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What is the tip that was banned before but now isn't?

(Apr. 04, 2016 4:08 PM)SoSteve Wrote: [ -> ]What is the tip that was banned before but now isn't?

RS (rubber spike) and RB (rubber ball) were both banned at a time but aren't now.

(Apr. 04, 2016 4:09 PM)jonahblader13 Wrote: [ -> ]
(Apr. 04, 2016 4:08 PM)SoSteve Wrote: [ -> ]What is the tip that was banned before but now isn't?

RS (rubber spike) and RB (rubber ball) were both banned at a time but aren't now.

Thank you!

(Apr. 04, 2016 4:07 PM)jonahblader13 Wrote: [ -> ]
(Apr. 04, 2016 9:22 AM)FIREFIRE Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone think, we should add Bahamadia in Dark Knight Graph/Girago 85RF?

I did some informal testing and found it work better then Girago or Graph

I'm not sure. The width of Bahamdia might work against DK. DK Girago 85R2F totally kills MTDCs and Bahamdia may not.

Oh. But still i will try doing some tests.

Sorry. I mean it's on par level with Girago not better Tongue_out

I did some tests on substitute chrome wheel on Dark Knight LTAC

spoilt-spoiler (Click to View)

from my observation (Click to View)

Notes (Click to View)

Sorry for double post and worst English

Thanks for the tests! I've never really tested Dark Knight Pegasis LTAC personally, but I like Girago because of it's increased stamina and the late-game KOs it could get. Did you find that Pegasis was similar to Girago in doing this?

EDIT: Just realized you tested against GB145 defense. You would probably get more accurate results with defense at a 85-100 or TH170-230 height. MTDCs essentially became useless since Libra's ban. Tongue_out

(Apr. 07, 2016 10:02 PM)Mitsu Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for the tests! I've never really tested Dark Knight Pegasis LTAC personally, but I like Girago because of it's increased stamina and the late-game KOs it could get. Did you find that Pegasis was similar to Girago in doing this?

Thanks Mitsu!

girago definitely have better stamina. But i found Pegasis is better at late KOing and it should do better against LTDC as pegais have higher recoil/smash then girago

Also i did some informal test with balro and wyvang. Wyvang was ok but Balro did very good as OHKO, but not as good Girago or Pegasis

(Apr. 07, 2016 9:52 PM)FIREFIRE Wrote: [ -> ]I did some tests on substitute chrome wheel on Dark Knight LTAC

spoilt-spoiler (Click to View)
Bahamadia Dark Knight DF105RF vs. MF-H Earth Aqurio R145RB
EA always launched first. Wide Launch was used with BDK. EA was launched at 70℅.

Detail Results (Click to View)
1. BDK OS
2. BDK KO
3. Tie; Tie; EA KO
4. BDK KO
5. BDK KO
6. EA OS
7. Tie; BDK KO
8. EA OS
9. BDK KO
10. BDK OS
11. Tie; BDK KO
12. BDK KO
13. EA KO
14. Tie; EA KO
15. EA KO
16. BDK KO
17. EA OS
18. BDK KO
19. BDK KO
BDK : 12 (2 OS, 10 KO)
EA: 7 (3 OS, 4 KO)
BDK Win %: 63.2%

sorry my launch was little bad today

lol you maybe wondering why earth has more KO then OS. it's beacuse Bahamadia have high recoil and wide which it can't really handle. i'm sure a metal stone can fix (mine lost atm)

Girago Dark Knight DF105LRF vs. MF-H Earth Kerbecs R145RB
EK launched First. GDK was launched with slide shot

Detail Results (Click to View)
1. GDK KO
2. GDK KO
3. GDK KO
4. EK OS
5. Tie; GDK OS
6. GDK KO
7. GDK KO
8. Tie; GDK KO
9. GDK KO
GDK: 8 (1 OS, 7 KO)
EK: 1 (1 OS, 0 KO)
GDK Win %: 88.9%

i stopped it here as results are clear
Dark Knight Pegasis DF10LRF vs. MF Earth Aqurio R145RB
EA always launched first. launch technique used with DKP was same as Genbu ^2 BD145RF

Detail Results (Click to View)
1. DKP KO
2. DKP KO
3. DKP KO
4. EA KO
5. DKP KO
6. DKP KO
7. DKP KO
8. DKP KO
9. Tie; DKP KO
DKP: 8 (0 OS, 8 KO)
EA: 1 (0 OS, 1 KO)
DKP Win %: 88.9%

wow pegasis got almost same results as girago.

but i noticed it has much more smash when metal on metal contact

note:- never tilt launcher too much when slide shooting this. as it will make opposing easier to push ko this

from my observation (Click to View)
Bahamadia was performing ok (flop tbh :p). But i think with MSF and Rb it will perform better

Girago was incredible performed best of any chrome wheel

But i think Pegaisis performed little bit better. It has much more smash attack even it's contact points are blured in left spin
Notes (Click to View)
Black BB- 10 attack type stadium was used
Earh Aqurio was launched at 80℅ launch strenth (compared to my regular launch)
Sorry for double post and worst English

Why 19, 9 and then once again 9 rounds? Honestly those are really random numbers, the tests would appear it a little better and more accurate if you would've at least done 10. Also might want to word your post more carefully, Dark Knight Pegasis is very different from Pegasis Dark Knight, might want to double check you put the correct thing since you were using Dark Knight on top all the time. Also Mitsu is definitely right, MTDC's are pretty meh now, definitely try against LTDC and HTDC's. Using MTDC's aren't bad for comparing the wheels, but it would be a lot better if you tested against more relevant combinations.

(Apr. 07, 2016 10:58 PM)Thunder Dome Wrote: [ -> ]
(Apr. 07, 2016 9:52 PM)FIREFIRE Wrote: [ -> ]I did some tests on substitute chrome wheel on Dark Knight LTAC

spoilt-spoiler (Click to View)
Bahamadia Dark Knight DF105RF vs. MF-H Earth Aqurio R145RB
EA always launched first. Wide Launch was used with BDK. EA was launched at 70℅.

Detail Results (Click to View)
1. BDK OS
2. BDK KO
3. Tie; Tie; EA KO
4. BDK KO
5. BDK KO
6. EA OS
7. Tie; BDK KO
8. EA OS
9. BDK KO
10. BDK OS
11. Tie; BDK KO
12. BDK KO
13. EA KO
14. Tie; EA KO
15. EA KO
16. BDK KO
17. EA OS
18. BDK KO
19. BDK KO
BDK : 12 (2 OS, 10 KO)
EA: 7 (3 OS, 4 KO)
BDK Win %: 63.2%

sorry my launch was little bad today

lol you maybe wondering why earth has more KO then OS. it's beacuse Bahamadia have high recoil and wide which it can't really handle. i'm sure a metal stone can fix (mine lost atm)

Girago Dark Knight DF105LRF vs. MF-H Earth Kerbecs R145RB
EK launched First. GDK was launched with slide shot

Detail Results (Click to View)
1. GDK KO
2. GDK KO
3. GDK KO
4. EK OS
5. Tie; GDK OS
6. GDK KO
7. GDK KO
8. Tie; GDK KO
9. GDK KO
GDK: 8 (1 OS, 7 KO)
EK: 1 (1 OS, 0 KO)
GDK Win %: 88.9%

i stopped it here as results are clear
Dark Knight Pegasis DF10LRF vs. MF Earth Aqurio R145RB
EA always launched first. launch technique used with DKP was same as Genbu ^2 BD145RF

Detail Results (Click to View)
1. DKP KO
2. DKP KO
3. DKP KO
4. EA KO
5. DKP KO
6. DKP KO
7. DKP KO
8. DKP KO
9. Tie; DKP KO
DKP: 8 (0 OS, 8 KO)
EA: 1 (0 OS, 1 KO)
DKP Win %: 88.9%

wow pegasis got almost same results as girago.

but i noticed it has much more smash when metal on metal contact

note:- never tilt launcher too much when slide shooting this. as it will make opposing easier to push ko this

from my observation (Click to View)
Bahamadia was performing ok (flop tbh :p). But i think with MSF and Rb it will perform better

Girago was incredible performed best of any chrome wheel

But i think Pegaisis performed little bit better. It has much more smash attack even it's contact points are blured in left spin
Notes (Click to View)
Black BB- 10 attack type stadium was used
Earh Aqurio was launched at 80℅ launch strenth (compared to my regular launch)
Sorry for double post and worst English
Why 19, 9 and then once again 9 rounds? Honestly those are really random numbers, the tests would appear it a little better and more accurate if you would've at least done 10. Also might want to word your post more carefully, Dark Knight Pegasis is very different from Pegasis Dark Knight, might want to double check you put the correct thing since you were using Dark Knight on top all the time. Also Mitsu is definitely right, MTDC's are pretty meh now, definitely try against LTDC and HTDC's. Using MTDC's aren't bad for comparing the wheels, but it would be a lot better if you tested against more relevant combinations.

Oh lol. When round 20 comes in beytest app, i thought test is finished. Sorry for chaos. I will be careful next time

Yeah i was thinking same. I will test against HTDC and LTDC tomorrow.

BTW. I did some informal testing against LTDC. Pegasis did better then Girago

I will post them tomorrow night

Sorry for double post. I will not double post again

MSF-H Pegasis Dark Knight DF105LRF vs. Earth Leone 85RB
EL always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

PDK: 15 (0 OS, 15 KO)
EL: 6 (4 OS, 2 KO)
PDK Win %: 71.4%

bey that had faster acceleration after first hit was winning battle. if Earth start moving after first hit and before pegasis. Pegasis was unable to KO it or get Push KO

Girago Dark Knight DF105R2F vs. Earth Leone 85RB
EL always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

GDK: 12 (1 OS, 11 KO)
EL: 9 (5 OS, 4 KO)
GDK Win %: 57.1%

KOs were Push KO at tornado ridge.

Can somebody test PDK against HTDC?

I have to study for exam so i can't test

(Apr. 08, 2016 8:23 PM)FIREFIRE Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry for double post. I will not double post again

MSF-H Pegasis Dark Knight DF105LRF vs. Earth Leone 85RB
EL always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)
1. EL KO
2. PDK KO
3. EL OS
4. PDK KO
5. PDK KO
6. EL OS
7. PDK KO
8. Tie; Tie; PDK KO
9. EL OS
10. PDK KO
11. PDK KO
12. EL KO
13. PDK KO
14. PDK KO
15. PDK KO
16. PDK KO
17. Tie; Tie; Tie; Tie; PDK KO
18. Tie; Tie; PDK KO
19. PDK KO
20. EL OS
21. PDK KO
PDK: 15 (0 OS, 15 KO)
EL: 6 (4 OS, 2 KO)
PDK Win %: 71.4%

bey that had faster acceleration after first hit was winning battle. if Earth start moving after first hit and before pegasis. Pegasis was unable to KO it or get Push KO

Girago Dark Knight DF105R2F vs. Earth Leone 85RB
EL always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)
1. GDK KO
2. EL KO
3. GDK KO
4. EL KO
5. GDK KO
6. GDK OS
7. EL KO
8. GDK KO
9. EL OS
10. GDK KO
11. GDK KO
12. GDK KO
13. EL KO
14. GDK KO
15. EL OS
16. EL OS
17. EL OS
18. GDK KO
19. EL OS
20. Tie; GDK KO
21. GDK KO
GDK: 12 (1 OS, 11 KO)
EL: 9 (5 OS, 4 KO)
GDK Win %: 57.1%

KOs were Push KO at tornado ridge.

Can somebody test PDK against HTDC?

I have to study for exam so i can't test

What condition was your RB in?

Also if you have the time I would be interested to see what happens when you launch Dark Knight Attack first. This was an idea thrown up a while ago and it's still pretty cool, what if instead of launching the beyblade that isn't the attack type first why not just alternate launches still? In a competitive beyblade tournament you can not launch directly at your opponents top with a flawless sliding shoot in testings, if anything this just misleads others and honestly gives some kinda insufficient tests because it really doesn't relate to a competitive environment at all. All this is doing is giving a false representation of the attack type to a certain extent.

(Apr. 08, 2016 8:55 PM)Thunder Dome Wrote: [ -> ]
(Apr. 08, 2016 8:23 PM)FIREFIRE Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry for double post. I will not double post again

MSF-H Pegasis Dark Knight DF105LRF vs. Earth Leone 85RB
EL always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)
1. EL KO
2. PDK KO
3. EL OS
4. PDK KO
5. PDK KO
6. EL OS
7. PDK KO
8. Tie; Tie; PDK KO
9. EL OS
10. PDK KO
11. PDK KO
12. EL KO
13. PDK KO
14. PDK KO
15. PDK KO
16. PDK KO
17. Tie; Tie; Tie; Tie; PDK KO
18. Tie; Tie; PDK KO
19. PDK KO
20. EL OS
21. PDK KO
PDK: 15 (0 OS, 15 KO)
EL: 6 (4 OS, 2 KO)
PDK Win %: 71.4%

bey that had faster acceleration after first hit was winning battle. if Earth start moving after first hit and before pegasis. Pegasis was unable to KO it or get Push KO

Girago Dark Knight DF105R2F vs. Earth Leone 85RB
EL always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)
1. GDK KO
2. EL KO
3. GDK KO
4. EL KO
5. GDK KO
6. GDK OS
7. EL KO
8. GDK KO
9. EL OS
10. GDK KO
11. GDK KO
12. GDK KO
13. EL KO
14. GDK KO
15. EL OS
16. EL OS
17. EL OS
18. GDK KO
19. EL OS
20. Tie; GDK KO
21. GDK KO
GDK: 12 (1 OS, 11 KO)
EL: 9 (5 OS, 4 KO)
GDK Win %: 57.1%

KOs were Push KO at tornado ridge.

Can somebody test PDK against HTDC?

I have to study for exam so i can't test
What condition was your RB in?

Semi-Worn

Edit:- i used MSF with Girago too. Sorry

Nothing wrong with double-posting if your posting something valuable. Thanks again! Smile

Like Wyvang, it definitely seems Pegasis has more raw attack power. Girago has less, but it's stamina seems to compensate for it.

Lol i can't stop me from doing some more test against LTAC

i want to make clear that all KOs that Earth performed were Wall saves

and i didn't used Cygnus or RS because i'm not in home. but i can still do if you wish

MSF Pegasis Dark Knight DF105LRF vs. Earth Aqurio 230RB
EA always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

PDK: 7 (0 OS, 7 KO)
EA: 2 (2 OS, 0 KO)
PDK Win %: 77.8%

i stoped test here as winner was obvious.

MSF Girago Dark Knight DF105LRF vs. Earth Aqurio 230RB
EA always launched first.

Detail Results (Click to View)

GDK: 6 (0 OS, 6 KO)
EA: 3 (2 OS, 1 KO)
GDK Win %: 66.7%

tbh. both were performing equally well here. but Girago had bit more power behind smash of Ronin

Pegasis got more win rate because of wall saves

Edit:-sorry for 9 tests

I had a question. I know that Ray, Vulcan, and Scew aren't necessarily top tier even in this category, but is this correct?

Pegasis/Lightning>Screw>Vulcan>Ray>Storm

Personally, when it came out I doubt Screw was better than Vulcan.

I'd almost put Vulcan at top-tier, personally. I'm still not impressed with Screw, though; it's got nice Upper Attack, but it usually has to get underneath opponents to land solid hits, while most top-tier Attack wheels can handle attacking same-height opponents just fine. I would rank them:

[Top-tier] > Vulcan > Screw >> Ray >> Storm

">>" indicates that the part is much better than the next one.

Thanks for replying guys. I wasn't completely sure for myself, but I've heard very good things about Screw in the past, and I wasn't too impressed with Vulcan before, but that's probably a placebo. I'm going to start testing out various combos using those wheels (and of course many others), because I really want to become more active on this forum and in Beyblade in general. I might start testing the Aquario and L-Drago metal system wheels, since those seem like they have potential but haven't been looked at too much.

Hey guys, I noticed that for the 4th competitive listing under the defensive category the Leone clear wheel is used. I was always under the impression that Leone was a sub-par wheel that was too light and a little unstable. Does Leone have some synergy with Bakushin I don't know about? I assume that it's not put there for no reason.

(May. 28, 2016 1:50 AM)ForZ Wrote: [ -> ]Hey guys, I noticed that for the 4th competitive listing under the defensive category the Leone clear wheel is used. I was always under the impression that Leone was a sub-par wheel that was too light and a little unstable. Does Leone have some synergy with Bakushin I don't know about? I assume that it's not put there for no reason.

Leone lines up nicely with Bakushin, and it is probably the best option.

(May. 28, 2016 1:54 AM)Hato Wrote: [ -> ]
(May. 28, 2016 1:50 AM)ForZ Wrote: [ -> ]Hey guys, I noticed that for the 4th competitive listing under the defensive category the Leone clear wheel is used. I was always under the impression that Leone was a sub-par wheel that was too light and a little unstable. Does Leone have some synergy with Bakushin I don't know about? I assume that it's not put there for no reason.

Leone lines up nicely with Bakushin, and it is probably the best option.

Gotcha, I don't have a Leone on hand so I didn't really have a chance to look at them together. Thanks for the response so quick.

(May. 28, 2016  2:01 AM)ForZ Wrote: [ -> ]
(May. 28, 2016  1:54 AM)Hato Wrote: [ -> ]
(May. 28, 2016  1:50 AM)ForZ Wrote: [ -> ]Hey guys, I noticed that for the 4th competitive listing under the defensive category the Leone clear wheel is used. I was always under the impression that Leone was a sub-par wheel that was too light and a little unstable. Does Leone have some synergy with Bakushin I don't know about? I assume that it's not put there for no reason.

Leone lines up nicely with Bakushin, and it is probably the best option.

Gotcha, I don't have a Leone on hand so I didn't really have a chance to look at them together. Thanks for the response so quick.

Personally, I've found that Leone is actually decent when paired with Screwl. So is Unicorno with Screw, but mostly Screw is best paired with Pisces or Horogium.

It's also interesting to note, that Gemios goes perfectly with Vulcan, another metal wheel of a similar caliber. Lines up perfectly with the slopes/contact points. Not sure if anyone else has noticed this before.

(Jun. 02, 2016  8:19 PM)Sapphire Wrote: [ -> ]
(May. 28, 2016  2:01 AM)ForZ Wrote: [ -> ]
(May. 28, 2016  1:54 AM)Hato Wrote: [ -> ]Leone lines up nicely with Bakushin, and it is probably the best option.

Gotcha, I don't have a Leone on hand so I didn't really have a chance to look at them together. Thanks for the response so quick.

Personally, I've found that Leone is actually decent when paired with Screwl. So is Unicorno with Screw, but mostly Screw is best paired with Pisces or Horogium.

It's also interesting to note, that Gemios goes perfectly with Vulcan, another metal wheel of a similar caliber. Lines up perfectly with the slopes/contact points. Not sure if anyone else has noticed this before.

on Screw. Dragonis and Escorpio also worked great for me.

i tried using Geminos on Vulcan but i think it's too light. we tried a vulcan combo with scorpio and it came 3rd at last event

(Jun. 02, 2016  8:26 PM)FIREFIRE Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jun. 02, 2016  8:19 PM)Sapphire Wrote: [ -> ]
(May. 28, 2016  2:01 AM)ForZ Wrote: [ -> ]Gotcha, I don't have a Leone on hand so I didn't really have a chance to look at them together. Thanks for the response so quick.

Personally, I've found that Leone is actually decent when paired with Screwl. So is Unicorno with Screw, but mostly Screw is best paired with Pisces or Horogium.

It's also interesting to note, that Gemios goes perfectly with Vulcan, another metal wheel of a similar caliber. Lines up perfectly with the slopes/contact points. Not sure if anyone else has noticed this before.

on Screw. Dragonis and Escorpio also worked great for me.

i tried using Geminos on Vulcan but i think it's too light. we tried a vulcan combo with scorpio and it came 3rd at last event

Well the problem with putting Escolpio on Vulcan is that it's protrusions cover Vulcan's contact points in an opposite way compared to Gemios, but I guess that's the whole point. I tried that, but a piece of my Escolpio clear wheel actually broke off! Unhappy

(Jun. 03, 2016  7:49 PM)Sapphire Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jun. 02, 2016  8:26 PM)FIREFIRE Wrote: [ -> ]
(Jun. 02, 2016  8:19 PM)Sapphire Wrote: [ -> ]Personally, I've found that Leone is actually decent when paired with Screwl. So is Unicorno with Screw, but mostly Screw is best paired with Pisces or Horogium.

It's also interesting to note, that Gemios goes perfectly with Vulcan, another metal wheel of a similar caliber. Lines up perfectly with the slopes/contact points. Not sure if anyone else has noticed this before.

on Screw. Dragonis and Escorpio also worked great for me.

i tried using Geminos on Vulcan but i think it's too light. we tried a vulcan combo with scorpio and it came 3rd at last event

Well the problem with putting Escolpio on Vulcan is that it's protrusions cover Vulcan's contact points in an opposite way compared to Gemios, but I guess that's the whole point. I tried that, but a piece of my Escolpio clear wheel actually broke off!

The Elscopio clear wheel probably worked due to its aggression. It is one of the best attack type clear wheels.

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