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[Takara Tomy]  Z Achilles Testing and Discussion (Limited)

Feb. 11, 2020  10:16 PM
 
I wanted to open up this thread so as to possibly allow Z Achilles into Limited format once it goes into experimentation as I have heard it has about the attack power to Seig Xcalibur, especially since Turbo layers will supposedly be allowed in limited. This is a testing and discussion thread for Z Achilles for Limited Format. 

Z Achilles 7Expand Ultimate Reboot’ Vs. Twin Nemesis (MGC and Upper Mode) 7Expand Octa
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Z Achilles 1’Expand Ultimate Reboot’ Vs. Arc Bahamut (MGC) 7Cross Revolve
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Z Achilles 1’Expand Ultimate Reboot’ Vs. Deep Chaos 7Cross Revolve
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Feb. 11, 2020  10:20 PM
 
(Feb. 11, 2020  10:16 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: I wanted to open up this thread so as to possibly allow Z Achilles into Limited format once it goes into experimentation as I have heard it has about the attack power to Seig Xcalibur, especially since Turbo layers will supposedly be allowed in limited. This is a testing and discussion thread for Z Achilles for Limited Format. 

Z Achilles 7Expand Ultimate Reboot’ Vs. Twin Nemesis (MGC and Upper Mode) 7Expand Octa. I did ten rounds.

Results:

Z Achilles: 40% (2 OS’ 2 Burst’s)

Twin Nemesis: (4 OS’ 2 KO’s)

Seems like Z Achilles is really tight on ‘ drivers. I’m not sure how it’s burst resistance is compared to sX, but if it is better, it may be banned just for that reason.

I can confirm that Z Achilles can burst mG3 consistently. Z Achilles is pretty good, but it could never beat Sr or B3, so that's why I don't think it ever saw use in burst standard.
Feb. 11, 2020  10:23 PM
 
(Feb. 11, 2020  10:20 PM)#Fafnir Wrote:
(Feb. 11, 2020  10:16 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: I wanted to open up this thread so as to possibly allow Z Achilles into Limited format once it goes into experimentation as I have heard it has about the attack power to Seig Xcalibur, especially since Turbo layers will supposedly be allowed in limited. This is a testing and discussion thread for Z Achilles for Limited Format. 

Z Achilles 7Expand Ultimate Reboot’ Vs. Twin Nemesis (MGC and Upper Mode) 7Expand Octa. I did ten rounds.

Results:

Z Achilles: 40% (2 OS’ 2 Burst’s)

Twin Nemesis: (4 OS’ 2 KO’s)

Seems like Z Achilles is really tight on ‘ drivers. I’m not sure how it’s burst resistance is compared to sX, but if it is better, it may be banned just for that reason.

I can confirm that Z Achilles can burst mG3 consistently. Z Achilles is pretty good, but it could never beat Sr or B3, so that's why I don't think it ever saw use in burst standard.

A mG counter...I would say that would get it banned but since mG and G3 will be banned from Limited it’s usefulness will go down ever so slightly. I just feel it will be automatically banned just because it’s a Cho-Z Bey.
Feb. 11, 2020  10:33 PM
 
(Feb. 11, 2020  10:23 PM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Feb. 11, 2020  10:20 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: I can confirm that Z Achilles can burst mG3 consistently. Z Achilles is pretty good, but it could never beat Sr or B3, so that's why I don't think it ever saw use in burst standard.

A mG counter...I would say that would get it banned but since mG and G3 will be banned from Limited it’s usefulness will go down ever so slightly. I just feel it will be automatically banned just because it’s a Cho-Z Bey.

Yeah. eF on Outer Revolve can beat almost anything(Including pP Ig').
Feb. 11, 2020  10:34 PM
 
That was my combo idea for the tournament, I got third place with the thing
Feb. 11, 2020  10:44 PM
 
(Feb. 11, 2020  10:33 PM)#Fafnir Wrote:
(Feb. 11, 2020  10:23 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: A mG counter...I would say that would get it banned but since mG and G3 will be banned from Limited it’s usefulness will go down ever so slightly. I just feel it will be automatically banned just because it’s a Cho-Z Bey.

Yeah. eF on Outer Revolve can beat almost anything(Including pP Ig').

Not a discussion about Cho-Z Beys, just Z Achilles.
Feb. 11, 2020  10:48 PM
 
(Feb. 11, 2020  10:44 PM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Feb. 11, 2020  10:33 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: Yeah. eF on Outer Revolve can beat almost anything(Including pP Ig').

Not a discussion about Cho-Z Beys, just Z Achilles.

Yes, but the point of my post was to say that Cho-Z beyblades shouldn't be allowed in Limited format.
Feb. 11, 2020  10:49 PM
 
(Feb. 11, 2020  10:48 PM)#Fafnir Wrote:
(Feb. 11, 2020  10:44 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: Not a discussion about Cho-Z Beys, just Z Achilles.

Yes, but the point of my post was to say that Cho-Z beyblades shouldn't be allowed in Limited format.

Ah, I see. I’m still hoping Z Achilles is allowed as it is the weakest of the Cho-Z Beys, being like a God Layer.
Feb. 11, 2020  10:51 PM
 
(Feb. 11, 2020  10:49 PM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Feb. 11, 2020  10:48 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: Yes, but the point of my post was to say that Cho-Z beyblades shouldn't be allowed in Limited format.

Ah, I see. I’m still hoping Z Achilles is allowed as it is the weakest of the Cho-Z Beys, being like a God Layer.

I would give that spot to hK. zA is actually really good.
Feb. 11, 2020  11:07 PM
 
(Feb. 11, 2020  10:51 PM)#Fafnir Wrote:
(Feb. 11, 2020  10:49 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: Ah, I see. I’m still hoping Z Achilles is allowed as it is the weakest of the Cho-Z Beys, being like a God Layer.

I would give that spot to hK. zA is actually really good.

Not better than God Beys. It was outclassed by Winning Valkyrie at release, and it performs the same as Sieg Xcalibur. Hazard Kerbeus is also not very good, but I am not sure how bad it actually is.
Feb. 12, 2020  11:39 PM
 
Z Achilles 1’Expand Ultimate Reboot’ Vs. Arc Bahamut (MGC) 7Cross Revolve. I did ten rounds.

Results:

Z Achilles: 80% (5 KO’s 3 OS’)

Arc Bahamut: 20% (1 KO 1 OS)

Ul’ is proving to be a good KO attacker, which makes me wonder whether it’s Z Achilles thats really good or Ul’. Probably a combination of both.
Feb. 13, 2020  9:49 PM
 
Z Achilles 1’Expand Ultimate Reboot’ Vs. Kreis Satan (MGC) 7Expand Octa. I did ten rounds.

Results:

Z Achilles: 70% (2 OS’ 5 Burst’s)

Kreis Satan: 30% (2 OS’ 1 KO)

As expected, Kreis Satan burst often.
Feb. 15, 2020  4:20 PM
 
Z Achilles 1’Expand Ultimate Reboot’ Vs. Deep Chaos 7Cross Revolve. I did ten rounds.

Results:

Z Achilles: 30% (2 Burst’s 1 OS)

Deep Chaos: 70% (7 OS’)

Revolve definitely helped Chaos out with the stronger spring, and only burst twice this test. I would call this a decent counter to Z Achilles on Ul’ if you put Chaos on Revolve.
Feb. 15, 2020  6:08 PM
 
Try it against wV.7/0/00V.Ul'
Feb. 15, 2020  6:11 PM
 
(Feb. 15, 2020  6:08 PM)YishYash Wrote: Try it against wV.7/0/00V.Ul'

I don’t have two Ul’, and my only winning Valkyrie has one broken tooth. Did you mean the Deep Chaos combo?
Feb. 15, 2020  6:25 PM
 
(Feb. 15, 2020  6:11 PM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Feb. 15, 2020  6:08 PM)YishYash Wrote: Try it against wV.7/0/00V.Ul'

I don’t have two Ul’, and my only winning Valkyrie has one broken tooth. Did you mean the Deep Chaos combo?

Yeah, against Deep, or the Twin combo. I believe wV has a good chance in the Limited Meta, as it was dominating prior to the release of czA.
Feb. 15, 2020  7:19 PM
 
(Feb. 15, 2020  6:25 PM)YishYash Wrote:
(Feb. 15, 2020  6:11 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: I don’t have two Ul’, and my only winning Valkyrie has one broken tooth. Did you mean the Deep Chaos combo?

Yeah, against Deep, or the Twin combo. I believe wV has a good chance in the Limited Meta, as it was dominating prior to the release of czA.

Hence why it would be banned. Cho-Z layers are gonna he banned for the most part in limited, as it is based around God layers and evolution layers, as well as some turbo layers.