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well as i am very lazy and don't feel like writing the bases behind this, i will just show you guys some PMs that i made regarding this

so i just got my ultimate DX set today and there is one thing that i found about wing!

after looking at Wing for a while, i had this idea, Wing's "wings" (lol lame unintentional pun) are a bit slanted and look like they could get under a beyblade and destabilize it. also, the wings are a bit bumpy, reminding me of my killer destabilizer (yay, another unintentional play on words).

so i decided to try this out a couple times. the combos wing (zero mode) pegasis 90/85SF/FS (i tried all of these) vs Scythe Kronos BD145EDS

the result: though Wing didn't win, it lost only to half a second, and successfully destabilized Kronos every time

and things are still looking up because i haven't tried Wings to other modes and i have some more tips to try

luckily, the "spikes" that BD145 have, aid in the destabilization. and from what i can tell, with SF, it can hit (what was most likely the spikes) hard enough to almost KO scythe (in the process making scythe loose some balance and some spin). FS has far more stamina then SF, but sometimes can't hit enough

tried wing pegasis 85SF some more, and i think i have a winner

it is destabilizing effectively and can KO!

what it does is it aggressively hits BD145 (scythe is really getting pushed around here), making scythe go on an angle, then, it hits the Scythe wheel itself (because it is angled enough to get hit) and KOs it (and if it doesn't KO, Scythe still doesn't have enough stamina anymore to win)

F oddly doesn't have enough power to hit as aggressively as SF?
WF, though hard to control (and because on 85, scrapes), but it can destabilize
JB is close to SF, but doesn't have as much power

after all that thinking and observing, here is what i got

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Attack type Stadium (black). beylauncher L/R. banking for wing
Wing (Ironclad Attack) Pegasis III 85SF VS Scythe (stamina) Kronos BD145EDS
Wing: 7 (5-outspin, 2-KO)
Scythe: 13 (12-outspin, 1-flukeKO)

now, i know that the results aren't that good, but Scythe's wins are only from a couple more seconds of spin then Wing (most of the time it looks like wing should win, but by being on such a low track, it is hard to not scrape). also, i still need to get the launch right for wing, to win it seems you need to do really heavy banking.

i was also seeing allot of Scythe's wins was when it was about to run out of spin and it was wobbling, that it would hit Wing (from its wobbling) down into the stadium so that wing would scrape and loose (in what should have been wing's win

F results
Wing Pegasis 85F VS Scythe Kronos BD145EDS
Wing: 1 (KO)
Scythe: 19 (OS)
With F i saw allot of destabilization, but in the end F ran out of stamina way to quickly (it got close to winning allot though)

coming soon:
Wing Pegasis 85FS//WF results.

i still have some more destablizing tests that i will do soon with LDrago Guardian (Click to View)

remembering Kei's destabilizer, i thought of trying out Ldrago guardian.
with SF it is super aggressive, and i mean super. it was doing the same thing as wing, but with more aggression and some equalizing (but less destabilizing). it got close, but EDS gives scythe a little life after death like thing.
with FS, it was just equalizing with a bit destabilizing, same result as SF, but not as fun to watch

too those people who will suggest me to test vs combos:
i do not have any rubber defence bottoms, phantom, and basalt.

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IMO, SF is an underestimated part in this metagame, however that was durring season 1. Now with basalt and 4D, way to many things outclass it.

Still, I would love to see destabilizers make a comeback. looking foward to future tests. Do you own a RSF?

Try 90 or 100, might have some more success due to the wobbling issue.

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leon: i agree. unfortunately i do not own RSF

Poseidon: originally i tried both 85 and 90. i was going to do some more with 90, but i was to lazy excited to do it. IIRC 90 was just slightly worse then winning, but then again i originally did only a couple battles with it. thanks for the suggestion i will try it

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Hmm, Tbh I just think that MFB's getting way too heavy for getting destablised, it's one of the facts that are needed, the main being height. Then with BD145 being ussed it gets harder to destablise. This is properly the best destabliser your gonna get at the moment, with the change of tip maybe. I think WF would do better than SF aswell.

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Yeah, give 90 a try with some tests. I can see how this works as a destabilizer. Could MF possibly work on this?

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Poseidon:
i agree with you to an extent

well, i hate duo

all the hits that wing would do that would of made scythe fly off and loose balance do nothing to duo... it is a freaking brick wall...

guardian is getting close, but that is because of equalization (hmmmm... i think i need to get a new meteo to do some testing...)

WF did do really well when i first tried it (it got close to winning), but i can't control it enough to hit well enough

Rai: i was just thinking that MF might do good myself. again another part that i need to get

to all: just want to point out, this is a very launch needed combo. if it isn't banked enough, or launched hard enough (i sometimes slipped making an around 90% power launch) it doesn't do good.

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Why SF exactly? WD or D are better stamina tips, so perhaps they would improve the results.

Why SF exactly? WD or D are better stamina tips, so perhaps they would improve the results.

because this isn't a stamina combo , its a destabilizer

i was actually going to try them (they were first on my list), but i forgot while watching SF smack Scythe around)

i do thing that FS (not SF) should do better then them though, for wing to destabilize BD145, it needs to be angled, and i can see WD and D not doing that well when heavily banked

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It probably won't do good against phantom and duo, with how bad the Scythe results were.
I have a RSF and 90 but don't have Wing.

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I wonder what a calm CS would do, might have some potetial.

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It probably won't do good against phantom and duo, with how bad the Scythe results were.

don't forget, i still have more to test and i still need to get the launch right. i was only starting to really get wins in after the halfway mark, when i had a better idea on how much to bank to win

IMO this is fairly good results considering i started testing based on some random observations

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Are any of the other modes good for destabilizing? or does the slope get in the way?
Thanks Lord Wolfblade, you may revive the destabilizer!

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Are any of the other modes good for destabilizing? or does the slope get in the way?
Thanks Lord Wolfblade, you may revive the destabilizer!

i need to try them out some more, but i believe "1" lost stamina to quickly, and i can't really remember what "2" was like, IIRC it was in between "1" and "0" for performance
your welcome

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Why SF exactly? WD or D are better stamina tips, so perhaps they would improve the results.

The preferred characteristics of destabilizers is 'hit & run'. So it hits the opponent, stays for a fraction of a second, then it spins out of the way, since if it stays longer like by using stamina bottoms, it risks itself from being force-smashed. FS/SF bottoms provide this characteristics. Although, these days, both bottoms are no longer optimal. Maybe RSF?

Ahem, I was included in these PM's, hahaha

I think this is so cool, I really hope it works out. Destabilizing BD145, sweet!

I think RSF may be too tall. If the height change from 80 to 90 gave worse results, I think RSF would do the same?

I also think SF gives better results than F because the hits are more frequent because it travels a shorter distance?

I have high hopes for this against a defense type. Kei's destabilizer did well against defense and not stamina, and (forget it, I don't even remember which type Kei's destabilizer did well against) in this situation, it's pretty darn close to beating stamina!

Edit 2: ah I was right, Kei's destabilizer did well against defense and not stamina

Maybe RSF?

personally, i do not thing RSF would work

having less stamina (and if RSF has more height then SF, can remember if it does, having more height) will be worse. and i can't really think of what RSF would give to the combo, more stability?

i do thing MF will do great with this though (now i want a MSF)

did results for Wing 85F:
Wing pegasis 85F VS Scythe kronos BD145EDS
Wing: 1 (ko)
scythe: 19 (all outspin)

With F i saw allot of destabilization, but in the end F ran out of stamina way to quickly (it got close to winning allot though)

i tried doing WF, but i gave up after lots of scraping and selfKOing

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I just want to really highlight that "0" is not the appropriate name for the mode at all, and that we should probably not spread that.

I just want to really highlight that "0" is not the appropriate name for the mode at all, and that we should probably not spread that.

sorry, i didn't know what the modes are called (i do know now, just checked), i will fix it now

Done F results. OP updated

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Poseidon:
i agree with you to an extent

well, i hate duo

all the hits that wing would do that would of made scythe fly off and loose balance do nothing to duo... it is a freaking brick wall...

guardian is getting close, but that is because of equalization (hmmmm... i think i need to get a new meteo to do some testing...)

WF did do really well when i first tried it (it got close to winning), but i can't control it enough to hit well enough

Rai: i was just thinking that MF might do good myself. again another part that i need to get

to all: just want to point out, this is a very launch needed combo. if it isn't banked enough, or launched hard enough (i sometimes slipped making an around 90% power launch) it doesn't do good.

If I were you, I probably wouldn't select MF.
It is WAY too tall for destabilizers. And, as you need to destabilize a BD145 combo, something THAT tall might be a trade off. Still, I won't say much as I own none of the parts which were suggested/used for testing.
lord Wolblade, if this works well, I'll be SO happy! I have always seen, and sometimes acquired easy wins against BD145 combos by destabilization. This is much needed proof for me (read- for us) to be able to believe that I was kinda... Not wrong! XD

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Any requests ? I can do tests once I finish my left over homework.

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Yay!!! Finally my favourite type.... Great..
I would like to get this tested against MF-H Basalt BD145 CS.
And can you try the HF tip in place of SF?

Could you try doing a calm CS please ? I think it may have some potetial as a destabliser tip in this case.

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Why calm over aggresive? I would think that an aggresive CS could make for a potential destabilizer. That doesnt mean that a calm one wouldnt be though.

The way I see it, SF, RSF, WF, XF, RF, LF, R2F, LRF, CS (calm), CS (aggresive) and F: D all have potential at destabilizing, if used with the right parts, like Blitz, and agianst the right opponents. Maybe MF as well, but I am not sure...

Yo, you do realise that destabilisers were directly outclassed by LTSC's, right? As in, SF didn't do anything but make them worse.

I just want to really highlight that "0" is not the appropriate name for the mode at all, and that we should probably not spread that.

Maybe, but it's a lot easier to understand for everyone, given Wing's ridonkulous mode names.

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