Phoenix and Hades was owned by Phi and Hyde's Dad. Phi and Hyde received them when they were very small. meaning those beys go waaaaaay back.

That's an isolated case, and I think that had more to do with establishing the dynamic between Hyde and Phi.

Still the point stands.

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Spryzen- Created the first dual spin bey in burst

Possibly.

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Wait what if Lui was the one to create the dual layer system in the anime.

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Also Surge launch happening or not doesn't depend on if the bey is a Surge one or not. Its the hand motion as explained in the manga. Flick of the wrist.

That's an isolated case, and I think that had more to do with establishing the dynamic between Hyde and Phi.

Still the point stands.

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Spryzen- Created the first dual spin bey in burst

Possibly.

When that's the only case of it meant to serve a completely different purpose , it doesn't really hold water.

Spryzen- Created the first dual spin bey in burst

most likely shu was the only one with a dual spin back then and everyone was surprise about it which means it was the only to exist at that time.

Cause Lui had Luinor for 5 tournaments straight up

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Lane sucks and Hikaru should have won that match

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GODZILLA IS THE BEST THING EVER!!!! KONG SUCKS!!!
GODZILLA 4 LIFE!!!!! GODZILLA CLUB GO!!!!!!

Lui had Lost Luinor for a long time

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Still the point stands.

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Possibly.

When that's the only case of it meant to serve a completely different purpose , it doesn't really hold water.

Its not really meant to serve to make the dynamic between the brothers more clear. Merely a fact thrown in.

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Too many conspiracy theories in burst lol

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Lui had Lost Luinor for a long time

Same for Gabe and Gainon as well.

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Lui had Lost Luinor for a long time

Same for Gabe and Gainon as well.

True true

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When that's the only case of it meant to serve a completely different purpose , it doesn't really hold water.

Its not really meant to serve to make the dynamic between the brothers more clear. Merely a fact thrown in.

That's partly what I'm saying. The point of that scene was to hone in on the dynamic between the two bros not to add to or change the mechanics of how the beyblade eras work.

What’s confusing is that the cast of s1 allegedly never had single layer beys but we know they exist in the anime as well because amaterios made an appearance.

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Not bad eh?

The dynamic between Hyde and Phi would be the same without them mentioning that the beys belong to their Dad.

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Its not really meant to serve to make the dynamic between the brothers more clear. Merely a fact thrown in.

That's partly what I'm saying. The point of that scene was to hone in on the dynamic between the two bros not to add to or change the mechanics of how the beyblade eras work.

Still. Surge Launchers can spark without Surge beys. So not everything has to correlate.

The dad should get the credit

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The dad should get the credit

Actually Taiga created the first Turbo bey.

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Not bad eh?

The dynamic between Hyde and Phi would be the same without them mentioning that the beys belong to their Dad.

The way they interacted over the beys highlighted their personalities and the cause of their tension both past and present. The beys were the perfect vehicle for that.

The dad should get the credit

Actually Taiga created the first Turbo bey.

You sure?

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Actually Taiga created the first Turbo bey.

You sure?

Yes it was mentioned in the anime.

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Not bad eh?

The dynamic between Hyde and Phi would be the same without them mentioning that the beys belong to their Dad.

The way they interacted over the beys highlighted their personalities and the cause of their tension both past and present. The beys were the perfect vehicle for that.

Not the fact that the beys belong to their Dad no. That means the beys were old. That doesn't add to the tension between them/

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The dynamic between Hyde and Phi would be the same without them mentioning that the beys belong to their Dad.

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That's partly what I'm saying. The point of that scene was to hone in on the dynamic between the two bros not to add to or change the mechanics of how the beyblade eras work.

Still. Surge Launchers can spark without Surge beys. So not everything has to correlate.

The point is those details are how the eras have been established and sperated.

Aiger gets no means to even own a bey

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You sure?

Yes it was mentioned in the anime.

He probably created it alongside Phi's Dad then considering thats the owner.

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The one who created the first Shogun Steel bey was Madoka

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