[Takara Tomy] Imperfect Phoenix Testing and Discussion

AirKingNeo · Nov. 05, 2020 12:24 AM

(Note: As of this thread's opening, Imperfect Phoenix is banned in Burst Limited.)

This is another "well if Shining/Shadow Amaterios exists in this format, what about another similar layer?" sort of thread. Except this time I'm saying upfront that I feel like sA is OP and that iP is worse than it. But lets see if iP is balanced.

Same Spin Stamina

Imperfect Phoenix.Outer.Orbit vs Alter Chronos.Outer.Orbit
(Simultaneous launching)
iP.outer.O: 3 wins (3 OS)
aC.outer.O: 7 wins (7 OS)
Ties: 2
Notes: Armor came off 3 rounds.

Imperfect Phoenix.Outer.Orbit vs Twin Nemesis.Outer.Orbit (upper mode)
(Simultaneous launching)
iP.outer.O: 6 wins (6 OS)
tN.outer.O: 4 wins (4 OS)
Ties: 3 (1 DB)
Notes: Armor came off 4 rounds.

Imperfect Phoenix.Outer.Orbit vs Shining Amaterios.Outer.Orbit
(Simultaneous launching)
iP.outer.O: 2 wins (2 OS)
sA.outer.O: 8 wins (8 OS)
Ties: 0
Notes: Armor came off 5 rounds.

Vs Attack

Imperfect Phoenix.00Cross.Universe vs Twin Nemesis.Outer.Assault'
(tN launched 2nd)
iP.00C.Un: 3 win (3 OS)
tN.outer.assault': 7 win (5 OS, 2 KO)
Ties: 1
Notes: Armor came off 6 rounds. I decided to use Universe because of Atomic's worse spring, making the armor come off easier. Turns out Universe is bad for this layer.

Imperfect Phoenix.00Cross.Atomic vs Twin Nemesis.Outer.Assault'
(tN launched 2nd)
iP.00C.At: 6 win (6 OS)
tN.outer.assault': 4 win (1 OS, 1 KO, 2 BF)
Ties: 1
Notes: I forgot to keep track of armor coming off count. It was like 5 or more.

Imperfect Phoenix.00Cross.Atomic vs Sieg Xcalibur.00Bump.Quick'
(sX launched 2nd)
iP.00C.At: 5 win (5 OS)
sX.00B.Qc': 5 win (3 KO, 2 BF)
Ties: 0

I think Imperfect Phoenix would be fine and potentially not even top tier for the format.

Give us Assault' re-release, Iron', and Charge'. Give a non-limited re-release of Cho-Z Achilles.
Legend Spriggan on tall attack drivers for Burst Limited is fun.
Against layer powercreep in Burst Limited.

6Jupiter5 · Nov. 05, 2020 12:40 AM

Someone already reported it.

I think imperfect Phoenix would be just fine. What is the weight of the layer

g2_ · Nov. 05, 2020 1:10 AM

(Nov. 05, 2020 12:40 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Someone already reported it.

I think imperfect Phoenix would be just fine. What is the weight of the layer

17 grams .

[[ NØBØDY ]] · Nov. 05, 2020 1:53 AM

(Nov. 05, 2020 1:10 AM)g2_ Wrote:
(Nov. 05, 2020 12:40 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Someone already reported it.

I think imperfect Phoenix would be just fine. What is the weight of the layer
17 grams .

I think the light weight really hampers the stamina, this I feel can be allowed in limited format, it seems to be useful on Destroy' for me.

Hi there!

6Jupiter5 · Nov. 05, 2020 2:00 AM

(Nov. 05, 2020 1:10 AM)g2_ Wrote:
(Nov. 05, 2020 12:40 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Someone already reported it.

I think imperfect Phoenix would be just fine. What is the weight of the layer
17 grams .

So that’s not too bad. There’s stuff heavier than it.

g2_ · Nov. 05, 2020 2:33 AM

(Nov. 05, 2020 2:00 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:
(Nov. 05, 2020 1:10 AM)g2_ Wrote: 17 grams .

So that’s not too bad. There’s stuff heavier than it.

Yeah most Cho-Z beys. Maybe even all of them.

6Jupiter5 · Nov. 05, 2020 2:42 AM

(Nov. 05, 2020 2:33 AM)g2_ Wrote:
(Nov. 05, 2020 2:00 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: So that’s not too bad. There’s stuff heavier than it.
Yeah most Cho-Z beys. Maybe even all of them.

I was talking in limited

g2_ · Nov. 05, 2020 3:23 AM

(Nov. 05, 2020 2:42 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:
(Nov. 05, 2020 2:33 AM)g2_ Wrote: Yeah most Cho-Z beys. Maybe even all of them.

I was talking in limited

I was talking about the Cho-Z beys that are legal in Limited.

[[ NØBØDY ]] · Nov. 05, 2020 3:37 AM

(Nov. 05, 2020 2:33 AM)g2_ Wrote:
(Nov. 05, 2020 2:00 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: So that’s not too bad. There’s stuff heavier than it.
Yeah most Cho-Z beys. Maybe even all of them.

Possibly Siege Xcalibur too

Hi there!

g2_ · Nov. 05, 2020 3:40 AM

(Nov. 05, 2020 3:37 AM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote:
(Nov. 05, 2020 2:33 AM)g2_ Wrote: Yeah most Cho-Z beys. Maybe even all of them.

Possibly Siege Xcalibur too

Sieg is 16 grams, so no.

6Jupiter5 · Nov. 05, 2020 4:37 AM

(Nov. 05, 2020 3:40 AM)g2_ Wrote:
(Nov. 05, 2020 3:37 AM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: Possibly Siege Xcalibur too

Sieg is 16 grams, so no.

Flame saggitario be like: I am weight

g2_ · Nov. 05, 2020 1:12 PM

(Nov. 05, 2020 4:37 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:
(Nov. 05, 2020 3:40 AM)g2_ Wrote: Sieg is 16 grams, so no.

Flame saggitario be like: I am weight

Is Flame Sagittario allowed in Limited?

SunBlader98 · Nov. 05, 2020 1:46 PM

(Nov. 05, 2020 1:12 PM)g2_ Wrote:
(Nov. 05, 2020 4:37 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Flame saggitario be like: I am weight
Is Flame Sagittario allowed in Limited?

Yes

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AirKingNeo · May. 13, 2021 4:14 AM

I got Deep Chaos recently so I've decided to test these layers against it in same spin, as well as test against the main attack layer of the format.

Imperfect Phoenix.Outer.Orbit vs Deep Chaos.Outer.Orbit
(Simultaneous launching)
iP.outer.O: 2 wins (2 OS)
dC.outer.O: 8 wins (8 OS)
Ties: 0
Notes: Armor came off 0 rounds.
Notes: Deep Chaos is sooo good, but I should probably try iP on At with dC on Revolve.

Imperfect Phoenix.00Proof.Atomic vs Buster Xcalibur.00Axe.Quick'
(bX launched 2nd)
iP.00P.At: 6 wins (6 OS)
bX.00A.Qc': 4 wins (4 BF)
Ties: 0
Notes: Armor came off 10 rounds.

Give us Assault' re-release, Iron', and Charge'. Give a non-limited re-release of Cho-Z Achilles.
Legend Spriggan on tall attack drivers for Burst Limited is fun.
Against layer powercreep in Burst Limited.