The thing with Lodin, Fumiya, Blind or Even Joe they never were meant to be devolped further they were simply use to hype up the Real cast. Blind for example was their to make Delta look better to evolved his gold turbo thing as for lodin he was simply their to promoted longinus to show the threat of a Longinus same apply with fumiya they difference os fumiya happen to have an actual personality that standout. Blind was also fun but they had set up that his more into painting while lodin was more into gymnastic the tone was already set,  if were talking about a wasted character my money would be on Pot hope and Arthur. Now why Arthur imo he should've been the final boss but was put aside for Gwynn (Nothing against Gwynn his actually my favorite out of GT). when i look at lodin he feels like a copy of Houi from cho z or a discount Xhaka.

Now this I agree with. That's basically it in a nutshell. I especially agree about Pheng. They set up his journey with Hyper Flux and never followed up on it. That was weakness in Rise's narrative. If you don't plan to follow up, don't set up. Arthur I can understand that it may seem that way but he was actually still pursuing his goal, he just wasn't strong enough to make it happen. But that point about Pheng and for the most part your points about those other characters I absolutely agree with. I think sometimes people say we should have this or that character without asking, "For what purpose?"

Yea the Pheng part got me like whats the point of hitting that his this so call genius and is going for gold turbo, They even hint a rematch between him and Amane but never follow through. And the thing is His match vs Delta was actually good I was like this pot can put work, but nada he simply Fade away

Now this I agree with. That's basically it in a nutshell. I especially agree about Pheng. They set up his journey with Hyper Flux and never followed up on it. That was weakness in Rise's narrative. If you don't plan to follow up, don't set up. Arthur I can understand that it may seem that way but he was actually still pursuing his goal, he just wasn't strong enough to make it happen. But that point about Pheng and for the most part your points about those other characters I absolutely agree with. I think sometimes people say we should have this or that character without asking, "For what purpose?"

Yea the Pheng part got me like whats the point of hitting that his this so call genius and is going for gold turbo, They even hint a rematch between him and Amane but never follow through. And the thing is His match vs Delta was actually good I was like this pot can put work, but nada he simply Fade away

Exactly. Hit the nail on the head. Rise is a great season, but that was a particularly flawed thread.

Ik they weren't all that relevant. All im saying is that it WOULD HAVE been cool to see more of them. Like they hype up these bladers but basically threw them out right when their introduce. Again im not calling amane bad, and im not saying he had bad development at all. He had a solid character but from when i watched it they dont put much focus on him until the final arc. Everyone can agree that throughout the majority of the season amane was only used to advertise new beys and opponents drum had to beat. Amane only got any real (yet really good) development when the season was already coming to an end. Everything up to that point was all up to drum and delta. Amane wanting to catch up to them was still a solid character point for him. He showed clear frustration that he couldnt catch up so he used that frustration as determination to improve himself And through that hard work he not only connected with ashura but activated gold turbo showing that they truely had a strong bond, he also wanted to make the victories a well known team. I even agreed with you when you made his character break down. But why do you think amane was fustrated? For the same reason i mentioned for a majority of the season he was left in the dust and irrelevant only used to advertise beys and opponents for drum. He doesnt have wasted potential  I like him, he had a cool design, bey, character arc but they only started touching on it at the end.

One rule of thumb when it comes to writing is to get rid of the excess. If something is not serving to move plot or character forward, it needs to discarded. Now they could thrown Lodin for example somewhere else down the line, but that would have been exactly the kind of excess economical storytelling tells one to get rid of, not add. Because he simply would have been there and progressing plot or character forward. Blindt appears later where he actually was contributing to the story because that was a place he could actually do so. Having him around just to hang around is not wise use of one's storytelling time. If something is not contributing to pushing the story or characters forward, It has to go. Lodin pushed the story forward during the Bey Carnival and as such he was rightfully there.

I think sometimes people say we should have seen more of this character or more of that character without regard for wether if they could actually would have a role to play in pushing the story. Character appearances for appearances sake which would create a weakness in the story, not a strength.

Arman's being able to form a connection with Ashindra, to achieve hyper flux, wasn't purely down to training, it was only once he recognized the value of his combination of his personal qualities was able to forge that connection. It was that personal, internal realization that opened the way for that and it's personal, internal relatable growth like that I look for when I'm selecting characters for a arc breakdown. It wasn't just mere frustration, the real struggle was about that lack of understanding of and confidence in his own unique blend of qualities. I look foe not just growth in Blading, but personal relatable character arcs. Silas, Daigo, Ken, Gwyn, Delta & Arman journey within themselves had nothing to do really with Blading but with human struggles (not knowing where one belongs, a struggle with guilt, the healing human connection can bring etc) nothing really to do with Blading, but simply human feelings that sprung up in a beyblade context.

It's not in dispute that Arman's main arc took place towards the end of the season, it was his entire journey up to that point that made that arc work, it culminated in his personal growth at the end. The same is true of Delta, they worked up to his rounding out of his arc.

Yea and i completely agree with all of what you said. Some characters dont need to be put in for the sake of just being put in because sometimes it is a one and done deal. All im saying is that it WOULD have been WOULD. Not that it should happen. All i said is that it would have been cool to see them again. If they didnt then oh well. But that doesnt change the fact that some people feel like their could have been more done with them (not that it cant or will but that theres a chance) because think about it from a stand point before we know the whole story. There are multiple ways for characters to be implemented because theres still open paths for a story to go. But you only see the final results on how things can work and can not work at the end. Sometimes it can work sometimes it wont. I still say amane had a good character arc theres no doubt about that. And like you said Amane’s experience throughout the season is what built up to his golden potential at the end, with him forming a true bond with his bey and beyond even defeating Arthur (which is still really impressive). And i agree with you about everything you say about Amane. I dont disagree by any means his development is still solid like I’ve admitted multiple times before. The only thing im trying to say is i feel like amane had more potential im pretty sure a lot of other people would agree. He still had good development that fact still stands. Others can still say that it felt a bit to late though. Just because its good development doesnt mean it cant feel a bit late. You feel like it was good thats well good! But thats your opinion. Do i feel like his development was good? Yes! But i also feel like it was a bit late as well not saying its bad though. But that still wont change the fact that some felt he was basically irrelevant until the end when he unlocked gold turbo. With as much hard work that he puts in I just feel like amane had more potential not that he had none or little. And that other characters could have possibly returned but if they didnt then ok it just wasnt in the cards for them. Not disagreeing with anything your saying as all of is is true.

Also wasn’t Arman getting thrown like a rag doll in the beginning of the season just a lead up to him developing? Because if you look back at episode 43 he was sitting on the hill rethinking all the times that Dante grew stronger, yet he looked at himself saying, “Dante beat Arthur and I can’t even go into Hyper-Flux.” This was the turning point to his development. Also Delta and Ashindra shook him of this “I’m not good enough” mindset.

Also wasn’t Arman getting thrown like a rag doll in the beginning of the season just a lead up to him developing? Because if you look back at episode 43 he was sitting on the hill rethinking all the times that Dante grew stronger, yet he looked at himself saying, “Dante beat Arthur and I can’t even go into Hyper-Flux.” This was the turning point to his development. Also Delta and Ashindra shook him of this “I’m not good enough” mindset.

yea it was. All of the losses and reflections Armane has have lead up to his golden potential that he would unlock through his bond with ashura.

One rule of thumb when it comes to writing is to get rid of the excess. If something is not serving to move plot or character forward, it needs to discarded. Now they could thrown Lodin for example somewhere else down the line, but that would have been exactly the kind of excess economical storytelling tells one to get rid of, not add. Because he simply would have been there and progressing plot or character forward. Blindt appears later where he actually was contributing to the story because that was a place he could actually do so. Having him around just to hang around is not wise use of one's storytelling time. If something is not contributing to pushing the story or characters forward, It has to go. Lodin pushed the story forward during the Bey Carnival and as such he was rightfully there.

I think sometimes people say we should have seen more of this character or more of that character without regard for wether if they could actually would have a role to play in pushing the story. Character appearances for appearances sake which would create a weakness in the story, not a strength.

Arman's being able to form a connection with Ashindra, to achieve hyper flux, wasn't purely down to training, it was only once he recognized the value of his combination of his personal qualities was able to forge that connection. It was that personal, internal realization that opened the way for that and it's personal, internal relatable growth like that I look for when I'm selecting characters for a arc breakdown. It wasn't just mere frustration, the real struggle was about that lack of understanding of and confidence in his own unique blend of qualities. I look foe not just growth in Blading, but personal relatable character arcs. Silas, Daigo, Ken, Gwyn, Delta & Arman journey within themselves had nothing to do really with Blading but with human struggles (not knowing where one belongs, a struggle with guilt, the healing human connection can bring etc) nothing really to do with Blading, but simply human feelings that sprung up in a beyblade context.

It's not in dispute that Arman's main arc took place towards the end of the season, it was his entire journey up to that point that made that arc work, it culminated in his personal growth at the end. The same is true of Delta, they worked up to his rounding out of his arc.

Yea and i completely agree with all of what you said. Some characters dont need to be put in for the sake of just being put in because sometimes it is a one and done deal. All im saying is that it WOULD have been WOULD. Not that it should happen. All i said is that it would have been cool to see them again. If they didnt then oh well. But that doesnt change the fact that some people feel like their could have been more done with them (not that it cant or will but that theres a chance) because think about it from a stand point before we know the whole story. There are multiple ways for characters to be implemented because theres still open paths for a story to go. But you only see the final results on how things can work and can not work at the end. Sometimes it can work sometimes it wont. I still say amane had a good character arc theres no doubt about that. And like you said Amane’s experience throughout the season is what built up to his golden potential at the end, with him forming a true bond with his bey and beyond even defeating Arthur (which is still really impressive). And i agree with you about everything you say about Amane. I dont disagree by any means his development is still solid like I’ve admitted multiple times before. The only thing im trying to say is i feel like amane had more potential im pretty sure a lot of other people would agree. He still had good development that fact still stands. Others can still say that it felt a bit to late though. Just because its good development doesnt mean it cant feel a bit late. You feel like it was good thats well good! But thats your opinion. Do i feel like his development was good? Yes! But i also feel like it was a bit late as well not saying its bad though. But that still wont change the fact that some felt he was basically irrelevant until the end when he unlocked gold turbo. I just feel like amane had more potential not that he had none or little. And that other characters could have possibly returned but if they didnt then ok it just wasnt in the cards for them

I'm sure there are people who felt they should have appeared, but I'm not particularly concerned with that. Sometimes fans want fan service and that's what that amounts to. Some may have wanted that but it doesn't mean it would make sense story wise and on examination it wouldn't have made sense. It would have been exactly that; just fan service for fan service sake. And when you really look at the whole stretch of the story there isn't anywhere you can really put them where they'd contribute in any major way. So they would basically be there again just to be there. That's not economical use of storytelling time. It's a waste. I think sometimes fans want competing things, they want a character to appear and in the same breath would likely complain they're not doing anything, they wouldn't be doing anything because they shouldn't be there to begin with lol. Excess. Fan service.

Some may feel all kinds of things about placement of character work or what have you that doesn't mean such feelings make sense for the story. There were plenty of people who wanted Shu, Lui, and Free in Rise. People felt strongly about that, doesn't mean it was right for the story for them to be there. It was good they didn't include them. Not having them allowed the newer characters could experience this journey. "Too late" and "wasted, limited potential" don't really track. If Arman had no arc or characterization then I could agree but Arman had both and they plotted up to the rounding of his arc.

free always seemed dark to me

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free always seemed dark to me

To me he’s not dark but yea he’s had his creepy moments like episode 31 of Turbo when he scared the soul out of Kyle.

Yea and i completely agree with all of what you said. Some characters dont need to be put in for the sake of just being put in because sometimes it is a one and done deal. All im saying is that it WOULD have been WOULD. Not that it should happen. All i said is that it would have been cool to see them again. If they didnt then oh well. But that doesnt change the fact that some people feel like their could have been more done with them (not that it cant or will but that theres a chance) because think about it from a stand point before we know the whole story. There are multiple ways for characters to be implemented because theres still open paths for a story to go. But you only see the final results on how things can work and can not work at the end. Sometimes it can work sometimes it wont. I still say amane had a good character arc theres no doubt about that. And like you said Amane’s experience throughout the season is what built up to his golden potential at the end, with him forming a true bond with his bey and beyond even defeating Arthur (which is still really impressive). And i agree with you about everything you say about Amane. I dont disagree by any means his development is still solid like I’ve admitted multiple times before. The only thing im trying to say is i feel like amane had more potential im pretty sure a lot of other people would agree. He still had good development that fact still stands. Others can still say that it felt a bit to late though. Just because its good development doesnt mean it cant feel a bit late. You feel like it was good thats well good! But thats your opinion. Do i feel like his development was good? Yes! But i also feel like it was a bit late as well not saying its bad though. But that still wont change the fact that some felt he was basically irrelevant until the end when he unlocked gold turbo. I just feel like amane had more potential not that he had none or little. And that other characters could have possibly returned but if they didnt then ok it just wasnt in the cards for them

I'm sure there are people who felt they should have appeared, but I'm not particularly concerned with that. Sometimes fans want fan service and that's what that amounts to. Some may have wanted that but it doesn't mean it would make sense story wise and on examination it wouldn't have made sense. It would have been exactly that; just fan service for fan service sake. And when you really look at the whole stretch of the story there isn't anywhere you can really put them where they'd contribute in any major way. So they would basically be there again just to be there. That's not economical use of storytelling time. It's a waste. I think sometimes fans want competing things, they want a character to appear and in the same breath would likely complain they're not doing anything, they wouldn't be doing anything because they shouldn't be there to begin with lol. Excess. Fan service.

Some may feel all kinds of things about placement of character work or what have you that doesn't mean such feelings make sense for the story. There were plenty of people who wanted Shu, Lui, and Free in Rise. People felt strongly about that, doesn't mean it was right for the story for them to be there. It was good they didn't include them. Not having them allowed the newer characters could experience this journey. "Too late" and "wasted, limited potential" don't really track. If Arman had no arc or characterization then I could agree but Arman had both and they plotted up to the rounding of his arc.

Yea i fully agree. All i’m trying to say is that I feel like amane could have had more moments to shine NOT saying it was bad just a small preference to see more Amane but at least he really shined when it counted most (defeating Arthur) plus At the end of the day the important thing is that Amane had his development arc which helped improve him as a blader and as a character and im happy for him I do agree with everything that your saying about amane, especially about how characters dont need to be added in just for the sake of it. Sometimes it just doesnt need to happen I just said it would’ve been cool not necessary. If its not Necessary then they dont need to be there. Sorry if it seems like i tried arguing with you that was never the intention. And hopefully we can stop cus i dont want to clog the thread anymore. But i agree with you. None of the characters were wasted/had wasted potential I completely worded it wrong.

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free always seemed dark to me

To me he’s not dark but yea he’s had his creepy moments like episode 31 of Turbo when he scared the soul out of Kyle.

Yea free in that battle seemed like an absolute nightmare. Ive seen bladers get scared before but it looked like Kyle was fearing for his life when he was against Free.

free always seemed dark to me

To me he’s not dark but yea he’s had his creepy moments like episode 31 of Turbo when he scared the soul out of Kyle.

just those eyes are... sus...

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Why I do Character Arc Breakdowns

Something Burst does that is largely unique amongst the Beyblade gens is the personal, relatable character arcs they take many of their characters on. Growth in Blading is a dime a dozen in the Beyblade franchise, but Burst takes it's character work a step further by focusing not only on growth in Blading skill, or "bey spirit" but it makes it a point to take their characters on personal journeys as well. Both the outward Blading and internal growth are something Burst focuses on to a degree not seen in prior gens.    Personal struggles that are deeply relatable having nothing to do with Blading really.

Silas for example found himself wandering from place to place from bey club to bey club for a reason that really has nothing to do with Blading but is relatable; he wanted a place to belong, a place where he felt he fit, that felt like home. After being totally consumed with his own self interest, during the world league final he realized that BC Sol has become such a place. He finally found a place where he felt he belonged. That was his struggle and it had nothing to do with an increase in Blading skill but for a deeply human and relatable reason. 

That kind of character work is littered throughout Burst which is why I think Burst really is the best when it comes to character work. I do character arc breakdowns to highlight this excellent character work that Burst does so well.

Why I do Character Arc Breakdowns

Something Burst does that is largely unique amongst the Beyblade gens is the personal, relatable character arcs they take many of their characters on. Growth in Blading is a dime a dozen in the Beyblade franchise, but Burst takes it's character work a step further by focusing not only on growth in Blading skill, or "bey spirit" but it makes it a point to take their characters on personal journeys as well. Both the outward Blading and internal growth are something Burst focuses on to a degree not seen in prior gens.    Personal struggles that are deeply relatable having nothing to do with Blading really.

Silas for example found himself wandering from place to place from bey club to bey club for a reason that really has nothing to do with Blading but is relatable; he wanted a place to belong, a place where he felt he fit, that felt like home. After being totally consumed with his own self interest, during the world league final he realized that BC Sol has become such a place. He finally found a place where he felt he belonged. That was his struggle and it had nothing to do with an increase in Blading skill but for a deeply human and relatable reason. 

That kind of character work is littered throughout Burst which is why I think Burst really is the best when it comes to character work. I do character arc breakdowns to highlight this excellent character work that Burst does so well.

And to show those nostalgic driven Ryuga fanboys that Burst is just as good as their series. If I have to hear "Gingka solos" one more time i'm gonna go Lain mode lol.

I really would have loved to have followed Bashara as the protagonist of DB/QuadDrive. I honestly found Bel annoying. I would have preferred Bashara far and away as a protagonist.

I really would have loved to have followed Bashara as the protagonist of DB/QuadDrive. I honestly found Bel annoying. I would have preferred Bashara far and away as the protagonist.

Haha he just grew Balkesh's wings that's so badass.

I really would have loved to have followed Bashara as the protagonist of DB/QuadDrive. I honestly found Bel annoying. I would have preferred Bashara far and away as a protagonist.

Completly agree basara i feel like had the perfect start and character arc to be the main character of DB. We actually get to see some of the character moments that form basara as a character and blader. We see him struggle a bit to catch up with others, follow Rashad because he has never steered him wrong as he helped him grow stronger, and then finally finding his own footing as a blader creating his own path based on his values. Man imagine if rashad was basara's rival/antag while basara was the main that would be soo fun to watch.

who prefers dread hades or dread phoenix

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I really would have loved to have followed Bashara as the protagonist of DB/QuadDrive. I honestly found Bel annoying. I would have preferred Bashara far and away as a protagonist.

Agreed,

couldn't have asked for a more irritating MC than Bel

I feel like infinite achilles is gone

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I feel like infinite achilles is gone

That infite achilles is gone? How so?

I feel like infinite achilles is gone

That infite achilles is gone? How so?

I feel as though he slowly faded from the burst franchise

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What does that even mean?

That infite achilles is gone? How so?

I feel as though he slowly faded from the burst franchise

Bruh....Infinite Achilles is a Beyblade.

I feel as though he slowly faded from the burst franchise

Bruh....Infinite Achilles is a Beyblade.

we all know that its aigers beyblade. 
please stop stating the obvious no one asked

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Bruh....Infinite Achilles is a Beyblade.

we all know that its aigers beyblade. 
please stop stating the obvious no one asked

I think what their trying to get across is they don't know what your saying. Frankly neither do I.

Bruh....Infinite Achilles is a Beyblade.

we all know that its aigers beyblade. 
please stop stating the obvious no one asked

Actually look at the comments, 2 people asked what you're talking about.