man you seriously need to respect other people's opinions.

I am. But outclasses is a overstatement. I'm not insulting your opinions. I'm stating my own and saying that outclasses is just way too much exaggeration.

no? if someone thinks that burst outclasses mfb in character development then that's on them. take a chill pill my guy

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look man i really dont want to argue but yes you do. literally in every mfb vs burst argument yall always bring up the same points about how mfb is this and that.

Proof? I can quote 10+ posts about "realistic". Can you? We don't use one thing like 1000 bajillion times. We use different things to clarify our opinions.

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So it's carp because you don't agree with it even though that exactly what happened in the show?

Ken did struggle with isolation, it was directly stated that because he moved around so much he was never able to make friends with others. He was isolated. He hadn't formed any connections. I think your misunderstanding what a character arc is. A character arc is when a character undergoes a change on personal level so that by the end they are different than who they were at the start. This is executed through their experiences through the events of the story whereby they learn certain lessons or certain experiences shape them. That's exactly what happened to each of those characters. By the end Ken is no longer the shy, closed off person he was in the beginning and had formed really realtionships with people and has come out of his shell. Wakiya has come to respect Valt and the others as bladers and freely acknowledges their strength. Something he never would have done in the beginning. Everything I've presented, you can verify.

Ken was one of the most trashiest characters, isolation isn't a good character development point. I have to disagree because I have different opinion about this.

Ken has major character growth he started off not wanting to make many friends and he was shy and didn't really care about anything other than his puppets and his bey but Valt showed him a new perspective he cared about his friends and came out of his shell starting to talk way more towards the end of the series he also learned that friends will always be with him no matter where you go. Ken is one of my favorite characters PinkRose is right you need to respect other people's opinions and if you feel like what you're going to say might offend people then don't post or say In my opinion.

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Uh, what? Character arcs are arcs focused on a certain character growing as a person and developing. How is that not character development? Overcoming his isolation from people is development on Ken's part. Not the usual thing you see, but he still grows and gets better and that's the defenition of development.

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That's your opinion of the character which your entitled to even if I disagree, but I'm talking about the execution of the character arc which was well done. You not liking the character doesn't negate the arc and how well it was handled.

Yes I gotta give you that again. But, overall the isolation thing wasn't well. Not character development. Again, character arcs don't always have character development.

The isolation was handled just fine. He started out isolated and by the end he's fully opened up. Again your not getting it. Character arcs are the cornerstone of character growth. Any experienced writer will tell you this. Character development is when the motivations, personality, and goal of a character are revealed, character growth is included in that. Character growth is done via character arcs, and that's the backbone of any good character.

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And when it comes to character growth through character arcs, Burst has MFB beat.

The fact of the matter is that Burst characters are shallow. I will go through every single character.

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Valt Aoi: Valt faced some development in the start. He was confused and was lost after being beaten by Wakiya. After multiple beatdowns, he realized he needed to just believe in Valkyrie. That is nothing special whatsoever. All he did was try to figure out how to beat a strong opponent, but the real solution was just "believing in your bey".

Shu faced development in God. He wanted to beat Lui, but at the big rematch he failed. He was in despair until He had an answer to his problems, the Snake Pit. They manipulated him and brainwashed him, however Valt was able to make him see that he's fine the way he is. This one was decent enough I guess.

Rantaro had some minor development in God I believe. It was just him facing the fact that Valt was gone and he needed to grow if he wanted to be as strong as him, near the very start.

Ken had some development, before being shunned by the writers. HE had to keep moving, and all his friends were only temporary, so he made none. But then, Valt let him realize that he can still make friends and that bonds won't fade even if he moves. Again, it's stale. Very stereotypical, character doesn't wnana make friends cause they all disappear, main character helps them realize bonds never fade and that you can still have friends. My entire point is that they need more unique characters.

Daigo went through a thing where he wanted to cheat to be as good as Valt. But then he realized he needed to be better not for anyone else, but himself. This one was very fast. My main problem with it is that is doesn't feel like it amounts to anything. You don't really see how that changes him, he just goes back to his old self.

Xander, has no development.

Wakiya, just struggled with some simple pride. He thought he was better than everyone else, upoin losing to Valt he saw the light and was no longer scared to start making friends. Again, not unique, just stereotypical.

Hoji, has no development. He just tried to be a real friend to Wakiya or whatever.

Orochi is just a pile of wasted potential.

Yugo does nothing.

Ukyo does nothing.

Quon does nothing.

Ben does nothing.

Zac does nothing.... I'm starting to see a trend here. Real lack of growth huh.

Gabe, nothing.

Lui? After Valkyrie lost he deemed it unfair and swallowed his pride, wanting a fair rematch. Literally just a stereotype of a cool edgy character.

Naoki can't relate to other people, but Valt recognizes his data as a cool thing. This guy is just boring so I don't feel anything for him. He doesn't really have an actual place in the plot, he just comes and goes.

Jin literally appears for like 2 episodes.

Akira didn't really get development. He just shifted his interests after battling Zac.

Silas? Well, he was just prideful and didn't acknowledge other to be as strong as him. Over the course of the series, he does. Literally a card board cut out of a stereotype. Cool, mean character eventually warms up to others.

Cuza didn't really get development actually. They just showed that behind the smiles he got sad, but he didn't change as a person.

Free is just Silas' type of character. It doesn't even feel like the kid has a real personality.

Ghasem does nothing outside of battling like twice.

Same for Joshua.

Boa just started to listen to his bey after previously feeling down cause of a loss. This is not unique at all.

Ren Wu Sun didn't do much at all.

Clio is just a plot device for Cuza, thus meaning he's the equivalent of a rock on the side of the road.

Sasha didn't change as a person. Actually just a plot device for Free........if only they didn't do that stupid thing with him leaving for like 4 episodes and getting nothing out of it.

Theodore just vanished.

Kurt just goes from ruthless to nice after battling the main character. That's never happened before at all.

Norman did notihng.

Every other Eye outside of Shu did nothing.

Now we're getting to the bad stuff.... brace yourselves

Aiga....I could go on and on, but I think we all just unanimously agree that he sucks. Plot armor galore.

Ranjiro went form mean to nice cause of a battle.

Suoh did not do anything.

Fubuki did not change as a person at all.

Hae-jin Oh was just cold but after a battle he turned nice and supportive. Getting sick and tired of this.

Phi is just a bad character, but most importantly did not change as a person.

Laban didn't change.

Xavier didn't change.

Kyle can go choke on a rock for all I'm concerned, also he didn't change at all.

Hyde was a plot device for Phi and didn't change as a person.

Evel didn't do much of anything actually.

Count Night battled like once.

Drum didn't change over the course of the serious.

Delta was mean but gradually became nicer and sacrificed his ring for Drum. Aw man, mean guy turns nice.

Amane just tried to get stronger than failed but he had to believe in his bey to get Gold Turbo, ah yeah. Sick and tired man, not unique at all.

Fumiya was just a cardboard cut out. Mean than nice. Didn't even amount to anything.

Joe did nothing.

Lodin was a bit mean than nice...... you already know how I feel.

Pot did nothing.

Blindt didn't actually change as a person, he just stopped working for the bad guys.

Arthur didn't change.

Gwyn couldn't make friends and didn't try, but when he did he realized he could actually get friends. This isn't unique and already has been done in the series, making it feel kind of stale.

Hyuga and Hikaru had 0 development.

Lain was just mean cause of flare then he got good flare and became nice cause plot said so.

This mostly made me realize how much wasted potential there is, they have lots of characters that just appear to appear then leave.

Yes I gotta give you that again. But, overall the isolation thing wasn't well. Not character development. Again, character arcs don't always have character development.

The isolation was handled just fine. He started out isolated and by the end he's fully opened up. Again your not getting it. Character arcs are the cornerstone of character growth. Any experienced writer will tell you this. Character development is when the motivations, personality, and goal of a character are revealed, character growth is included in that. Character growth is done via character arcs, and that's the backbone of any good character.

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And when it comes to character growth through character arcs, Burst has MFB beat.

I don't agree. yes they are, but not all. 90 percent is not 100 percent. That's your opinion. In my opinion, MFB is better at that regard.

Burst is better at villians, gimmicks, and some other stuff.

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I'll say it thousands of times. Burst characters tend to feel like cardboard cut outs, because they aren't unique. Explain away how amazing Daina is, it's all been done before. They just use old tropes, making it less than impressive.

Proof? I can quote 10+ posts about "realistic". Can you? We don't use one thing like 1000 bajillion times. We use different things to clarify our opinions.

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Ken was one of the most trashiest characters, isolation isn't a good character development point. I have to disagree because I have different opinion about this.

Ken has major character growth he started off not wanting to make many friends and he was shy and didn't really care about anything other than his puppets and his bey but Valt showed him a new perspective he cared about his friends and came out of his shell starting to talk way more towards the end of the series he also learned that friends will always be with him no matter where you go. Ken is one of my favorite characters PinkRose is right you need to respect other people's opinions and if you feel like what you're going to say might offend people then don't post or say In my opinion.

I'm not trying to offend someone. Just because I have a different opinion and I'm trying to voice it doesn't mean I disrespect yours.

I don't agree. Ken has some good character development. But his own arc was decent, not legendary.

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I am. But outclasses is a overstatement. I'm not insulting your opinions. I'm stating my own and saying that outclasses is just way too much exaggeration.

no? if someone thinks that burst outclasses mfb in character development then that's on them. take a chill pill my guy

I'm chill. If I wasn't I'd be raging and yellling at you.

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Ken has major character growth he started off not wanting to make many friends and he was shy and didn't really care about anything other than his puppets and his bey but Valt showed him a new perspective he cared about his friends and came out of his shell starting to talk way more towards the end of the series he also learned that friends will always be with him no matter where you go. Ken is one of my favorite characters PinkRose is right you need to respect other people's opinions and if you feel like what you're going to say might offend people then don't post or say In my opinion.

I'm not trying to offend someone. Just because I have a different opinion and I'm trying to voice it doesn't mean I disrespect yours.

I don't agree. Ken has some good character development. But his own arc was decent, not legendary.

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no? if someone thinks that burst outclasses mfb in character development then that's on them. take a chill pill my guy

I'm chill. If I wasn't I'd be raging and yellling at you.

yet you said that you were pissed because someone said that burst outclasses mfb in development

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I'm not trying to offend someone. Just because I have a different opinion and I'm trying to voice it doesn't mean I disrespect yours.

I don't agree. Ken has some good character development. But his own arc was decent, not legendary.

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I'm chill. If I wasn't I'd be raging and yellling at you.

yet you said that you were pissed because someone said that burst outclasses mfb in development

Yes I did. Pissed means irritated. I wasn't raging.

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The isolation was handled just fine. He started out isolated and by the end he's fully opened up. Again your not getting it. Character arcs are the cornerstone of character growth. Any experienced writer will tell you this. Character development is when the motivations, personality, and goal of a character are revealed, character growth is included in that. Character growth is done via character arcs, and that's the backbone of any good character.

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And when it comes to character growth through character arcs, Burst has MFB beat.

I don't agree. yes they are, but not all. 90 percent is not 100 percent. That's your opinion. In my opinion, MFB is better at that regard.

Burst is better at villians, gimmicks, and some other stuff.

When you look at the actual aspects of the writing what we find is that Burst takes the time to really grow their characters through definite character arcs in those first two seasons and some in season 4 as well. A great many characters in MFB don't change. Some do but most don't. I'm not trying to take away from your enjoyment of MFB, I'm just pointing out when you look at the technical aspects of the writing, we don't see much growth through character arcs in MFB. Burst takes the time to grow their characters in those first two seasons and some in Season 4. In the end I don't think we're going to convince each other of our respective positions so let's simply agree to disagree.

Ken has major character growth he started off not wanting to make many friends and he was shy and didn't really care about anything other than his puppets and his bey but Valt showed him a new perspective he cared about his friends and came out of his shell starting to talk way more towards the end of the series he also learned that friends will always be with him no matter where you go. Ken is one of my favorite characters PinkRose is right you need to respect other people's opinions and if you feel like what you're going to say might offend people then don't post or say In my opinion.

I'm not trying to offend someone. Just because I have a different opinion and I'm trying to voice it doesn't mean I disrespect yours.

I don't agree. Ken has some good character development. But his own arc was decent, not legendary.

Istg dude, you're contradicting yourself so hard. You called Kensuke trash and now you say his arc was decent? No one ever said it was legendary, all we said was that it was a nice example of character development.

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I'm not trying to offend someone. Just because I have a different opinion and I'm trying to voice it doesn't mean I disrespect yours.

I don't agree. Ken has some good character development. But his own arc was decent, not legendary.

Istg dude, you're contradicting yourself so hard. You called Kensuke trash and now you say his arc was decent? No one ever said it was legendary, all we said was that it was a nice example of character development.

you were all fussing over it, that's cap. The character's trash, but the arc itself was decent.

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I’m not gonna argue with someone that said Gingka didn’t have a character arc. That’s genuinely false info.

or lets just not argue at all lmao

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or lets just not argue at all lmao

Maybe don’t ignore the point of what I’m saying.

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Toot your horn all you want, I’m not gonna debate with someone who spreads lies.

or lets just not argue at all lmao

Maybe don’t ignore the point of what I’m saying.

i never did? i was just saying in general that we shouldn't argue.

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Maybe don’t ignore the point of what I’m saying.

i never did? i was just saying in general that we shouldn't argue.

You completely changed the subject.

i never did? i was just saying in general that we shouldn't argue.

You completely changed the subject.

i was just saying. if you want to continue whatever you were doing right now then be my guest.

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I don't agree. yes they are, but not all. 90 percent is not 100 percent. That's your opinion. In my opinion, MFB is better at that regard.

Burst is better at villians, gimmicks, and some other stuff.

When you look at the actual aspects of the writing what we find is that Burst takes the time to really grow their characters through definite character arcs in those first two seasons and some in season 4 as well. A great many characters in MFB don't change. Some do but most don't. I'm not trying to take away from your enjoyment of MFB, I'm just pointing out when you look at the technical aspects of the writing, we don't see much growth through character arcs in MFB. Burst takes the time to grow their characters in those first two seasons and some in Season 4. In the end I don't think we're going to convince each other of our respective positions so let's simply agree to disagree.

1. MFB actually spent equal time in each season. better than only doing it in two seasons.
2. That's false. Most MFB characters did change. those who didn't wheren't important to MFB's plot that much.
3. I disagree. MFB has on par or better character development than Burst.

Yes. Let's agree to disagree.

PinkRose, you, Pixi, I apologize if I was rude or offensive in this debate/argument. Forgive me please.

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You completely changed the subject.

i was just saying. if you want to continue whatever you were doing right now then be my guest.

I just said that I wasn’t going to continue debating since Admiral W was lying.

or lets just not argue at all lmao

Yes. Let's cease this argument. Apologies.

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i was just saying. if you want to continue whatever you were doing right now then be my guest.

I just said that I wasn’t going to continue debating since Admiral W was lying.

Admiral W's most points were valid, some were lies. the Most true points were exaggerated tho.

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The real problem here is the lack of people that have watched Bakuten Shoot Beyblade. Go ahead and expand your horizons it’s all on YouTube on the official channel for free.

i was just saying. if you want to continue whatever you were doing right now then be my guest.

I just said that I wasn’t going to continue debating since Admiral W was lying.

I certainly was not lying.

I just said that I wasn’t going to continue debating since Admiral W was lying.

I certainly was not lying.

“Gingka doesn’t have a character arc”