or lets just not argue at all lmao

Yes. Let's cease this argument. Apologies.

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I just said that I wasn’t going to continue debating since Admiral W was lying.

Admiral W's most points were valid, some were lies. the Most true points were exaggerated tho.

I didn't exaggerate anything. Everything I said can be verified.

I just said that I wasn’t going to continue debating since Admiral W was lying.

I certainly was not lying.

Some points, but most points were true and exaggerated a bit. But, that's ususal.

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Scion of the Legends (The Dark Forsworn Series)

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I certainly was not lying.

“Gingka doesn’t have a character arc”

He didn't really. He was that same at the end then he was at the beginning. He grew in power but that's about it.

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I certainly was not lying.

Some points, but most points were true and exaggerated a bit. But, that's ususal.

Not at all. Everything I said can be verified.

Yes. Let's cease this argument. Apologies.

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Admiral W's most points were valid, some were lies. the Most true points were exaggerated tho.

I didn't exaggerate anything. Everything I said can be verified.

So you can verify that Gingka doesn’t have a character arc? Go ahead, explain. How the entirety of his return to his village to find the scroll didn’t exist.

Yes. Let's cease this argument. Apologies.

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Admiral W's most points were valid, some were lies. the Most true points were exaggerated tho.

I didn't exaggerate anything. Everything I said can be verified.

It was tipped off and exaggerated to fit your opinion. Everyone does that. Let's cease this argument please.

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“Gingka doesn’t have a character arc”

He didn't really. He was that same at the end then he was at the beginning. He grew in power but that's about it.

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Some points, but most points were true and exaggerated a bit. But, that's ususal.

Not at all. Everything I said can be verified.

That's not true. he had more character arcs than Valt. Sorry, but that's false.

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FBW saga (First Blader War)

Scion of the Legends (The Dark Forsworn Series)

Note: I'm falling apart from reading many posts from people who are leaving or are going to be inactive.

I didn't exaggerate anything. Everything I said can be verified.

It was tipped off and exaggerated to fit your opinion. Everyone does that. Let's cease this argument please.

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He didn't really. He was that same at the end then he was at the beginning. He grew in power but that's about it.

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Not at all. Everything I said can be verified.

That's not true. he had more character arcs than Valt. Sorry, but that's false.

Hid Dad breaking his bey and teaching him a lesson? That was one of the most memorable parts of Metal Fusion I don’t see how you can deny that.

I didn't exaggerate anything. Everything I said can be verified.

So you can verify that Gingka doesn’t have a character arc? Go ahead, explain. How the entirety of his return to his village to find the scroll didn’t exist.

That's not a character arc. I think the confusion is coming from a misunderstanding of what a character arc is. A character arc is the inner journey of a character, and how that fundamental inner person changes over the course of a story. Gingka is the same person on the inside at the beginning of Fusion to the end of Fury.

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I didn't exaggerate anything. Everything I said can be verified.

It was tipped off and exaggerated to fit your opinion. Everyone does that. Let's cease this argument please.

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He didn't really. He was that same at the end then he was at the beginning. He grew in power but that's about it.

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Not at all. Everything I said can be verified.

That's not true. he had more character arcs than Valt. Sorry, but that's false.

How was it exaggerated to fit my opinion when exactly what I said is in the episodes themselves? I can even give you exact episodes where you can see these things for yourself. And that point about him having more of an arc than Valt simply isn't true.

So you can verify that Gingka doesn’t have a character arc? Go ahead, explain. How the entirety of his return to his village to find the scroll didn’t exist.

That's not a character arc. I think the confusion is coming from a misunderstanding of what a character arc is. A character arc is the inner journey of a character, and how that fundamental inner person changes over the course of a story. Gingka is the same person on the inside at the beginning of Fusion to the end of Fury.

No he isn't. He changed a lot over the same person. In fact, the same fundamental person never changes.

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Please try out my Fan Fics:
FBW saga (First Blader War)

Scion of the Legends (The Dark Forsworn Series)

Note: I'm falling apart from reading many posts from people who are leaving or are going to be inactive.

So you can verify that Gingka doesn’t have a character arc? Go ahead, explain. How the entirety of his return to his village to find the scroll didn’t exist.

That's not a character arc. I think the confusion is coming from a misunderstanding of what a character arc is. A character arc is the inner journey of a character, and how that fundamental inner person changes over the course of a story. Gingka is the same person on the inside at the beginning of Fusion to the end of Fury.

Same can be said for Valt. In the star he’s happy and hard working, still is. Maybe go rewatch Metal Fusion buddy. I’ll show you the summary again.

Gingka's journey then comes to a conclusion when he reaches the illegid location of the "legendary scroll"; but turns out it was a trick devised by his father many years before, the only scroll found was a letter to Gingka by his father saying that their is no real scroll that it was made up to test him and that the only way to defeat the darkness is with spirit.

That made Gingka realize that he has lost his bey spirit after his loss to Ryuga and was only out to find anyway to defeat him with revenge. Gingka then sets out to return to the village and then finds his bey spirit on the journey, learning that his bond with Pegasus can overcome any foe. He then reaches the Village and sees his friends down below. His friends are shocked at the site that their friend Gingka has returned with a stronger bond with his bey Pegasus.

That's not a character arc. I think the confusion is coming from a misunderstanding of what a character arc is. A character arc is the inner journey of a character, and how that fundamental inner person changes over the course of a story. Gingka is the same person on the inside at the beginning of Fusion to the end of Fury.

No he isn't. He changed a lot over the same person. In fact, the same fundamental person never changes.

And again your still not getting it. When you take a look at the definition of a character arc, it tell you exactly that. It's that journey of the inner person. It affected by the events of that story. You don't have to take my word for it. You can look up this information on writing did yourself and see.

No he isn't. He changed a lot over the same person. In fact, the same fundamental person never changes.

And again your still not getting it. When you take a look at the definition of a character arc, it tell you exactly that. It's that journey of the inner person. It affected by the events of that story. You don't have to take my word for it. You can look up this information on writing did yourself and see.

Please read Instarez's post. He quoted you

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FBW saga (First Blader War)

Scion of the Legends (The Dark Forsworn Series)

Note: I'm falling apart from reading many posts from people who are leaving or are going to be inactive.

That's not a character arc. I think the confusion is coming from a misunderstanding of what a character arc is. A character arc is the inner journey of a character, and how that fundamental inner person changes over the course of a story. Gingka is the same person on the inside at the beginning of Fusion to the end of Fury.

Same can be said for Valt. In the star he’s happy and hard working, still is. Maybe go rewatch Metal Fusion buddy. I’ll show you the summary again.

Gingka's journey then comes to a conclusion when he reaches the illegid location of the "legendary scroll"; but turns out it was a trick devised by his father many years before, the only scroll found was a letter to Gingka by his father saying that their is no real scroll that it was made up to test him and that the only way to defeat the darkness is with spirit.

That made Gingka realize that he has lost his bey spirit after his loss to Ryuga and was only out to find anyway to defeat him with revenge. Gingka then sets out to return to the village and then finds his bey spirit on the journey, learning that his bond with Pegasus can overcome any foe. He then reaches the Village and sees his friends down below. His friends are shocked at the site that their friend Gingka has returned with a stronger bond with his bey Pegasus.

But what your glossing over is the fact that Valt had to learn many a lesson along the way. He had some serious self doubt that he had to overcome. He had to come to learn to chart his own course as a blader and as a person, which was explored in season 2. There were critical things he had to learn on a personal level in order to move forward as a person and as a blader.

So you can verify that Gingka doesn’t have a character arc? Go ahead, explain. How the entirety of his return to his village to find the scroll didn’t exist.

That's not a character arc. I think the confusion is coming from a misunderstanding of what a character arc is. A character arc is the inner journey of a character, and how that fundamental inner person changes over the course of a story. Gingka is the same person on the inside at the beginning of Fusion to the end of Fury.

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It was tipped off and exaggerated to fit your opinion. Everyone does that. Let's cease this argument please.

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That's not true. he had more character arcs than Valt. Sorry, but that's false.

How was it exaggerated to fit my opinion when exactly what I said is in the episodes themselves? I can even give you exact episodes where you can see these things for yourself. And that point about him having more of an arc than Valt simply isn't true.

You twisted it. It is true. Can I list all of Gingka's arcs?

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Please try out my Fan Fics:
FBW saga (First Blader War)

Scion of the Legends (The Dark Forsworn Series)

Note: I'm falling apart from reading many posts from people who are leaving or are going to be inactive.

Same can be said for Valt. In the star he’s happy and hard working, still is. Maybe go rewatch Metal Fusion buddy. I’ll show you the summary again.

Gingka's journey then comes to a conclusion when he reaches the illegid location of the "legendary scroll"; but turns out it was a trick devised by his father many years before, the only scroll found was a letter to Gingka by his father saying that their is no real scroll that it was made up to test him and that the only way to defeat the darkness is with spirit.

That made Gingka realize that he has lost his bey spirit after his loss to Ryuga and was only out to find anyway to defeat him with revenge. Gingka then sets out to return to the village and then finds his bey spirit on the journey, learning that his bond with Pegasus can overcome any foe. He then reaches the Village and sees his friends down below. His friends are shocked at the site that their friend Gingka has returned with a stronger bond with his bey Pegasus.

But what your glossing over is the fact that Valt had to learn many a lesson along the way. He had some serious self doubt that he had to overcome. He had to come to learn to chart his own course as a blader and as a person, which was explored in season 2. There were critical things he had to learn on a personal level in order to move forward as a person and as a blader.

Gingka did ad well. You’re contradicting yourself. First the person fundamentally has to change, now they can still be the same core person but have had to learned lessons? Gingka did as well. Gingka learned various lessons. Along with lots of other characters.

i was just saying. if you want to continue whatever you were doing right now then be my guest.

I just said that I wasn’t going to continue debating since Admiral W was lying.

okay then. we good now?

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That's not a character arc. I think the confusion is coming from a misunderstanding of what a character arc is. A character arc is the inner journey of a character, and how that fundamental inner person changes over the course of a story. Gingka is the same person on the inside at the beginning of Fusion to the end of Fury.

Same can be said for Valt. In the star he’s happy and hard working, still is. Maybe go rewatch Metal Fusion buddy. I’ll show you the summary again.

Gingka's journey then comes to a conclusion when he reaches the illegid location of the "legendary scroll"; but turns out it was a trick devised by his father many years before, the only scroll found was a letter to Gingka by his father saying that their is no real scroll that it was made up to test him and that the only way to defeat the darkness is with spirit.

That made Gingka realize that he has lost his bey spirit after his loss to Ryuga and was only out to find anyway to defeat him with revenge. Gingka then sets out to return to the village and then finds his bey spirit on the journey, learning that his bond with Pegasus can overcome any foe. He then reaches the Village and sees his friends down below. His friends are shocked at the site that their friend Gingka has returned with a stronger bond with his bey Pegasus.

That's more of a mini arc.

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That's not a character arc. I think the confusion is coming from a misunderstanding of what a character arc is. A character arc is the inner journey of a character, and how that fundamental inner person changes over the course of a story. Gingka is the same person on the inside at the beginning of Fusion to the end of Fury.

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How was it exaggerated to fit my opinion when exactly what I said is in the episodes themselves? I can even give you exact episodes where you can see these things for yourself. And that point about him having more of an arc than Valt simply isn't true.

You twisted it. It is true. Can I list all of Gingka's arcs?

How did I twist when what I pointed out was exactly in the episode? I didn't alter anything.

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But what your glossing over is the fact that Valt had to learn many a lesson along the way. He had some serious self doubt that he had to overcome. He had to come to learn to chart his own course as a blader and as a person, which was explored in season 2. There were critical things he had to learn on a personal level in order to move forward as a person and as a blader.

Gingka did ad well. You’re contradicting yourself. First the person fundamentally has to change, now they can still be the same core person but have had to learned lessons? Gingka did as well. Gingka learned various lessons. Along with lots of other characters.

I'm not contradicting myself. The events characters experience can alter aspects of themselves. It through the course of a story those aspects can overcome. Valt had to learn to overcome those feelings of self doubt and finally overcame that towards the end of the season.

Same can be said for Valt. In the star he’s happy and hard working, still is. Maybe go rewatch Metal Fusion buddy. I’ll show you the summary again.

Gingka's journey then comes to a conclusion when he reaches the illegid location of the "legendary scroll"; but turns out it was a trick devised by his father many years before, the only scroll found was a letter to Gingka by his father saying that their is no real scroll that it was made up to test him and that the only way to defeat the darkness is with spirit.

That made Gingka realize that he has lost his bey spirit after his loss to Ryuga and was only out to find anyway to defeat him with revenge. Gingka then sets out to return to the village and then finds his bey spirit on the journey, learning that his bond with Pegasus can overcome any foe. He then reaches the Village and sees his friends down below. His friends are shocked at the site that their friend Gingka has returned with a stronger bond with his bey Pegasus.

That's more of a mini arc.

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You twisted it. It is true. Can I list all of Gingka's arcs?

How did I twist when what I pointed out was exactly in the episode? I didn't alter anything.

So it has to be a 5 episode character arc or it’s invalid?

Uh, just putting in my two cents on this: While Gingka's personality doesn't appear to change as much as Valt, that doesn't mean he didn't have any sort of character arc at all. Sure, he didn't start out from scratch and by the end he didn't really change on the inside all that much, but he still learned some things along the way and well, that sorta counts as a character arc.

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I'll definitely put something here soon.
Probably.
Maybe?
Naaaaah.

Same can be said for Valt. In the star he’s happy and hard working, still is. Maybe go rewatch Metal Fusion buddy. I’ll show you the summary again.

Gingka's journey then comes to a conclusion when he reaches the illegid location of the "legendary scroll"; but turns out it was a trick devised by his father many years before, the only scroll found was a letter to Gingka by his father saying that their is no real scroll that it was made up to test him and that the only way to defeat the darkness is with spirit.

That made Gingka realize that he has lost his bey spirit after his loss to Ryuga and was only out to find anyway to defeat him with revenge. Gingka then sets out to return to the village and then finds his bey spirit on the journey, learning that his bond with Pegasus can overcome any foe. He then reaches the Village and sees his friends down below. His friends are shocked at the site that their friend Gingka has returned with a stronger bond with his bey Pegasus.

That's more of a mini arc.

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You twisted it. It is true. Can I list all of Gingka's arcs?

How did I twist when what I pointed out was exactly in the episode? I didn't alter anything.

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Gingka did ad well. You’re contradicting yourself. First the person fundamentally has to change, now they can still be the same core person but have had to learned lessons? Gingka did as well. Gingka learned various lessons. Along with lots of other characters.

I'm not contradicting myself. The events characters experience can alter aspects of themselves. It through the course of a story those aspects can overcome. Valt had to learn to overcome those feelings of self doubt and finally overcame that towards the end of the season.

So, Valt is no longer a happy go lucky hard working character is what you’re saying. He’s still the same person, just a little different.

That's more of a mini arc.

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How did I twist when what I pointed out was exactly in the episode? I didn't alter anything.

So it has to be a 5 episode character arc or it’s invalid?

You know what, I will actually give you that.

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That's more of a mini arc.

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How did I twist when what I pointed out was exactly in the episode? I didn't alter anything.

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I'm not contradicting myself. The events characters experience can alter aspects of themselves. It through the course of a story those aspects can overcome. Valt had to learn to overcome those feelings of self doubt and finally overcame that towards the end of the season.

So, Valt is no longer a happy go lucky hard working character is what you’re saying. He’s still the same person, just a little different.

He wasn't when he was in throws of those feelings. When he was still fighting through that. It wasn't till he overcame that he could move forward. Not only as a person but as blader.

The real problem here is the lack of people that have watched Bakuten Shoot Beyblade. Go ahead and expand your horizons it’s all on YouTube on the official channel for free.

I for one have watched Bakuten Shoot and want to say it was good, and way better than I expected, same goes for MFB Fusion and Masters are a classic with good writing and really rewatchable(I find that really true for Zero-G but that's a whole other can of worms I'm not opening), I love Burst it got me into Beyblade, but I can look at each critically without the nostalgia goggles and see that Burst is fun and has great visuals but can be generic and sometimes boring, Plastic gen has this late 90's early 2000's edge and cheese being very, very, advanced and story oriented for its time, but when it's cringe it's really cringe, and MFB is great likeable characters, great character arcs, but it can be annoying how it gives more friendship and beyspirit speeches then MLP making it feel cheesey sometimes while also having some bland villains. In conclusion each series are great and can be so different you can't really compare them to each other, nostalgia can also be an important factor as well as nostalgia can make something hold up way better than if you looked at it objectively. My point for writing this brick of text is each Beyblade series has it's own strengths and weaknesses and I think if you look at any of them from a non biased standpoints you could see that each one is great in their own way.

So it has to be a 5 episode character arc or it’s invalid?

You know what, I will actually give you that.

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So, Valt is no longer a happy go lucky hard working character is what you’re saying. He’s still the same person, just a little different.

He wasn't when he was in throws of those feelings. When he was still fighting through that. It wasn't till he overcame that he could move forward. Not only as a person but as blader.

Gingka no longer has feelings of self doubt and wanting revenge.

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The real problem here is the lack of people that have watched Bakuten Shoot Beyblade. Go ahead and expand your horizons it’s all on YouTube on the official channel for free.

I for one have watched Bakuten Shoot and want to say it was good, and way better than I expected, same goes for MFB Fusion and Masters are a classic with good writing and really rewatchable(I find that really true for Zero-G but that's a whole other can of worms I'm not opening), I love Burst it got me into Beyblade, but I can look at each critically without the nostalgia goggles and see that Burst is fun and has great visuals but can be generic and sometimes boring, Plastic gen has this late 90's early 2000's edge and cheese being very very advanced and story oriented for its time but when it's cringe it's really cringe, and MFB is great likeable characters great character arcs but it can be annoying how it gives more friendship and beyspirit speeches then MLP making it feel cheesey sometimes while also having some bland villains. In conclusion each series are great and can be so different you can't really compare them to each other, nostalgia can also be an important factor as well as nostalgia can make something hold up way better than if you looked at it objectively. My point for writing this brick of text is each Beyblade series has it's own strengths and weaknesses and I think if you look at any of them from a non biased standpoints you could see that each one is great in their own way.

What does this have to do with recommending an anime.

The real problem here is the lack of people that have watched Bakuten Shoot Beyblade. Go ahead and expand your horizons it’s all on YouTube on the official channel for free.

I for one have watched Bakuten Shoot and want to say it was good, and way better than I expected, same goes for MFB Fusion and Masters are a classic with good writing and really rewatchable(I find that really true for Zero-G but that's a whole other can of worms I'm not opening), I love Burst it got me into Beyblade, but I can look at each critically without the nostalgia goggles and see that Burst is fun and has great visuals but can be generic and sometimes boring, Plastic gen has this late 90's early 2000's edge and cheese being very, very, advanced and story oriented for its time, but when it's cringe it's really cringe, and MFB is great likeable characters, great character arcs, but it can be annoying how it gives more friendship and beyspirit speeches then MLP making it feel cheesey sometimes while also having some bland villains. In conclusion each series are great and can be so different you can't really compare them to each other, nostalgia can also be an important factor as well as nostalgia can make something hold up way better than if you looked at it objectively. My point for writing this brick of text is each Beyblade series has it's own strengths and weaknesses and I think if you look at any of them from a non biased standpoints you could see that each one is great in their own way.

now this was the post i was looking for. super based man (not biased lmao)

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Same can be said for Valt. In the star he’s happy and hard working, still is. Maybe go rewatch Metal Fusion buddy. I’ll show you the summary again.

Gingka's journey then comes to a conclusion when he reaches the illegid location of the "legendary scroll"; but turns out it was a trick devised by his father many years before, the only scroll found was a letter to Gingka by his father saying that their is no real scroll that it was made up to test him and that the only way to defeat the darkness is with spirit.

That made Gingka realize that he has lost his bey spirit after his loss to Ryuga and was only out to find anyway to defeat him with revenge. Gingka then sets out to return to the village and then finds his bey spirit on the journey, learning that his bond with Pegasus can overcome any foe. He then reaches the Village and sees his friends down below. His friends are shocked at the site that their friend Gingka has returned with a stronger bond with his bey Pegasus.

That's more of a mini arc.

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You twisted it. It is true. Can I list all of Gingka's arcs?

How did I twist when what I pointed out was exactly in the episode? I didn't alter anything.

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Gingka did ad well. You’re contradicting yourself. First the person fundamentally has to change, now they can still be the same core person but have had to learned lessons? Gingka did as well. Gingka learned various lessons. Along with lots of other characters.

I'm not contradicting myself. The events characters experience can alter aspects of themselves. It through the course of a story those aspects can overcome. Valt had to learn to overcome those feelings of self doubt and finally overcame that towards the end of the season.

mini arc? There's a lot of massive Gingka character arcs.

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FBW saga (First Blader War)

Scion of the Legends (The Dark Forsworn Series)

Note: I'm falling apart from reading many posts from people who are leaving or are going to be inactive.

You know what, I will actually give you that.

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He wasn't when he was in throws of those feelings. When he was still fighting through that. It wasn't till he overcame that he could move forward. Not only as a person but as blader.

Gingka no longer has feelings of self doubt and wanting revenge.

I'll give you that point about revenge. The difference is, Valt's struggle and journey was over the course of the season which made it more substantial. Adds more weight to it. That's a common narrative tool when crafting arcs, to see the growth and change in a character over the course of the season.

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That's more of a mini arc.

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How did I twist when what I pointed out was exactly in the episode? I didn't alter anything.

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I'm not contradicting myself. The events characters experience can alter aspects of themselves. It through the course of a story those aspects can overcome. Valt had to learn to overcome those feelings of self doubt and finally overcame that towards the end of the season.

mini arc? There's a lot of massive Gingka character arcs.

That was a mini arc. Which Burst has plenty of. Rixon, and Naoki for example. Gingka didn't grow much.