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[Takara Tomy]  Rage Longinus Testing and Discussion

Jul. 10, 2020  5:54 PM
 
(Jul. 10, 2020  1:34 PM)#Fafnir Wrote:
(Jul. 10, 2020  10:34 AM)KerbeusKmie Wrote: Ties redo
Rage Longinus Quick' 3A Vs Brave Valkyrie Xtend+(Stamina) 2A(6Blade)
RLn 2 K.O
BVl 8 O.S
Can someone try this test again I just want to see others result

(Jul. 10, 2020  11:58 AM)SunBlader98 Wrote: Glide Hyperion Absorb 2S vs Stock rage
1.GliH win
2.rage win
3.Glide win
4.glide win
5.Tie

Are these tests being done in the proper stadium?

Yes the normal black tt stadium
Jul. 10, 2020  6:18 PM
 
Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A VS Brave Valkyrie Zone 2A (6 Bladed)
Rage Longinus: 50% (5 KOs)
Brave Valkyrie: 50% (3 KOs, 2 OS)
So, it seems that Brave on Zone is our best bet to countering Rage.
KerbeusKmie
Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A VS Brave Valkyrie Xtend+ 2A (Stamina, 6 Bladed)
Rage Longinus: 30% (3 KOs)
Brave Valkyrie: 70% (5 KOs, 2 OS)
Finally, a counter.
Jul. 10, 2020  6:46 PM
 
(Jul. 10, 2020  6:18 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A VS Brave Valkyrie Zone 2A (6 Bladed)
Rage Longinus: 50% (5 KOs)
Brave Valkyrie: 50% (3 KOs, 2 OS)
So, it seems that Brave on Zone is our best bet to countering Rage.
KerbeusKmie
Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A VS Brave Valkyrie Xtend+ 2A (Stamina, 6 Bladed)
Rage Longinus: 30% (3 KOs)
Brave Valkyrie: 70% (5 KOs, 2 OS)
Finally, a counter.

This is useful information. I don’t know if this is enough to keep it from getting banned, but we will see.
Jul. 10, 2020  6:54 PM
 
(Jul. 10, 2020  6:18 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A VS Brave Valkyrie Zone 2A (6 Bladed)
Rage Longinus: 50% (5 KOs)
Brave Valkyrie: 50% (3 KOs, 2 OS)
So, it seems that Brave on Zone is our best bet to countering Rage.
KerbeusKmie
Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A VS Brave Valkyrie Xtend+ 2A (Stamina, 6 Bladed)
Rage Longinus: 30% (3 KOs)
Brave Valkyrie: 70% (5 KOs, 2 OS)
Finally, a counter.

Do you have Jolt Dash? If so, could you test RLn Jl’ 3A vs BVl Xt+ 2A? I would test this but my Rage Longinus is still in the mail lol
Jul. 10, 2020  7:27 PM
 
Rage Longinus Jolt' 3A vs. MDb.Wh.Kp' (Left)

1: MDb Spin
2: MDb Spin
3: RLn Over
4: MDb Over
5: MDb Spin
6: MDb Spin
7: MDb Over
8: MDb Spin
9: MDb Spin
10: RLn Over

RLn: 20% Win Rate
MDb: 80% Win Rate
Rage Longinus Jolt' 3A vs. Brave Valkyrie Xtend+ 2A (Stamina)

1: BVl Spin
2: BVl Spin
3: RLn Over
4: RLn Burst
5: BVl Over
6: BVl Spin
7: BVl Spin
8: BVl Over
9: RLn Over
10: RLn Over

RLn: 40% Win Rate
BVl: 60% Win Rate
Jul. 10, 2020  7:42 PM
 
(Jul. 10, 2020  6:46 PM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Jul. 10, 2020  6:18 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A VS Brave Valkyrie Zone 2A (6 Bladed)
Rage Longinus: 50% (5 KOs)
Brave Valkyrie: 50% (3 KOs, 2 OS)
So, it seems that Brave on Zone is our best bet to countering Rage.
KerbeusKmie
Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A VS Brave Valkyrie Xtend+ 2A (Stamina, 6 Bladed)
Rage Longinus: 30% (3 KOs)
Brave Valkyrie: 70% (5 KOs, 2 OS)
Finally, a counter.

This is useful information. I don’t know if this is enough to keep it from getting banned, but we will see.

Rage is being considered for a ban from standard?
Jul. 10, 2020  7:43 PM
 
(Jul. 10, 2020  7:42 PM)bcpaws Wrote:
(Jul. 10, 2020  6:46 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: This is useful information. I don’t know if this is enough to keep it from getting banned, but we will see.

Rage is being considered for a ban from standard?

No, but the testing is showing serious power. Something I’d call ban worthy IMO.
Jul. 10, 2020  7:45 PM
 
(Jul. 10, 2020  7:43 PM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Jul. 10, 2020  7:42 PM)bcpaws Wrote: Rage is being considered for a ban from standard?

No, but the testing is showing serious power. Something I’d call ban worthy IMO.

Why ban a buff to attack types when stamina lad beys have been dominant for such a long time and attack types need much more skill to use?
Jul. 10, 2020  7:48 PM
 
(Jul. 10, 2020  5:33 PM)#Fafnir Wrote:
(Jul. 10, 2020  5:19 PM)CitrusNinja3 Wrote: Sure, Master should be tanky enough to use the normal Keep, although I definitely want to see Jolt' or Quick' go up against it at some point if someone else can test it.

Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A VS Master Spriggan Wheel Keep (Left)
Rage Longinus: 60% (5 KOs, 1 OS)
Master Spriggan: 40% (3 KOs, 1 OS)
I'd definitely say Master on Keep/Keep' could beat Rage on Jolt', Quick', Xtreme', etc.

Hey g2_, could you possibly test Rage Longinus on Quick'/Jolt' against Master Diabolos2 Wheel Keep'?
Sure.
Jul. 10, 2020  7:48 PM
 
(Jul. 10, 2020  7:45 PM)bcpaws Wrote:
(Jul. 10, 2020  7:43 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: No, but the testing is showing serious power. Something I’d call ban worthy IMO.

Why ban a buff to attack types when stamina lad beys have been dominant for such a long time and attack types need much more skill to use?

Rage hasn’t been showing requiring much skill to use well. This thing is powerful even in the hands of someone who isn’t skilled with attack types.
Jul. 10, 2020  7:58 PM
 
(Jul. 10, 2020  7:48 PM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Jul. 10, 2020  7:45 PM)bcpaws Wrote: Why ban a buff to attack types when stamina lad beys have been dominant for such a long time and attack types need much more skill to use?

Rage hasn’t been showing requiring much skill to use well. This thing is powerful even in the hands of someone who isn’t skilled with attack types.

It still takes more skill then stamina types or anything else and does this mean you want every new attack type that could possibly be better then judgement to be banned? Because  that just leads to the same issue we had for the longest time with lad stamina types
Jul. 10, 2020  8:00 PM
 
(Jul. 10, 2020  7:58 PM)bcpaws Wrote:
(Jul. 10, 2020  7:48 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: Rage hasn’t been showing requiring much skill to use well. This thing is powerful even in the hands of someone who isn’t skilled with attack types.

It still takes more skill then stamina types or anything else and does this mean you want every new attack type that could possibly be better then judgement to be banned? Because  that just leads to the same issue we had for the longest time with lad stamina types

Stamina types can be countered by attack types. What counters attack types besides themselves? Judgement is already really good, but it has counters. This on the other hand hasn’t shown many counters. Rage has shown to be so powerful that it’s almost too powerful.
Jul. 10, 2020  8:02 PM
 
(Jul. 10, 2020  8:00 PM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Jul. 10, 2020  7:58 PM)bcpaws Wrote: It still takes more skill then stamina types or anything else and does this mean you want every new attack type that could possibly be better then judgement to be banned? Because  that just leads to the same issue we had for the longest time with lad stamina types

Stamina types can be countered by attack types. What counters attack types besides themselves? Judgement is already really good, but it has counters. This on the other hand hasn’t shown many counters. Rage has shown to be so powerful that it’s almost too powerful.

So then rather then banning it we should be using not just xt+  and should start using keep or unite
Jul. 11, 2020  3:30 PM
 
Could someone try Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A vs Perfect Phoenix Wheel Keep'? Level Chip on Phoenix is optional.
Jul. 11, 2020  3:38 PM
 
(Jul. 11, 2020  3:30 PM)SilverRaven Wrote: Could someone try Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A vs Perfect Phoenix Wheel Keep'? Level Chip on Phoenix is optional.

I can do that test, but I'll have to use regular Keep.
Jul. 11, 2020  3:53 PM
 
Random suggestion but Orb Egis Around Zone vs Rage on 3A and ULT reboot'
Jul. 11, 2020  3:56 PM
 
(Jul. 11, 2020  3:53 PM)Nitrogenic Wrote: Random suggestion but Orb Egis Around Zone vs Rage on 3A and ULT reboot'

Unfortunately I don't have around.
Jul. 11, 2020  4:00 PM
 
(Jul. 11, 2020  3:38 PM)#Fafnir Wrote:
(Jul. 11, 2020  3:30 PM)SilverRaven Wrote: Could someone try Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A vs Perfect Phoenix Wheel Keep'? Level Chip on Phoenix is optional.

I can do that test, but I'll have to use regular Keep.

Aside from potential Bursts, it should yield similar results, so that should be fine.
Jul. 11, 2020  5:41 PM
 
(Jul. 11, 2020  3:30 PM)SilverRaven Wrote: Could someone try Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A vs Perfect Phoenix Wheel Keep'? Level Chip on Phoenix is optional.

Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A vs Perfect Phoenix Wheel Keep' 10 rounds, Phoenix always launched first. Ties are redone.

Phoenix 80%: 7 spin finishes, 1 ko.

Longinus 20%: 2 spin finishes.
Jul. 11, 2020  5:49 PM
 
(Jul. 11, 2020  5:41 PM)g2_ Wrote:
(Jul. 11, 2020  3:30 PM)SilverRaven Wrote: Could someone try Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A vs Perfect Phoenix Wheel Keep'? Level Chip on Phoenix is optional.

Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A vs Perfect Phoenix Wheel Keep' 10 rounds, Phoenix always launched first. Ties are redone.

Phoenix 80%: 7 spin finishes, 1 ko.

Longinus 20%: 2 spin finishes.

Wow! I had done some tests against Zwei, hence my request, but I'm impressed at how well that did. The combo also seemed to tie or lose by the smallest amount against Master Diabolos 2 00W Bearing and Lord Spriggan (Left) 0Cross xtend+. Might make this combo something that can be considered, since it may not be a strict counter choice. Though right spin attackers can be an issue.
Jul. 11, 2020  6:02 PM
 
(Jul. 11, 2020  5:41 PM)g2_ Wrote:
(Jul. 11, 2020  3:30 PM)SilverRaven Wrote: Could someone try Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A vs Perfect Phoenix Wheel Keep'? Level Chip on Phoenix is optional.

Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A vs Perfect Phoenix Wheel Keep' 10 rounds, Phoenix always launched first. Ties are redone.

Phoenix 80%: 7 spin finishes, 1 ko.

Longinus 20%: 2 spin finishes.

I just did the same test but without the dash version of Keep.
Rage Longinus Ul' 3A VS Perfect Phoenix Wh Kp
Rage Longinus: 60% (6 KOs)
Perfect Phoenix: 40% (2 OS, 2 KOs)
Jul. 11, 2020  6:07 PM
 
(Jul. 11, 2020  6:02 PM)#Fafnir Wrote:
(Jul. 11, 2020  5:41 PM)g2_ Wrote: Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A vs Perfect Phoenix Wheel Keep' 10 rounds, Phoenix always launched first. Ties are redone.

Phoenix 80%: 7 spin finishes, 1 ko.

Longinus 20%: 2 spin finishes.

I just did the same test but without the dash version of Keep.
Rage Longinus Ul' 3A VS Perfect Phoenix Wh Kp
Rage Longinus: 60% (6 KOs)
Perfect Phoenix: 40% (2 OS, 2 KOs)

Interesting. I wonder if Keep' makes the difference, or if this just goes to show how inconsistent results may be? Though it is interesting that Rage won strictly by KOs in this vs the OS in the previous test.
Jul. 11, 2020  6:12 PM
 
Here are some tests I did yesterday with Rage on 2S.
Tests (Click to View)
Jul. 11, 2020  7:59 PM
 
(Jul. 11, 2020  6:07 PM)SilverRaven Wrote:
(Jul. 11, 2020  6:02 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: I just did the same test but without the dash version of Keep.
Rage Longinus Ul' 3A VS Perfect Phoenix Wh Kp
Rage Longinus: 60% (6 KOs)
Perfect Phoenix: 40% (2 OS, 2 KOs)

Interesting. I wonder if Keep' makes the difference, or if this just goes to show how inconsistent results may be? Though it is interesting that Rage won strictly by KOs in this vs the OS in the previous test.
My Keep' is new, maybe that's the reason.
(Jul. 11, 2020  6:12 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: Here are some tests I did yesterday with Rage on 2S.
Tests (Click to View)
Wow Valkyrie lost.
Jul. 11, 2020  8:06 PM
 
(Jul. 11, 2020  7:59 PM)g2_ Wrote:
(Jul. 11, 2020  6:07 PM)SilverRaven Wrote: Interesting. I wonder if Keep' makes the difference, or if this just goes to show how inconsistent results may be? Though it is interesting that Rage won strictly by KOs in this vs the OS in the previous test.
My Keep' is new, maybe that's the reason.
(Jul. 11, 2020  6:12 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: Here are some tests I did yesterday with Rage on 2S.
Tests (Click to View)
Wow Valkyrie lost.

I hardly ever use my keep driver, so that probably isn't it.
Yeah, Rage on 2S has INSANE recoil.
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