F
1. Get KOed
2. Win by OS
Vs. Other Stamina Types
1. Why are you not using an F-based attack type in the first place? Lose by OS, or win by KO
Vs. F-based Attack Type
1. Shoot and pray.
2. If you get KOed, win by OS
3. If neither are, win by OS
4. You get KOed, lose by OS.
The rules didn't change the event is hosted by a person Hasbro approved of, whether they use the same hasbro rules or a twiked version differs; also it's clearly stated in the guidelines that Hasbro might not even sponsor it.
Doesn't change my point. WORK AROUND IT. Make a combo that beats Stamina types. Use F for once. It's not even hard to get, most Hasbro-only people have two.
*sigh* temporal we get the fact that F/HF can beat stamina types, but seriously, staminas still rule.
So just to clarify things, our tests now have to be based on Hasbro's rules? Why can't we just keep the old system? It's much better and makes more logical sense.
I'm more POed about the fact that instead of working around the idea like it was some dominating new part, people complain. I'm not griping about the non-use of F and HF at all. When the Tornado Balance Type S was released in the HMS era, people had to wean themselves off of Wolborg MS, right? Why does the same not apply here? Really, I'm more peeved at not being able to get across that while it is theoretically big, the rule change does almost nothing to an already Stamina-Based metagame. RF was deemed useless at the beginning, so essentially, we go back to square one, where the best way to win was to use Rock or something to totally wipe a Stamina Type on F. WD owned in the first place, hence the rise of Earth Virgo 125WD, right? Like I've said twice now, nothing much has changed except you have to OS a particularly weak and unbalanced Stamina type after KOing it. Essentially, two battles. Let's face it, not much is going to have a crapload of spin after being KOed. (Well, maybe an S-based Stamina type, or something made to be KOed, but even then, it'll be unbalanced, and lose almost all of its spin.)
RF was deemed useless in the beginning?
No.
RF could still manage KO's and stuff before this rule came into effect.
And if you say that all we need is to use Rock and F, I guess that there's no use for a Hasbro Metagame Thread?
F vs a stamina type: stamina in pocket= Still spinning still in play, will most likely OS F. See what I'm getting at? Even though you claim F and HF to be great (which they are) in a Hasbro stadium, they aren't as great as you think. No offense, but I think you're over exaggerating the whole thing brah.
At the beginning of the thread, RF ALWAYS got OS'ed. Until someone, I forgot who, mentioned that it needed to be used with a Catapult Shoot, it was useless, and THAT took a month. My point isn't that Rock+F=Win, it means that Rock+F=Not an auto loss. As in, the thing got high win rates until running into SF for a reason. It's an example of a combo, not some Libra CH120RF thing. The said Stamina type will in no way retain every bit of spin in a pocket. Just won't happen. Thus, the barely disturbed F beyblade, paired with a wheel with ONE OF THE BEST SOLO SPIN TIMES should OS it. My view on the matter. I'm not saying the combo is all you need, I'm saying that griping isn't going to change anything, so why not use the knowledge of how this works to your advantage and find a combo or two that works?
(Jul. 27, 2011 9:03 PM)Temporal Wrote: [ -> ]At the beginning of the thread, RF ALWAYS got OS'ed. Until someone, I forgot who, mentioned that it needed to be used with a Catapult Shoot, it was useless, and THAT took a month. My point isn't that Rock+F=Win, it means that Rock+F=Not an auto loss. As in, the thing got high win rates until running into SF for a reason. It's an example of a combo, not some Libra CH120RF thing. The said Stamina type will in no way retain every bit of spin in a pocket. Just won't happen. Thus, the barely disturbed F beyblade, paired with a wheel with ONE OF THE BEST SOLO SPIN TIMES should OS it. My view on the matter. I'm not saying the combo is all you need, I'm saying that griping isn't going to change anything, so why not use the knowledge of how this works to your advantage and find a combo or two that works?
The 9 new beys are already out according to hasbro, so that being said a simple story of I can use gravity metal wheel instead of rock because I bought it at walmart would pass. Gravity is great for defense an attack a performance tip like CS, DS, and R2F/LF would do. a low track would add also, such as 85, 90, 100. Why settle for those parts you mentioned when you could reap in their approvals?
Quote:Comparison of RF and F
LF Stadium
All Parts Hasbro
All beys used with String Launcher at 100% power
10 battles for each faceoff
Storm Pegasis 100 RF vs Earth Aquario 145 WD (just didnt try ED145.)
Pegasis Win rate-40%. Not bad, conidering that its opponent can be considered a very powerful top tier. 2 wins by Stadium out and the other 2 by Spin out. Lost 5 times by Spon out and once by Stadium out.
Storm Pegasis 100 F vs same as above
Pegasis Win Rate-60%. 2 wins by Stadium out and 4 by Spin out.
This is just the basics of my research. i still have yet to post everything else i dug up. in due time...in due time...
Here we go! RF wasn't always amazing. Leon Tempest at the beginning of the old thread.
Gravity will indeed beat out Rock, especially if the Rip Gauge Launcher is any good. As for the "Gravity is great for defense" part... I dunno. I haven't seen many good tests on Gravity as a Defense Wheel. Meh, I'll test once I get one, but Twisted should be out at the same time, so what'd be the point? Gravity=Attack in left spin, and STILL outclasses Rock in right spin.
(Jul. 27, 2011 9:19 PM)Shadowhaunter Wrote: [ -> ]The 9 new beys are already out according to hasbro, so that being said a simple story of I can use gravity metal wheel instead of rock because I bought it at walmart would pass. Gravity is great for defense an attack a performance tip like CS, DS, and R2F/LF would do. a low track would add also, such as 85, 90, 100. Why settle for those parts you mentioned when you could reap in their approvals?
: what?
of post: i am confused on what you mean at all.
edit: beaten i guess
Gravity is better in right spin nowadays.
And it sucked as a defense wheel, it was initially dismissed because it did so bad defensively.
(Jul. 27, 2011 10:32 PM)th!nk Wrote: [ -> ]Gravity is better in right spin nowadays.
And it sucked as a defense wheel, it was initially dismissed because it did so bad defensively.
I don't have someone to film for me, but I've found a lot of my tests that it does great in defense against my friends MF flame byxis, and even low attackers like my MF vulcan 85. On attack it's chaotic when I gave it a LF and spun it left it bounced everywhere smashing the beys into the pockets. Usually bouncing out and hitting my head.
When I find someone to take time to help me film I could show the results on a 20 round test. 10 for defensive uses and 10 for attack uses.
(Jul. 27, 2011 9:29 PM)lord Wolfblade Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 27, 2011 9:19 PM)Shadowhaunter Wrote: [ -> ]The 9 new beys are already out according to hasbro, so that being said a simple story of I can use gravity metal wheel instead of rock because I bought it at walmart would pass. Gravity is great for defense an attack a performance tip like CS, DS, and R2F/LF would do. a low track would add also, such as 85, 90, 100. Why settle for those parts you mentioned when you could reap in their approvals?
: what?
of post: i am confused on what you mean at all.
edit: beaten i guess
What I was getting on is that many of the good parts from TT are available now and because hasbro claims that those 9 new beys are out, you could just as easily use a TT one and pass through their check. Also that low tracks and a good tip would add strength to the gravity wheel.
(Jul. 27, 2011 10:48 PM)Shadowhaunter Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 27, 2011 10:32 PM)th!nk Wrote: [ -> ]Gravity is better in right spin nowadays.
And it sucked as a defense wheel, it was initially dismissed because it did so bad defensively.
I don't have someone to film for me, but I've found a lot of my tests that it does great in defense against my friends MF flame byxis, and even low attackers like my MF vulcan 85. On attack it's chaotic when I gave it a LF and spun it left it bounced everywhere smashing the beys into the pockets. Usually bouncing out and hitting my head.
what combo is gravity in?
last i check, flame byxis has no attack, so how does that show anything?
is hasbro going to release meteo l drago in beyblade metal masters? I mean the one that is not in the triple battle set? the triple battle set is too expensive and I don't want galaxy pegasus
...Read around. Of course they will, it's used by Ryuuga, who is an antagonist in the show. A main one at that.
: Pocketing a bey doesn't afford you a win any more, they have to stop spinning.
And you're still not describing it defensively at all.
Temporal what are you talking about? Of course they won't release it! There's no way!
Read around or I will hate you with a passion beyugimon. BE A BETTER MEMBER.
(Jul. 27, 2011 10:56 PM)lord Wolfblade Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 27, 2011 10:48 PM)Shadowhaunter Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 27, 2011 10:32 PM)th!nk Wrote: [ -> ]Gravity is better in right spin nowadays.
And it sucked as a defense wheel, it was initially dismissed because it did so bad defensively.
I don't have someone to film for me, but I've found a lot of my tests that it does great in defense against my friends MF flame byxis, and even low attackers like my MF vulcan 85. On attack it's chaotic when I gave it a LF and spun it left it bounced everywhere smashing the beys into the pockets. Usually bouncing out and hitting my head.
what combo is gravity in?
last i check, flame byxis has no attack, so how does that show anything?
I use 85DS and sometimes 130DS and for my other perseus I have AD145WD both of these seem to survive low attacks and medium ones too. When given a low track and a attack tip like LF it performs aggressively moving in chaotic patterns and when I meant hits them into the pocket they aren't spinning. The only bey I own that has ever spun in a pocket was meteo, and he died off before perseus.
(Jul. 27, 2011 11:02 PM)th!nk Wrote: [ -> ]: Pocketing a bey doesn't afford you a win any more, they have to stop spinning.
And you're still not describing it defensively at all.
Of course it doesn't count the pockets are just traps set in my digger so unfortunate beys die.
Yo, those are Stamina parts, and that is just showing the huge flaw in Hasbro stadiums again ... Attack types are really disadvantaged.
(Jul. 28, 2011 1:40 AM)Kai-V Wrote: [ -> ]those are Stamina parts, and that is just showing the huge flaw in Hasbro stadiums again ... Attack types are really disadvantaged.
IIRC i gravity perseus GB145WB was knocked around like crazy in my lightning force by a meteo combo... A
METEO COMBO! he must be doing something wrong, or he is using the SVS...
so thats why people have been getting these results?
in a lightning force or max stampede
Quote:Midnight Bull 100F vs. Earth Bull GB145SF
MB: 14 wins. 10 by KO, 4 by OS
EB: 6 wins. All by OS.
in a
PTW
(Jul. 15, 2011 12:12 AM)BeyBladestation Wrote: [ -> ]PTW Stadium
BeyLauncher and BeyLauncher L
Banking for LLD
Earth Bull 125WD VS. Lightning L-Drago [Upper] 100RF
LLD 100RF Win%age: 90% [All KO]
Earth Bull 125WD Win%age: 10% [All OS]
edit: hasbro stadiums may be unbalanced, but they are not as unbalanced as you think they are
(Jul. 28, 2011 1:52 AM)lord Wolfblade Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 28, 2011 1:40 AM)Kai-V Wrote: [ -> ]those are Stamina parts, and that is just showing the huge flaw in Hasbro stadiums again ... Attack types are really disadvantaged.
IIRC i gravity perseus GB145WB was knocked around like crazy in my lightning force by a meteo combo... A METEO COMBO! he must be doing something wrong, or he is using the SVS...
so thats why people have been getting these results?
in a lightning force or max stampede
Quote:Midnight Bull 100F vs. Earth Bull GB145SF
MB: 14 wins. 10 by KO, 4 by OS
EB: 6 wins. All by OS.
in a PTW
(Jul. 15, 2011 12:12 AM)BeyBladestation Wrote: [ -> ]PTW Stadium
BeyLauncher and BeyLauncher L
Banking for LLD
Earth Bull 125WD VS. Lightning L-Drago [Upper] 100RF
LLD 100RF Win%age: 90% [All KO]
Earth Bull 125WD Win%age: 10% [All OS]
edit: hasbro stadiums may be unbalanced, but they are not as unbalanced as you think they are
Though isn't better for Max Stamp to have craters because low beys can aim lower when in the crater. That could account for more KO's; also if a attack type uses a Metal Flat wouldn't the less grip to the ground make it the only attack type to stay spinning longer and be a good match?
Erm... No. It doesn't work that way, it just disrupts spin. Though it WOULD make Tornado Stalling a bit more useful.
(Jul. 28, 2011 4:36 AM)Shadowhaunter Wrote: [ -> ]Though isn't better for Max Stamp to have craters because low beys can aim lower when in the crater. That could account for more KO's; also if a attack type uses a Metal Flat wouldn't the less grip to the ground make it the only attack type to stay spinning longer and be a good match?
no, as the opponant will most likely also go into the crater as well so that wouldn't really happen. like Temporal said, it should just disrupts spin, which is a bad thing
that gets me thinking, i think MF will do very good in hasbro stadiums
Tornado Stallin'! Gravity Perseus BD145MF. I think that will end up a major Hasbro combo. Just a hunch I have.
Speaking of Hasbro, could they release a Lightening L-Drago custom bey inside future faceoff packs? (At this point I wish they were just called "decks", officially that is)