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[Takara Tomy]  Rage Longinus Testing and Discussion

Jul. 07, 2020  8:30 PM
 
(Jul. 07, 2020  8:27 PM)g2_ Wrote:
(Jul. 07, 2020  8:16 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: Hmmm...try Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot’ 3A Vs Lord Dragon2 Sting Keep, assuming you do not have Keep’.
Lord has more than enough burst resistance anyway. But if you want, I can test it. I have Keep'.

Please do. In fact, just for extra burst reistance, use 0Cross.
Jul. 07, 2020  8:30 PM
 
(Jul. 07, 2020  8:29 PM)#Fafnir Wrote:
(Jul. 07, 2020  8:16 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: Hmmm...try Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot’ 3A Vs Lord Dragon2 Sting Keep, assuming you do not have Keep’.

Lord Dragon2 Sting Keep VS Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A
Lord Dragon2 Sting Keep: 0%
Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A: 100% (7 KOs, 3 OS)
By the way, all of these tests have been 10 rounds, ties redone.
Thats, impressive. Rage is top tier in my opinion.
Jul. 07, 2020  8:43 PM
 
Rage Longinus Xtreme' (if you have it) 3A Vs Master Bahamut Around Bearing
Jul. 07, 2020  8:44 PM
 
(Jul. 07, 2020  8:30 PM)g2_ Wrote:
(Jul. 07, 2020  8:29 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: Lord Dragon2 Sting Keep VS Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A
Lord Dragon2 Sting Keep: 0%
Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A: 100% (7 KOs, 3 OS)
By the way, all of these tests have been 10 rounds, ties redone.
Thats, impressive. Rage is top tier in my opinion.

Actually, also test Archer Hercules Sting Keep’ against Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot’ 3A. I wanna see how well it does.
Jul. 08, 2020  2:10 PM
 
I'm very sorry, but I won't be able to accept any test requests for at least a few days. My Master Diabolos LR launcher broke on me last night.
However, I did get one last test, and it was comparing Rage's power to Judgement's power.
Rage Longinus Ds' 3A VS Lord Spriggan (Right) 0C Xt+ (Stamina)
Rage Longinus: 60% (6 KOs)
Lord Spriggan: 40% (3 OS,1 KO)

Judgement Achilles Blitz Destroy' Retsu VS Lord Spriggan (Left) 0C Xtend+ (Stamina)
Judgement Achilles: 50% (5 KOs)
Lord Spriggan: 50% (4 OS,1 KO)
Jul. 08, 2020  2:31 PM
 
(Jul. 08, 2020  2:10 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: I'm very sorry, but I won't be able to accept any test requests for at least a few days. My Master Diabolos LR launcher broke on me last night.
However, I did get one last test, and it was comparing Rage's power to Judgement's power.
Rage Longinus Ds' 3A VS Lord Spriggan (Right) 0C Xt+ (Stamina)
Rage Longinus: 60% (6 KOs)
Lord Spriggan: 40% (3 OS,1 KO)

Judgement Achilles Blitz Destroy' Retsu VS Lord Spriggan (Left) 0C Xtend+ (Stamina)
Judgement Achilles: 50% (5 KOs)
Lord Spriggan: 50% (4 OS,1 KO)

Those are very close tests. I feel they’re so close in fact, that redoing the test would yield different results. I think Rage and Judgement are equals for attack, from what we have seen so far.
Jul. 08, 2020  7:31 PM
 
I could always test combos too by the way if anyone got any I got most Burst stuff however out of anything popular I am missing Xtreme' so don't give me an X' combo
Jul. 08, 2020  7:35 PM
 
(Jul. 08, 2020  7:31 PM)MrBlade Wrote: I could always test combos too by the way if anyone got any I got most Burst stuff however out of anything popular I am missing Xtreme' so don't give me an X' combo

Rage Longinus Ul' 3A VS Archer Hercules Sting Keep'
Jul. 08, 2020  7:40 PM
 
(Jul. 08, 2020  7:35 PM)#Fafnir Wrote:
(Jul. 08, 2020  7:31 PM)MrBlade Wrote: I could always test combos too by the way if anyone got any I got most Burst stuff however out of anything popular I am missing Xtreme' so don't give me an X' combo

Rage Longinus Ul' 3A VS Archer Hercules Sting Keep'

I don’t think he has Keep’, but he might have Keep.

Edit: It seems he does have Keep’. This will be interesting to see.
Jul. 08, 2020  7:47 PM
 
Rage Longinus Ul' 3A VS Archer Hercules Sting Keep'

1: RLn Over
2: RLn Over
3: RLn Over
4: RLn Over
5: RLn Spin
6: RLn Spin
7: RLn Over
8: RLn Spin
9: RLn Over
10: RLn Over

RLn: 100% Win Rate
aH: 0% Win Rate
Jul. 08, 2020  7:49 PM
 
(Jul. 08, 2020  7:47 PM)MrBlade Wrote: Rage Longinus Ul' 3A VS Archer Hercules Sting Keep'

1: RLn Over
2: RLn Over
3: RLn Over
4: RLn Over
5: RLn Spin
6: RLn Spin
7: RLn Over
8: RLn Spin
9: RLn Over
10: RLn Over

RLn: 100% Win Rate
aH: 0% Win Rate

I’m starting to think Rage Longinus needs to be banned. If we can’t find a counter, we will have a problem.
Jul. 08, 2020  7:57 PM
 
(Jul. 08, 2020  7:49 PM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Jul. 08, 2020  7:47 PM)MrBlade Wrote: Rage Longinus Ul' 3A VS Archer Hercules Sting Keep'

1: RLn Over
2: RLn Over
3: RLn Over
4: RLn Over
5: RLn Spin
6: RLn Spin
7: RLn Over
8: RLn Spin
9: RLn Over
10: RLn Over

RLn: 100% Win Rate
aH: 0% Win Rate

I’m starting to think Rage Longinus needs to be banned. If we can’t find a counter, we will have a problem.
Rage definitely doesn't need to be banned.
Jul. 08, 2020  8:16 PM
 
(Jul. 08, 2020  7:57 PM)g2_ Wrote:
(Jul. 08, 2020  7:49 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: I’m starting to think Rage Longinus needs to be banned. If we can’t find a counter, we will have a problem.
Rage definitely doesn't need to be banned.

Tell me a counter to Rage then. It’s consistently beating every combo we’re putting up against it. We haven’t found a single counter to it yet. I’d call that ban worthy.
Jul. 08, 2020  8:19 PM
 
(Jul. 08, 2020  8:16 PM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Jul. 08, 2020  7:57 PM)g2_ Wrote: Rage definitely doesn't need to be banned.

Tell me a counter to Rage then. It’s consistently beating every combo we’re putting up against it. We haven’t found a single counter to it yet. I’d call that ban worthy.
Brave Valkyrie Xtend+ 2A.
Jul. 08, 2020  8:22 PM
 
(Jul. 08, 2020  8:19 PM)g2_ Wrote:
(Jul. 08, 2020  8:16 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: Tell me a counter to Rage then. It’s consistently beating every combo we’re putting up against it. We haven’t found a single counter to it yet. I’d call that ban worthy.
Brave Valkyrie Xtend+ 2A.

I’d like to see test results on that actually. If it was during free unrecorded play, I’d appreciate if you tested it and showed us the results. I wanna see how good this counter is for myself.
Jul. 08, 2020  8:25 PM
 
(Jul. 08, 2020  8:22 PM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Jul. 08, 2020  8:19 PM)g2_ Wrote: Brave Valkyrie Xtend+ 2A.

I’d like to see test results on that actually. If it was during free unrecorded play, I’d appreciate if you tested it and showed us the results. I wanna see how good this counter is for myself.
Ok, I'll do it.
Jul. 08, 2020  8:49 PM
 
I'd like to see RLn.Qc' 3A vs Left Spin MDb.Wh.Kp' since that seems to be one of the best tanks in the current meta.
Jul. 08, 2020  8:55 PM
 
(Jul. 08, 2020  8:22 PM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Jul. 08, 2020  8:19 PM)g2_ Wrote: Brave Valkyrie Xtend+ 2A.

I’d like to see test results on that actually. If it was during free unrecorded play, I’d appreciate if you tested it and showed us the results. I wanna see how good this counter is for myself.
Brave Valkyrie Zone 2A (6 blades) vs Rage Longinus Quick' 3A. 10 rounds. 

Brave Valkyrie 100% 10 spin finishes.
Jul. 08, 2020  8:59 PM
 
(Jul. 08, 2020  8:55 PM)g2_ Wrote:
(Jul. 08, 2020  8:22 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: I’d like to see test results on that actually. If it was during free unrecorded play, I’d appreciate if you tested it and showed us the results. I wanna see how good this counter is for myself.
Brave Valkyrie Zone 2A (6 blades) vs Rage Longinus Quick' 3A. 10 rounds. 

Brave Valkyrie 100% 10 spin finishes.
This is quite interesting. My only question is that you do one final test with Rage Longinus. Same matchups, except replace Quick’ with Ultimate Reboot’.
Jul. 08, 2020  9:31 PM
 
(Jul. 08, 2020  8:59 PM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Jul. 08, 2020  8:55 PM)g2_ Wrote: Brave Valkyrie Zone 2A (6 blades) vs Rage Longinus Quick' 3A. 10 rounds. 

Brave Valkyrie 100% 10 spin finishes.
This is quite interesting. My only question is that you do one final test with Rage Longinus. Same matchups, except replace Quick’ with Ultimate Reboot’.
Ok.
(Jul. 08, 2020  8:59 PM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Jul. 08, 2020  8:55 PM)g2_ Wrote: Brave Valkyrie Zone 2A (6 blades) vs Rage Longinus Quick' 3A. 10 rounds. 

Brave Valkyrie 100% 10 spin finishes.
This is quite interesting. My only question is that you do one final test with Rage Longinus. Same matchups, except replace Quick’ with Ultimate Reboot’.

Brave Valkyrie Zone 2A (6 blades) vs Rage Longinus Ul' 3A. 10 rounds. 

Brave Valkyrie 60% (5 spin finishes, 2 KOs)
Rage Longinus 40% (2 spin finishes, 1 KOs)

Ultimate Reboot had compareble LAD to Zone. 

I've also done the test with Lord. 
Lord Valkyrie 0Cross Zone vs Rage Longinus Ul' 3A. 10 rounds. 



Lord Valkyrie 0% 
Rage Longinus 100% (1 spin finishes, 9 KOs)
Jul. 08, 2020  11:57 PM
 
Mmm interesting so brave might be the counter to rage how about RLn.Un 3A vs BVl.Zn 2A
Jul. 09, 2020  11:32 AM
 
(Jul. 08, 2020  7:49 PM)BuilderROB Wrote:
(Jul. 08, 2020  7:47 PM)MrBlade Wrote: Rage Longinus Ul' 3A VS Archer Hercules Sting Keep'

1: RLn Over
2: RLn Over
3: RLn Over
4: RLn Over
5: RLn Spin
6: RLn Spin
7: RLn Over
8: RLn Spin
9: RLn Over
10: RLn Over

RLn: 100% Win Rate
aH: 0% Win Rate

I’m starting to think Rage Longinus needs to be banned. If we can’t find a counter, we will have a problem.

Rage hardly needs a ban, Lord was never banned and we all know how good it was/is. The issue is that there's really not much in the way of proper KO defense right now, other than sheer weight. Although, the 2D chassis that comes with Variant Lucifer could be promising, as long as it's not prone to breakage.
In the meantime, might I suggest Master Diabolos Wheel Keep'? I'd test it myself but my RLn hasn't arrived yet.
Jul. 09, 2020  8:33 PM
 
Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A VS Brave Valkyrie Xtend+ 2A (Stamina, 6 Bladed)
Rage Longinus: 80% (6 KOs, 2 BF)
Brave Valkyrie: 20% (1 KO, 1 OS)

Rage Longinus Ultimate Reboot' 3A VS Brave Valkyrie Zone 2A (3 Bladed Mode)
Rage Longinus: 50% (4 KOs, 1 OS)
Brave Valkyrie: 50% (5 KOs)
So about 50% of the time, a combo that has no other uses can beat Rage. This isn't good. Hopefully 2D can help neutralize Rage's attack power.
Jul. 09, 2020  9:27 PM
 
I guess it makes sense, Brave kinda suffers in opposite spin matchups, while Rage excels there, if I'm correct.
Jul. 09, 2020  9:29 PM
 
(Jul. 09, 2020  9:27 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: I guess it makes sense, Brave kinda suffers in opposite spin matchups, while Rage excels there, if I'm correct.

Exactly it is 100% right..
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