(Apr. 01, 2021 8:46 PM)MasterChef Wrote: (Apr. 01, 2021 8:37 PM)Admiral W Wrote: Mostly the point about the tag battle with V&R vs L&S and that point about GT. In that tag battle, yes Rantaro gave Valt the opening, but it was Valt's raw power that knocked Lane clear out. Even with A&R combined strength against a wobbling Lucius, they couldn't knock it out. And as far as GT is concerned, at the most Valt and Aiger were equals, Aiger wasn't stronger than him. Turbo is mess I'm not even going to get into.
Rnataro made Lane caught off-gaurd, when Lane did LTE, he coudn't recover in time because of Rantaro. So Valt swooped in and took him out, it wasn't raw power, it was Lucifer not recovering in time and Rantaro sacirficing him self, you could baisically say Valt won by fluke, Valt used a special move when Lane didn't use one. AIga and Lane didn't use special moves. ANd also Rangiro is trash and can't do anything. I know you don't want to talk about Cho-Z but in GT, all Valt did was have 3 unoffical battles facing bladers who were very weak at the time(Drum and Amane), at least Aiga beat Drum when he had a very good amount of skill/strength.
Lane used LTE and bursted Rantaro. There was nothing for Lane to recover from. Valt then knocked him out with Brave Sword. It was Valt's power that knocked him out the stadium. It certainly wasn't Rantaro seeing as he was bursted already. And Ranjiro isn't trash, at least not by the time of the tag tournament. That hyper tornado was extremely powerful as was clear from the episode, that tornado was the sole reason Aiger bursted Rantaro and knocked out Valt. On the point of GT, yes they were further along in their development when Aiger faced them, but given how severally Valt outclassed them when they battled there's nothing to suggest he wouldn't have done the same at a later juncture. So in GT they were about equal and by sparking Valt is the stronger blader.
(Apr. 01, 2021 8:49 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: (Apr. 01, 2021 8:47 PM)Admiral W Wrote: He knocked out Valt because of that huge boost he got from Ranjiro using hyper tornado. That's wasn't purely under his own power. And with thier combined power they couldn't even burst Valtryek.
All Achilles did was go higher there was no additional power being given to Achilles.
There certainly was, lifting Achilles that high gave it a boost in speed in power as it descended, that's the whole point of the hyper tornado.