I'm not sure whether or not he built or designed it-- there's no beytrainer that was mentioned, and tbh I think he tried to keep that mentality of 'winning is the only thing that mattered' and it didn't matter Ichika whether she had a GT bey or not. I doubt the author would go that far in-depth with their story... but it's why she left. She didn't care much about winning, but having fun with beyblade. That's more important to her than anything... so even with a GT bey... they most likely would have her lose a lot...

I mean... I kind of agree with them? Despite Valt being there in the first episode of Chou-Z along with being in the opening, he wasn't... exactly a main character or semi-main in that season. Reasons being that he would be there and then the next moment he's gone-- take the battleship cruise arc in which that was a tournament that was... basically his own? The anime had him suddenly leave despite the winner being the one that would challenge him. Like, that doesn't really seem Valt like considering he would want to know who would be his opponents and who he would be up against. The opening also advertised characters surrounding Aiga that never showed up throughout the anime (they weren't even in the background, and that's saying something.) It also advertised that we may get a Free vs Kit battle which we never did etc. It advertised a lot of what was supposed to happen or what could have happened-- but never went through with it. So I can see where the complaints come from...

I mean I do like the opening and with how Valt was show in it, however.... it advertised too much and gave so little back.... At least, these are my thoughts and a few others that I know have complaints...

That part's fine, but nothing's set completely in stone. A lot of surprise wins and upsets have happened in Burst.

Yeah, but you can't say he's not in the show. And what would Valt do, the focus on the Battleship Cruise was to beat him, what, just have him there watching everyone's battles and just adding pointless dialouge? Valt's not the type to study his opponents before battles unless he's being told and learns through battles and experience. Don't forget he got Cho-Z and loss points to Silas and Kurtz before he managed to beat them. If my main character has a rival to beat, I'm not going to put him in everything, sprinkle his appearances through and then make him a threat. Sasuke vs Itachi was hyped up from the start, they had 3 interactions after the massacre, and then they had their climactic fight. Yeah Aiga doesn't want to murder Valt but the point still stands. And its not like Valt does nothing: arc 1 was him defending his title, arc 2 was getting ready for the battleship cruise and be warned about the Dark resonance, arc 3 was him getting Cho Z Valkytire and getting Shu and Free to help him out with dealing with Aiga and training, and arc 4 was him getting his title back and facing off against Aiga like he wanted without all the evil drama.

What other characters? You mean when he's in that white and red background surrounded by 5 random people? That's just anime showing off its characters being op by beating a bunch a randos. Happens all the time, cuz everyone in the opponent Aiga has battled....minus that sixth member of the bey club but other than that.

They never advertised a Free vs Kit battle, they showed Valt rising on a pillar, followed by Kitt, then Free, then Shu, aka the final opponents Valt, Aiga, and Phi would be battling By that logic, they advertised a three way battle between Kitt vs Shu vs Free.

My point is, he's not a minor character, he still plays a role in the story's, he's not overused, so saying Valt's not in the show when both the opening and show proves is just being ignorant.

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I feel like Poison Hydra on marutti’s post is probably going to be owned by the guy with the crescent-shaped hairstyle because of the color scheme.

You saw the confirmation too, zanky jut posted a video.
https://beyblade.fandom.com/wiki/File:34...050F7.jpeg
I don't think its crescent haired, if we're dealing with a poison guy, I'm assuming narcissist mic Rose holder

I'm not sure whether or not he built or designed it-- there's no beytrainer that was mentioned, and tbh I think he tried to keep that mentality of 'winning is the only thing that mattered' and it didn't matter Ichika whether she had a GT bey or not. I doubt the author would go that far in-depth with their story... but it's why she left. She didn't care much about winning, but having fun with beyblade. That's more important to her than anything... so even with a GT bey... they most likely would have her lose a lot...

I mean... I kind of agree with them? Despite Valt being there in the first episode of Chou-Z along with being in the opening, he wasn't... exactly a main character or semi-main in that season. Reasons being that he would be there and then the next moment he's gone-- take the battleship cruise arc in which that was a tournament that was... basically his own? The anime had him suddenly leave despite the winner being the one that would challenge him. Like, that doesn't really seem Valt like considering he would want to know who would be his opponents and who he would be up against. The opening also advertised characters surrounding Aiga that never showed up throughout the anime (they weren't even in the background, and that's saying something.) It also advertised that we may get a Free vs Kit battle which we never did etc. It advertised a lot of what was supposed to happen or what could have happened-- but never went through with it. So I can see where the complaints come from...

I mean I do like the opening and with how Valt was show in it, however.... it advertised too much and gave so little back.... At least, these are my thoughts and a few others that I know have complaints...

That part's fine, but nothing's set completely in stone. A lot of surprise wins and upsets have happened in Burst.

Yeah, but you can't say he's not in the show. And what would Valt do, the focus on the Battleship Cruise was to beat him, what, just have him there watching everyone's battles and just adding pointless dialouge? Valt's not the type to study his opponents before battles unless he's being told and learns through battles and experience. Don't forget he got Cho-Z and loss points to Silas and Kurtz before he managed to beat them. If my main character has a rival to beat, I'm not going to put him in everything, sprinkle his appearances through and then make him a threat. Sasuke vs Itachi was hyped up from the start, they had 3 interactions after the massacre, and then they had their climactic fight. Yeah Aiga doesn't want to murder Valt but the point still stands. And its not like Valt does nothing: arc 1 was him defending his title, arc 2 was getting ready for the battleship cruise and be warned about the Dark resonance, arc 3 was him getting Cho Z Valkytire and getting Shu and Free to help him out with dealing with Aiga and training, and arc 4 was him getting his title back and facing off against Aiga like he wanted without all the evil drama.

What other characters? You mean when he's in that white and red background surrounded by 5 random people? That's just anime showing off its characters being op by beating a bunch a randos. Happens all the time, cuz everyone in the opponent Aiga has battled....minus that sixth member of the bey club but other than that.

They never advertised a Free vs Kit battle, they showed Valt rising on a pillar, followed by Kitt, then Free, then Shu, aka the final opponents Valt, Aiga, and Phi would be battling By that logic, they advertised a three way battle between Kitt vs Shu vs Free.

My point is, he's not a minor character, he still plays a role in the story's, he's not overused, so saying Valt's not in the show when both the  opening and show proves is just being ignorant.

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I feel like Poison Hydra on marutti’s post is probably going to be owned by the guy with the crescent-shaped hairstyle because of the color scheme.

You saw the confirmation too, zanky jut posted a video.
https://beyblade.fandom.com/wiki/File:34...050F7.jpeg
I don't think its crescent haired, if we're dealing with a poison guy, I'm assuming narcissist mic Rose holder

You have point a their but the color schemes between the two characters is so similar it’s hard to tell.

Even so, that is technically his tournament that's being held. WBBA may have hosted it, but in the end it's Valt's tournament, shouldn't... he, oh idk, actually be there like Lui was for his own tournament? Valt's character is also not leaving big beyblade events like this, despite not being able to take part in them, he'd be really excited to watch and especially watch Aiga's growth throughout this arc. Remember, Valt literally gushed about how strong Aiga was and how he's super excited to battle him in the upcoming events. Even in the manga, Valt wasn't constantly there adding pointless dialogue, like they even forgot he was on the ship after Aiga beat Free in the previous chapter. It doesn't make sense for him to talk up Aiga to other people, yet keep a large distance between them. He never did that with Free or Shu in the earlier seasons and instead was around them the best that he could be. I mean, look at him in gt, he obviously comes by to check up on Drum and see how he's doing. That's way more than he did with Aiga without others influences.

The issue with Valt losing his title to Aiga so early on, even with the dark resonance, was that it lost it's significance at the end. The Phi vs Aiga battle seemed way more of a final battle than Valt vs Aiga due to this problem -- also Hearts held the title too, so world champion throughout the anime kind of lost it's touch of how big of a title it is. Not only that, the anime could have literally replaced Valt after the Longinus Cup and the story wouldn't have really changed at all...? Valt was downgraded a lot and had little significance to the story with even supposedly holding the world champion title. Valt did little to almost nothing despite getting Chou-Z Valkyrie-- so while he didn't do nothing-- he certainly didn't even hold a semi-main character role. Shu's really the only one that helped deal with the issue (dark resonance), Free just stated that he was going to destroy Aiga in their match-- and then helped Valt train with Chou-Z Valkyrie and that was it. He really wasn't that big in Aiga's story honestly.

The problem is, is that Burst openings have never been like that until now. Take the original opening for example, those characters were actually shown and were even in the background later in the season. Then there's God's opening which even showcases the BC Sol members who in fact at least show up as bg characters. They still exist within the anime even while they're in the opening. Aiga never battles these guys except for in the opening which we don't even get to see.

Guess we should've changed Kit's face to Aiga's face as he was honestly facing Free when he showed up in the opening. Also they completely changed the scene with Shu so... where is the three way battle coming from? And Valt would have never battled these opponents-- well, only Kit but it's not even a significant battle at all.

Valt became more of a minor character after the first episode of Chou-Z. He hardly plays a role in Aiga's story other than being 'that guy' that Aiga has to beat no matter what, and even then it becomes less of a big deal as the Champion Title and Ranks in the show mean little to nothing in the story. He's shown in the opening and shows up in the anime, but his role is reduced so much it's as if we're watching Valt be turned into a minor character even in the beginning. I get that it's not Valt's story anymore, but even so, saying that he's not a minor character in it... completely throws out who Valt was in the first two seasons and then compare his third season self to them. It's not ignorance, it's observation throughout the anime... at least, that's my perspective.

Oh, I wonder when he'll show up and what the next event is...

Watch the crescent hair dude be the new spriggan owner lol

Watch the crescent hair dude be the new spriggan owner lol

Could you imagine ???

Watch the crescent hair dude be the new spriggan owner lol

Could you imagine ???

I'm imaging fans going riot right now if my joke turns out to be real lol .

I mean they already gave Fafnir to a new character... plus we know that Shu's VA said his farewell's to beyburst... so it's highly likely that it'll be owned by someone else. Most likely it'll be real lol-- cause man, Shu is a popular character in the beyburst franchise lmao--

Unless Shu has a new voice actor ?

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Not bad eh?

That... could be an actual possibility-- if I'm being completely honest, I find it hard to see Valt in the story without there being Shu. Idk I guess it has something to do with that extra chapter after God in which shows that Shu and Valt are a pair-- rivals and friends-- and that their bond can't be separated or undone so easily. At least, that was the vibe that I was getting from that chapter.

That... could be an actual possibility-- if I'm being completely honest, I find it hard to see Valt in the story without there being Shu. Idk I guess it has something to do with that extra chapter after God in which shows that Shu and Valt are a pair-- rivals and friends-- and that their bond can't be separated or undone so easily. At least, that was the vibe that I was getting from that chapter.

It's like Tyson with kai always pair together . You can't have one without another. The only reason I think Shu should comeback for the last time. Aside from what you said  is because like valt he started burst system. With valkyrie and spriggan which started this fun adventure we're having right now. So shu one last time with valt would be a cool send off and maybe one last battle between the 2 but this time without this red eye thing. Just 2 childhood friends having fun They deserve it.

Even so, that is technically his tournament that's being held. WBBA may have hosted it, but in the end it's Valt's tournament, shouldn't... he, oh idk, actually be there like Lui was for his own tournament? Valt's character is also not leaving big beyblade events like this, despite not being able to take part in them, he'd be really excited to watch and especially watch Aiga's growth throughout this arc. Remember, Valt literally gushed about how strong Aiga was and how he's super excited to battle him in the upcoming events. Even in the manga, Valt wasn't constantly there adding pointless dialogue, like they even forgot he was on the ship after Aiga beat Free in the previous chapter. It doesn't make sense for him to talk up Aiga to other people, yet keep a large distance between them. He never did that with Free or Shu in the earlier seasons and instead was around them the best that he could be. I mean, look at him in gt, he obviously comes by to check up on Drum and see how he's doing. That's way more than he did with Aiga without others influences.

The issue with Valt losing his title to Aiga so early on, even with the dark resonance, was that it lost it's significance at the end. The Phi vs Aiga battle seemed way more of a final battle than Valt vs Aiga due to this problem -- also Hearts held the title too, so world champion throughout the anime kind of lost it's touch of how big of a title it is. Not only that, the anime could have literally replaced Valt after the Longinus Cup and the story wouldn't have really changed at all...? Valt was downgraded a lot and had little significance to the story with even supposedly holding the world champion title. Valt did little to almost nothing despite getting Chou-Z Valkyrie-- so while he didn't do nothing-- he certainly didn't even hold a semi-main character role. Shu's really the only one that helped deal with the issue (dark resonance), Free just stated that he was going to destroy Aiga in their match-- and then helped Valt train with Chou-Z Valkyrie and that was it. He really wasn't that big in Aiga's story honestly.

The problem is, is that Burst openings have never been like that until now. Take the original opening for example, those characters were actually shown and were even in the background later in the season. Then there's God's opening which even showcases the BC Sol members who in fact at least show up as bg characters. They still exist within the anime even while they're in the opening. Aiga never battles these guys except for in the opening which we don't even get to see.

Guess we should've changed Kit's face to Aiga's face as he was honestly facing Free when he showed up in the opening. Also they completely changed the scene with Shu so... where is the three way battle coming from? And Valt would have never battled these opponents-- well, only Kit but it's not even a significant battle at all.

Valt became more of a minor character after the first episode of Chou-Z. He hardly plays a role in Aiga's story other than being 'that guy' that Aiga has to beat no matter what, and even then it becomes less of a big deal as the Champion Title and Ranks in the show mean little to nothing in the story. He's shown in the opening and shows up in the anime, but his role is reduced so much it's as if we're watching Valt be turned into a minor character even in the beginning. I get that it's not Valt's story anymore, but even so, saying that he's not a minor character in it... completely throws out who Valt was in the first two seasons and then compare his third season self to them. It's not ignorance, it's observation throughout the anime... at least, that's my perspective.

Oh, I wonder when he'll show up and what the next event is...

Not really. You can own a string of houses and still not live in any of them. Besides, all the data for the bladers are out there and Valt already knew about Phi. And yes it does, why would you constantly be around your rival you want to defeat unless you were trying to become close with him as friends. You’re basically saying h should do what Ranjirou and Houi did. And yes he did, he was constantly around and hyping up Shu and he wasn’t around Free for nearly 3/5ths of the story because Free left and he barely talked to Free until the second half of the God Blader’s Cup.

I never brought that up, but in the grand scheme of things, isn’t it. Regardless of how anticlimactic it feels, Aiga wants to beat Valt, so if he’s gone after the Longinus Cup, why would Aiga still aim to dethrone him? If its too keep the physical and spacial gap between them as characters, I guess, but that argument works more for Houi and Valt, not Aiga. If your character’s motivation is to beat someone else, why kick someone else out of that story, that literally makes no sense.

And yeah, you can lose your title ship that easily in real life sports and in anime sports. Ever heard of an upset?

Valt wasn’t downgraded, he still fluctuates between the top 1 and top 3 placings throughout the story, he just wasn’t around a lot like you wanted. My point towards the whole things is that you can’t say you’ll miss him and how you’ll never see him again, when you do. B-Daman Fireblast had the exact same premise with Kanon and Riki, including how the finale battle between the main villain came right before their final battle, and there was no problem there.

Valt wanted Free’s help to train so he can master his new bey while asking Shu to help Aiga so that he can help Aiga even though he’s not good at it. If my friend (Aiga) needed a therapist (Shu) and I was willing to help him out (Valt), I’d get…you know, someone qualified to help him since I personally can’t (Shu to Aiga). Aiga said he wanted a proper match with Valt after he masted Cho Z Achilles, and its not unreasonable for him to prefer having a more fun and reasonable battle than him just getting influenced by the Dark Resonance because he wasn’t ready.

Burst’s opening still shows the characters and what they’ll do. Heck, those intro quotes have that random generic blader who just so happens to have the main characters’ bey and no one questions it. Not a problem then, WHY NOW? And if those random’s bladers are that big of an issue to you in an opening, just assume its one of the 186 bladers Aiga took on in the beginning of the story. Symbolism doesn’t always need an explanation for something so minute.

No, Kitt’s still a blader they have to introduce for his bey. Again, they show off all the rivals. And no if Kit was to take Aiga’s place….Kitt’s jumping in from the sky because his bey is air Knight…wind….flying…special move creating a giant air current around him. Why would we put Aiga there when every Burst opening as at least 5 seconds to show off all the other rivals together. Houi was side by side to Suoh in opening 1, does that automatically mean THEY’RE GOING TO FIGHT ONE ON ONE IN ARC 1, no, they’re rival bladers, except Suoh’s mostly likely has another personality and Houi’s physically strong. Not as nice as we see in the show, but still strong.

A supporting character character isn’t the focus of the primary storyline but is used/mentioned/appears int he story enough to be more than a minor character. Wakiya’s lackeys are a minor character. Valt is not. And no, Valt’s still the same character with the same development, just more mature and aware. A character not appearing a lot doesn’t mean HIS WHOLE CHARACTER AND ARC HAVE BEEN TOSSED COMPLETELY DOWN THE DRAIN. Again, saying Lui’s underutilized and Lui’s a terrible character just because he didn’t show up as much isn’t the same thing.

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Could you imagine ???

I'm imaging fans going riot right now if my joke turns out to be real lol .

Considering how cliquey people get talking about Shu and saying he's too overhyped, and the possibility some characters get a new voice actor, if people complain:
1) they're hypocrites
2) they should've seen it coming
3) or they're absolutely fine with it and just shocked and surprised.
4) and the people who genuinely like Shu are just going to be disappointed.

Everyone likes Fumiya now and Xhan doesn't really have haters so who knows, it could all work out. Then again, a white crescent blader with the fury of the demon red fairy has a nice touch to it. And since he's short, him owning one of the mightiest beys could actually be fun. They've gotten away with some funny jokes between Drum, Aiga, and Valt compared to bigger and powerful opponents, I can see this working out.

Valt's never been a character that cares much about data, he'd still love to stay and watched the battles. So, what you're saying, is that Valt SHOULD make the same mistake as he did with Shu in God which was leave the kid be and let him fester in his own thoughts and obsessions. Okay, so I guess Valt's learned nothing in season two and that whole thing of him understanding Shu has little to no significance. That's what I'm literally getting from this. And yes, Valt was around Shu most of the season 1 arc-- if they weren't together, they were in the same vicinity, and for Free, Valt was literally the only one Free could have a conversation that would understand him even before the God Blader's cup. Valt literally defends Free when Shasa called him out about how Free probably hates BC Sol-- Valt immediately speaks up for Free saying that Free loves the club. Valt barely knows this kid other than running around with him in the forest. If anything, Valt would have gotten a better feel of Aiga's character as a blader and person if he was at least around to watch over Aiga. I'm not saying that Valt has to be there to coddle Aiga, but the least he could do was watch the kid's growth. It literally feels like Valt's just saying it cause Aiga's the main character (again, this is a joke right here, but I thought I should say it since sarcasm and jokes don't seem to come across.) It'd make the Hearts vs Valt battle make more sense to help get the message across to Aiga. It would have held more of an importance to Aiga as a character and his story.

But you can literally kick any of the old bladers out and replace them-- except for Shu. And if losing a title ship is that easy, then... why hype it up and make it as great as it is to be? Literally the kids were supposed to consult with WBBA to be able to hold title matches, but that seems to be out the window as well as the anime doesn't even follow it's own rules and regulations. World Champion title literally means nothing at this point and especially throughout the CHOU-Z arc. I mean, look at the rankings-- means little to nothing at this point. If a title is so easy to lose, then they might as well not hype titles up as they did in God. I mean, Free de la Hoya? Number one blader in the entire world? And the only two people were able to best Free throughout the entire show? THAT holds some weight. Valt having the title only to lose it so soon in Chou-Z? Eh... is it really that big of a deal?

Aiga's already achieved the goal of beating Valt. Even with dark resonance, he still remembers and felt the win that he had over Valt. So... why is he still in the story then? Why is it apparently a last minute thought in the final episode? Why not have Aiga want to beat Phi instead as that was more of a hyped up battle? It was literally like "Oh, forgot, Valt Aoi the, the champion right now-- yeah, can't forget that he still exists!" That's how it felt to some of the fans. The end was very abrupt... Aiga achieved his goal twice...

But his character was downgraded, I know many haven't read the manga, but Valt was mature but still kept his character throughout the CHOU-Z arc. In the anime, they hardly show how strong he was until maybe the last episode, but that was it. Literally, all of Valt's matches didn't seem that hard or anything compared to all the matches he had in God. And yes, I do miss him because this isn't the Valt that people know or remember. This Valt seems... like an empty shell of his former self almost. I get that characters grow and mature, but not to the extent where they feel so distant from the audience. This was a character that the audience sympathized with and even cheered on in the final battle. Also I don't... know any of the characters that you keep bringing up that aren't beyburst related?? First Naruto, and now... this one I don't even know.

They could have just added the Beigoma club members (you know, the ones that didn't even have lines but were in the background). Then why give the kids in the opening certain details-- again, this NEVER happened in the previous two seasons of burst as they always added characters who were at least in the same verse and story. Some people are upset about it because some were hyped up to see them. Why couldn't they be the kids that Aiga battled in his hometown-- you know, the group of kids that tried to stop Aiga from leaving? It's not symbolism, there are people who genuinely wanted to see these characters at least once-- I mean look at some of the other teams that BC Sol went up against. We got to see that girl blader again from that one team that beat BC Sol but lost to the Paris Bladers at least twice and she's not even in the opening. She's not even an important character but was still brought back. Idk how symbolism came into the mix in this??

Free never became a rival again to Aiga. Shu and Aiga never actually had an official match-- and, okay, your second point literally makes no sense... They did have a match during the Longinus Cup. That's what the first opening was referring to when it showed off these rivals. Fubuki was someone that Aiga wanted to best since Fubuki had a CHOU-Z bey, and Fubuki also had his own character arc in the beginning (until he became... little to nothing in the main cast. I mean, he was there, but the kid wasn't exactly a main character...)

We get... little to nothing of that development or same character. Previously stated, Valt seems more like a husk of his old self who is so detach from both the cast and audience. He plays a minor role and not really a main character in CHOU-Z arc-- did they do this with Shu's character in season 1? Season 2 he was still a main character but hardly showed up-- we still see him develop throughout the whole season. So yes, Valt's character WAS downgraded. Whether he appears a lot or not doesn't change the fact that he does little to nothing in the entirety of CHOU-Z story-- I mean, even manga counterpart had more of a role and seemed much more like a major character than a minor one-- even with the limited amount of times and panels he showed up in. They completely tossed aside Lui, it's as if Lui never exists after the Longinus Cup-- not only that but he was bested by Aiga in their second battle. A guy who held the second strongest title throughout the beyblade world-- who gave Valt and everyone at the top a struggle-- yet Aiga beat him and that was it for him. I think, people are more upset about that than saying Lui's a terrible character. He's a great character but had a poor role in the CHOU-Z story.

That... could be an actual possibility-- if I'm being completely honest, I find it hard to see Valt in the story without there being Shu. Idk I guess it has something to do with that extra chapter after God in which shows that Shu and Valt are a pair-- rivals and friends-- and that their bond can't be separated or undone so easily. At least, that was the vibe that I was getting from that chapter.

It's like Tyson with kai always pair together . You can't have one without another. The only reason I think Shu should comeback for the last time. Aside from what you said  is because like valt he started burst system. With valkyrie and spriggan which started this fun adventure we're having right now. So shu one last time with valt would be a cool send off and maybe one last battle between the 2 but this time without this red eye thing. Just 2 childhood friends having fun They deserve it.

I agree, I would definitely want that to be a send off if this is the last time Valt or any of the older bladers show up again-- or if this is the end of Burst itself. The story started out with the two and it's most likely what held people onto the anime story-- we watched them get to the top together despite their distant and be able to uphold that promise in the very end. They honestly do deserve that, especially since CHOU-Z didn't have time to show that side of them. Their battles are always the ones that were hyped the most throughout the first two seasons.

Just thinking about a battle between Valt and Shu hypes me up, especially since we've seen different variations of it like, prodigy to rookie, good guy to bad guy, and main to unknown character. A battle between them in Super/Cho Z would be just like the final episode ("Bonds! Valt VS Aiga!!) with both trying to annihilate each other's burst stopper to actually get a Burst finish.

Credit to Valt to doing the unthinkable and reactivating the burst stoppers mid battle. This is exactly how he would beat Phi if they battled. That's one battle I wanted but will never see...

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Brave Valkyrie is my favorite bey, and Valt is my favorite character even if he's a bit overrated.

Valt's never been a character that cares much about data, he'd still love to stay and watched the battles. So, what you're saying, is that Valt SHOULD make the same mistake as he did with Shu in God which was leave the kid be and let him fester in his own thoughts and obsessions. Okay, so I guess Valt's learned nothing in season two and that whole thing of him understanding Shu has little to no significance. That's what I'm literally getting from this. And yes, Valt was around Shu most of the season 1 arc-- if they weren't together, they were in the same vicinity, and for Free, Valt was literally the only one Free could have a conversation that would understand him even before the God Blader's cup. Valt literally defends Free when Shasa called him out about how Free probably hates BC Sol-- Valt immediately speaks up for Free saying that Free loves the club. Valt barely knows this kid other than running around with him in the forest. If anything, Valt would have gotten a better feel of Aiga's character as a blader and person if he was at least around to watch over Aiga. I'm not saying that Valt has to be there to coddle Aiga, but the least he could do was watch the kid's growth. It literally feels like Valt's just saying it cause Aiga's the main character (again, this is a joke right here, but I thought I should say it since sarcasm and jokes don't seem to come across.) It'd make the Hearts vs Valt battle make more sense to help get the message across to Aiga. It would have held more of an importance to Aiga as a character and his story.

No, I said in battle, Valt usually learns about his opponents through battle. That didn't even change in season 2 since he had rematches with a carp ton of people who beat him a ton of times. And no, you're getting it wrong. And exactly, those moments between Shu adn Free were special, you implied wanted Valt to check up on Aiga like all the time. Besides, you used Drum as an example, Valt and Aiga battled in episode 1, of course Valt spent the whole first half of the season thinking about him. And Valt couldn't be most of the time because he was defending his title.
That's what the Hearts vs Valt did, Aiga losing to Phoenix not to long after was the point.

But you can literally kick any of the old bladers out and replace them-- except for Shu.

Then that eliminates the point of episode 1 since Aiga's goal was to beat Valt and be the strongest blader in the world. He got knocked out by Hearts to show: A) relying on the dark resonance instead of growing your natural skills and passion will harm you if someone even tougher or around the same level of Valt emerges, and B) no matter how strong you think you are, in life you'll learn you'll have to go higher, as well as C) if you're the strongest, prove it. Shu didn't win the tournament last year, Valt did. If you're mad about that, remember you're judging the show for what it gave you, not what you wanted.

And if losing a title ship is that easy, then... why hype it up and make it as great as it is to be?
Aiga's already achieved the goal of beating Valt. Even with dark resonance, he still remembers and felt the win that he had over Valt. So... why is he still in the story then? Why is it apparently a last minute thought in the final episode?

Welcome to elements of the real world being placed in a children's anime for kids. Either hold your title or keep winning, or you aren't the champion anymore, its a simple concept, at least it should be.
Literally the kids were supposed to consult with WBBA to be able to hold title matches, but that seems to be out the window as well as the anime doesn't even follow it's own rules and regulations. World Champion title literally means nothing at this point and especially throughout the CHOU-Z arc. I mean, look at the rankings-- means little to nothing at this point. If a title is so easy to lose, then they might as well not hype titles up as they did in God. I mean, Free de la Hoya? Number one blader in the entire world? And the only two people were able to best Free throughout the entire show? THAT holds some weight. Valt having the title only to lose it so soon in Chou-Z? Eh... is it really that big of a deal?

Aiga's already achieved the goal of beating Valt. Even with dark resonance, he still remembers and felt the win that he had over Valt. So... why is he still in the story then? Why is it apparently a last minute thought in the final episode? Why not have Aiga want to beat Phi instead as that was more of a hyped up battle? It was literally like "Oh, forgot, Valt Aoi the, the champion right now-- yeah, can't forget that he still exists!" That's how it felt to some of the fans. The end was very abrupt... Aiga achieved his goal twice...

God didn't give all the characters closure because we knew it wasn't the end, Cho-Z wasn't the end, if it was meant to be the finale  season, they would've gave that whole ending montage like in G Revolution and Shogun. And You do realize hAVING MULTIPLE RIVALS in a show. Valt should've just walked away instead of striving to get a new bey, improve as a blader, find Aiga help, and reclaim his title with the sportsmanship he's grown to accept instead of crying or cracking whenever he lost.....yeah, sure, whatever helps you.

But his character was downgraded, I know many haven't read the manga, but Valt was mature but still kept his character throughout the CHOU-Z arc. In the anime, they hardly show how strong he was until maybe the last episode, but that was it. Literally, all of Valt's matches didn't seem that hard or anything compared to all the matches he had in God. And yes, I do miss him because this isn't the Valt that people know or remember. This Valt seems... like an empty shell of his former self almost. I get that characters grow and mature, but not to the extent where they feel so distant from the audience. This was a character that the audience sympathized with and even cheered on in the final battle. Also I don't... know any of the characters that you keep bringing up that aren't beyburst related?? First Naruto, and now... this one I don't even know.

Strength/Valt's matches: lost points to Kurts and Silas, tied with Lui, lost to Free because he couldn't master on the spot, lost two pints to Kit, and nearly beat Valt, 10 matches where only two of them weren't real challenges out of eight:
1)2-0 against Aiga where he almost got ringed out
2) Kurtz ringed him out despite Cho Z being made of stronger metal
3) Lui and him destroyed the stadium 2 to 2.
4) Silas got him with a Burst Finish.
5) Aiga needed the Dark power to win
6) He was training with Free, and lost four times in a row
7) Hearts was still powerful enough
8) Valt beat Kit with little experience
9) Kit still managed to get two points off of him
10) The final match against Aiga, nuff said there

Maturity: If you personally felt Valt was too distant, that's on you, but people do mature that way. Think about it in his mannerisms, time to time he can be goofy but he's still got his passion to win, he's still having fun with his battles and trusts Valkyire to the end, and unlike before where he'd have a massive grudge to take down anyone who even midly upset with him, he doesn't here. Maturity results in changes regardless.


Sasuke vs Itachi is one of the most impactful rivalries for the last decade of anime, you could just type in Sasuke Uchiha or Itachi Uchiha on wikipedia and it'll explain some of it. B-Daman Fireblast and Beyblade are made by the same company and Cho-Z and Fireblast have similar storylines and character arcs. You're misintepreting a fair amount of what I've been saying, so no, they aren't ripoffs. Watch & read more stories. That's not an insult, just advice.

They could have just added the Beigoma club members (you know, the ones that didn't even have lines but were in the background). Then why give the kids in the opening certain details-- again, this NEVER happened in the previous two seasons of burst as they always added characters who were at least in the same verse and story.

Some people are upset about it because some were hyped up to see them. Why couldn't they be the kids that Aiga battled in his hometown-- you know, the group of kids that tried to stop Aiga from leaving? It's not symbolism, there are people who genuinely wanted to see these characters at least once-- I mean look at some of the other teams that BC Sol went up against. We got to see that girl blader again from that one team that beat BC Sol but lost to the Paris Bladers at least twice and she's not even in the opening. She's not even an important character but was still brought back. Idk how symbolism came into the mix in this??

Looking at it for the millionth time, honestly, most of them are just silhouttes of random background characters, some are literally the models from the random kids in the opening narration (All those people in the shadows). Its happened in countless anime; Danball Senki W's second opening, a few of Naruto's, One Piece, and others. For clarity since you don't know a lot of anime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITeGZjcs5uM go to 0:54.

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Some people are upset about it because some were hyped up to see them.

I wanna find more people like this since at no point did I hear anyone go, LOOK AT ALL THESE COOL NO NAME RANDO BLADERS OUR MAIN CHARACTER IS GONNA TO BEAT…cuz we have actual rivals to focus on: Ranjiro, Suoh, Houi, and Fubuki. Whoever was fixated on something that was never meant to be, that’s on them.

Free never became a rival again to Aiga.

Neither did half of B Block to Valt during the God Blader’s Cup. Last arc of the show and everything. Irony’s wonderful. And again, the rivals and important characters/bladers that will have some focus in that arc, yeah yeah yeah you can say Kit didn’t do much (just fighting Aiga and Valt and trying to be a strong blader like the rest of BC Sol he watched on the sidelines), Free didn’t do much (Phi destroyed Geist Fafnir and he was pretty heartbroken over that), and Shu definitely di….oh wait you said they could’ve dropped all the old characters except Shu.
“But you can literally kick any of the old bladers out and replace them-- except for Shu.”

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Shu and Aiga never actually had an official match-- and, okay, your second point literally makes no sense... They did have a match during the Longinus Cup. That's what the first opening was referring to when it showed off these rivals. Fubuki was someone that Aiga wanted to best since Fubuki had a CHOU-Z bey, and Fubuki also had his own character arc in the beginning (until he became... little to nothing in the main cast. I mean, he was there, but the kid wasn't exactly a main character...)

Fubuki's arc ended too quickly, he should've had a final arc against Evel, I agree there. Plus, I said rivals and final opponents in the show for Valt, Phi, and...well since you're being so literally I should use OR instead of and, Aiga. Shu/Free/Aiga battled Phi, Kitt battled Aiga/Valt, I apologize for not maing that clear.

My quote “Houi was side by side to Suoh in opening 1, does that automatically mean THEY’RE GOING TO FIGHT ONE ON ONE IN ARC 1, no, they’re rival bladers, except Suoh’s mostly likely has another personality and Houi’s physically strong. Not as nice as we see in the show, but still strong.”

Correct me if I’m wrong, anyone, anyone, but raise your hands if Suoh and Houi battled each in the Longnius cup or even had a match. No seriously: I’ll name all the battles in the Longinus Cup. And because I’m nice, all the sides on the left are the winners
Aiga vs Koji
Suoh vs Tokonatsu
Houi vs random snake blader
Aiga vs Ranjiro
Suoh vs Fubuki
Aiga vs Houi
Aiga vs Suoh
Aiga vs Lui
Suoh vs Hoji arc 1….where you at tho? If you're referring to Aiga vs Houi vs Suoh....that was arc 2: Battleship Cruise, and I pointed out, 1 on 1, unless you count the gloified Ghost Ship minigames...also in arc 2. If you want to make the argument you were referring to opening 2, Suoh/Ranjiro/and Houi were together in that one scene as foreshadowing that they'd be the first ones eliminated from the Battleship Cruise as well as the scene with Fubuki and Suoh looking away from each other as...well you know.

What happened to ken?!? How did Kyle get kerbeus

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What happened to ken?!? How did Kyle get kerbeus

Ken just stopped appearing. Apparently Kyle won it in a South American tournament...I think, we brought it up before once.

Also where did cuza go

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Also where did cuza go

No idea lol. With all the parkour Kyle does, Cuza could've lowkey trained him lol. That'd be an interesting interaction.

I heard there's going to be a new Spriggan, and just wanna add in that it could be a possibility that Shu shows up only in the manga and not in the anime (so that there's no need for a new VA) It wouldn't be surprising considering the manga shows a lot more reoccurring characters for GT than the anime itself.

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What happened to ken?!? How did Kyle get kerbeus

Ken just stopped appearing. Apparently Kyle won it in a South American tournament...I think, we brought it up before once.

Can I ask where they mentioned that fact? Is it in the anime or manga?

I heard there's going to be a new Spriggan, and just wanna add in that it could be a possibility that Shu shows up only in the manga and not in the anime (so that there's no need for a new VA) It wouldn't be surprising considering the manga shows a lot more reoccurring characters for GT than the anime itself.

He could hand it down to the next blader without speaking right? Unless Japanese has the "if you're VA quits your character is gone", even though anime has switched voice actors before.

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We get... little to nothing of that development or same character. Previously stated, Valt seems more like a husk of his old self who is so detach from both the cast and audience. He plays a minor role and not really a main character in CHOU-Z arc-- did they do this with Shu's character in season 1? Season 2 he was still a main character but hardly showed up-- we still see him develop throughout the whole season. So yes, Valt's character WAS downgraded. 

You can’t compare season 1 Shu to season 2 to season 3 Shu to Aiga. He’s still a supporting character by definition and role alone. Yeah, Shu was the deutragionist and Valt’s best friend, there’s a reason being the second main character and having so main arcs because:
Arc 1: Shu and Valt were in the same tournament, Aiga had to focus on battling in the Longnius with his own rivals around his skill level, makes no sense for Valt to be in that same tournament unless you really want to start shoehorning characters for fantasy instead of actually storytelling logic especially since Aiga would’ve gotten a over finish, not a burst finish on Valt and Valt was taking on opponents that could Burst him with little difficulty. If you say but Lui, A) as Lui said, that was just luck on Aiga’s part, B) people have argued if Lui won the whole arc would’ve been all for nothing and C) Aiga was still growing as a blader. For people who complain he got way too strong: Aiga barely managed to win even with the experience from THREE of his four rivals and had experience fighting Lui taking him seriously, and Valt’s battle with Lui destroyed the stadium.
Arc 2: Combine all the that of Choz equivalent of the Supreme Four: 3 out of 4, in a 9 way battle for the top, an improved Fubuki, he still struggles with Suoh, and Kyle, yeah, no surprise battling all of them before his dark resonance. Again, he only beat Fubuki, Phi, and Valt because of the Dark resonance, something he admitted he doesn’t look back on with good memories or consider them valid wins. You might, but he doesn’t. Meanwhile what was Shu doing between episodes 15 and 26….staying in the background, getting his hand healed, one conversation, and then saying hey I’m joining the bey club.
Arc 3: She’s on the same team with Valt. Aiga and Ranjiro went on their own to the Dead Gran. I’m sorry if you wanted it to be Valt, who was busy, I don’t know, getting help making a new bey and reclaiming his title? I mean, you could bring highly expensive bey training equipment onto a helicopter and make a new bey in a castle where you have to get through every trial underneath a time limit but that’s totally feasible right? Sure…..yeah
Again comparing Shu’s role as the second main character to Valt’s isn’t a fair comparison. More so Xhaka/Zac and Lui to Valt if that’s where you wanna go but now you can tell about how they’re minor characters as well.
Also, primary main goal rivals are never minor characters: wasn’t for Tala, or Kai, Ryuga, Julian, but hey, your logic.

I heard there's going to be a new Spriggan, and just wanna add in that it could be a possibility that Shu shows up only in the manga and not in the anime (so that there's no need for a new VA) It wouldn't be surprising considering the manga shows a lot more reoccurring characters for GT than the anime itself.

He could hand it down to the next blader without speaking right? Unless Japanese has the "if you're VA quits your character is gone", even though anime has switched voice actors before.

It's a possibility. But, I think a lot of people would be disappointed if Spriggan were to be given to another character (especially if Shu did so without speaking)

Whether he appears a lot or not doesn't change the fact that he does little to nothing in the entirety of CHOU-Z story

You kinda made a big point of it before several times, so and he does. Also he does do stuff, its your mile on whether you think that was relevant, not what happened.

-- I mean, even manga counterpart had more of a role and seemed much more like a major character than a minor one-- even with the limited amount of times and panels he showed up in. They completely tossed aside Lui, it's as if Lui never exists after the Longinus Cup-- not only that but he was bested by Aiga in their second battle. A guy who held the second strongest title throughout the beyblade world-- who gave Valt and everyone at the top a struggle-- yet Aiga beat him and that was it for him. I think, people are more upset about that than saying Lui's a terrible character. He's a great character but had a poor role in the CHOU-Z story.

Third battle. people really enjoying forgetting Lui defeated Aiga, Fubuki, and Ranjirou at once, but that’s why I’m here. Also, he didn’t, hold the second strongest title:
viewer wise we knew Valt and Shu could’ve beaten him.
Season 2, he eventually lost to Free and Shu and was dropped from the second best…well first best, to fourth best.

Again, he should’ve been used in more arcs, but no, he’s not a minor character either. And considering what he did in a short amount of time he was poorly used, just not used enough. There are ways to incorporate him into future arcs if you want to talk about it.

One, you're the one that's getting it wrong here. I never said that I wanted Valt to check up with Aiga all the time. Checking up on him from time to time does not equate to all the time. I literally said that Valt does not have to coddle Aiga, you're the one that's making implications over what the actual person is saying. Please refrain from doing this in conversations unless I outright state "I WANT VALT TO CHECK UP ON AIGA ALL THE TIME"-- that's literally not what I said. Valt literally taught Drum beyblade-- he's spent actual time off-screen with Valt therefore Valt KNEW DRUM. Aiga? He's only known Aiga through one episode and through one battle-- he doesn't know Aiga's actual battle style before Aiga got into beyblade-- he had natural talent, and Valt did see that in him, but in no way does that mean that Valt knows Aiga's actual battle style. Valt may learn things through battle but he'd definitely wouldn't leave the battleship-- it doesn't even have to be about him learning who his opponent is-- the guy just honestly loves beyblade and he honestly wouldn't miss watching the battles of his suppose opponent. He literally did that in the manga, why is it suddenly so wrong and out of the question to let him stay aboard the ship. Title matches were only allowed by the WBBA and they were official matches that were approved by them-- in no instances did it show Valt having to defend his title during the Beyqueen arc-- that whole tournament was for that title match after all. Other than his battle with Kurtz and Sisco, what other time would Valt be defending his title in between the beyqueen setting sail to when the tournament was settled after it docked at BC Sol.

I can't... even make sense of the first paragraph here... but, yes those moments were special, but it still indicated that Valt checked in on them from time to time. Why couldn't that happen with Aiga and him? Valt was literally so distant to everyone throughout the entire season-- there are bare minimum moments of where Valt actually has a heart to heart with someone and there's any emotion behind what he says. The Hearts vs Valt did not get that message across, Aiga literally threw a tantrum and ran out-- Aiga was more upset that he was pushing his will upon Achilles and being the reason why his bey broke-- he really didn't get it until Shu went with him to make Chou-Z Achilles. Shu was the one that was guiding Aiga down that path not Valt. Valt literally did nothing to help guide Aiga other than being the one to guide Shu in this way of beyblade.

Also, again, do not assume the reason as to why I feel mad about something. I'm not mad at what the show gave me for the first two seasons-- in fact I'm more happy of what they gave me. But he still was able to beat Valt-- Valt literally lost twice to the kid now which is why I said that you could replace Valt with probably any other character (Phi in this case) as Phi was an actual struggle for Aiga to defeat truly. Episode 1 literally starts off the story but you could literally skip out most of the middle part and just go to the end because the middle part gives little to no advancement to the start of the plot. There didn't need to be a dark resonance arc as that literally solved nothing of what the beginning set out.

Then it holds no importance to the show whatsoever? Is that something we agree on or what? Because while Burst does have some real world elements to it-- CHOU-Z mostly threw that out the window. It's not a simple concept if the show and universe hype it up to be as big of a title as it is. Why are titles important? Why are rankings important? They literally hold no significance to the show or world at that point after God-- so why are these matches a big deal to Aiga? Why is Aiga battling the Four Zetsu's important if ranking and titles hold no significance whatsoever? Do they constantly keep winning? Hold their title? What? I get that bringing real world elements may help with this case-- but it honestly doesn't explain why it's such a big deal. It also doesn't explain why it's such a big thing for the title to be handed off to another character such as from Valt (who held it for two years, is this even a big thing anymore) to Aiga. Why and how does this hold such a big significance.

I mean, I'm at the point saying whatever helps you because I honestly don't think we're watching and reading the same show. I get that having multiple rivals in the show is a thing-- again, looking at God season in which there were many big rivals that showed up at the end-- while the Free vs Valt was hyped up to be a big battle-- Shu vs Valt was still an importance and has always been the goal of Valt's story. We, as the audience, still remember that Shu battling Valt in the finals was going to be the end goal and was never forgotten, DESPITE Valt having multiple rivals at the time. Many of the characters may have not got a solid end in the finale of God-- but it still wrapped up nicely with seeing what happens with Shu and Valt who were the main characters of their story. We also see what Sisco and some of the BC Sol members thought about Valt coming out there for the final announcement. We also get to see before the group splits up again and how everyone felt towards what happened. Aiga's story literally just ends with nothing to wrap it up-- not even Drum coming in and wanting to battle Aiga like in the manga. I'm fine with Aiga having multiple rivals, but his battle with Valt was not as hyped as it was to be if that were the end goal. Phi vs Aiga was way more hyped and drawn out which seemed more like a final battle than Valt vs Aiga. But you know, whatever helps you at this point, right?

Most of Valt's battles weren't even shown in the anime nor did they hold any huge significance to the story itself. Oh? Seeing points of the match so far? THAT shows me how so powerful Valt is! Amazing! Yeah, we never get a showcase of Valt's actual battles though so how are we supposed to know or see Valt's skill in battle other than the few actual times we see him. I get it, that he was still struggling with a new bey-- but it literally... doesn't tell anyone how powerful Valt is throughout CHOU-Z and what makes him such a formidable champion. Take the manga for example, Valt still showcased his strength through his battle with Aiga with actually teaching Aiga what beyblade is and what he's doing is just pure arrogance. THAT is showcasing Valt's skill and abilities as a blader that we never get to see after his match with Aiga in the first episode.

I'm inclined to believe Valt got replaced in s-3. Maturity does not result in a character being distant to everyone around him. Again, looking at Manga counterpart Valt, Valt was still himself while showing maturity. He may not have talked very much, but there was still that enthusiasm that was very much there in Valt while looking over the battles. Anime Valt... we probably get that in the beginning of the beyqueen arc...? Yeah, that's pretty much it. But even the wiki states that he's much more like Free except not as laid back. Should I just start calling him Free 2.0? Because the wiki mostly gets its information from anime.

Okay, but why make references and believe that everyone would have the time or focus to watch them. I do watch and read other things, I may not have the focus or time for them. Please don't assume that everyone should read the same things as you. That's the vibe I'm getting from this advice of yours. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting them because you've been misinterpreting pretty much what everyone's said and instead start poking at people at a personal level. For example, "whatever helps you" is really condescending and you're now poking the person at a personal level rather than have an actual discussion like in one of your previous posts. You also seemed to point and belittle someone that pointed out that they just didn't agree with you. Maybe just a word of advice from me to you now, but please reconsider what you say to people and learn to use a bit of tact in your conversations.

Also, you probably could have just used previous seasons of beyblade burst since that seems to be where the discussion is more at rather than references from other shows that not everyone would watch. I mean, you could've used Haikyuu references (which is a sports anime, go figure) or PokeSpec as that also has a lot of rival dynamics within them-- not even PokeSpec but pokemon itself. Don't assume that everyone is going to go dig for these references just to keep a discussion like this up.

You still get details of them later on and they have very unique designs. And now I'm taking it as an insult since you seem like you want to rub salt in the wound at this point-- again, this is from observation of what you're saying. And no, I'm referring to BURST-- did I say like other animes? No, I'm talking about Burst openings, you're making the conversation non sequitur for what reason now? Just so you can poke at me on a personal level?

Should I point out that there are a few people on tumblr or even twitter that point out these flaws on the show. That a server that I'm in even points out these flaws as well-- it's a beyburst server btw-- it's called talking to many other fans than just one place. I've talked to a few others that would have at least liked to see the characters in the background.

But they kind of were and their arc with Valt kind of ended already? Like Joshua had his battle with Valt in the finals of the world tournament in which they couldn't have their battle before. He was a rival-- Valt literally lost to Ru Wei during the bey parade and then battled him again in the tournament. Even Xhaka has been a constant rival along with Lui, later in Chou-Z and then Free. They were still relevant and rivals to Valt throughout their story and first appearance. Free and Aiga, not so much-- Free never came back and Aiga never got an official or real match with Free. Free held literally no role to the story other than he's there and then his bey gets destroyed. That's it.

Why... why Evel? What does Evel have to do with Fubuki? Why.. why would he be a final arc to Fubuki? What even??? And... you're still not making that clear (more than half of what I'm reading isn't clear)--

Aiga was literally in the middle running between them and we're more focused on Aiga at that point. Did I.... ever state that they would battle? Did I outright say, "Oh boy Houi and Suoh going to be rivals and battle it out!" No... I... did not. Where are you getting this? Aiga is running in between them so we see these are the opponents he's going to be battling in the first arc. I honestly lost track of what you're referring to at this point.

I can't even comprehend the next post, so you know, just going to put this out with saying, yes, Valt became a minor character in CHOU-Z. I already stated as to why but it seems to come across misinterpreted or the point is completely missed. But you know, again as you say, "whatever helps you."

((I'm so sorry for these long posts of mines, everyone!!))

One, you're the one that's getting it wrong here. I never said that I wanted Valt to check up with Aiga all the time. Checking up on him from time to time does not equate to all the time. I literally said that Valt does not have to coddle Aiga, you're the one that's making implications over what the actual person is saying. Please refrain from doing this in conversations unless I outright state "I WANT VALT TO CHECK UP ON AIGA ALL THE TIME"-- that's literally not what I said. Valt literally taught Drum beyblade-- he's spent actual time off-screen with Valt therefore Valt KNEW DRUM. Aiga? He's only known Aiga through one episode and through one battle-- he doesn't know Aiga's actual battle style before Aiga got into beyblade-- he had natural talent, and Valt did see that in him, but in no way does that mean that Valt knows Aiga's actual battle style. Valt may learn things through battle but he'd definitely wouldn't leave the battleship-- it doesn't even have to be about him learning who his opponent is-- the guy just honestly loves beyblade and he honestly wouldn't miss watching the battles of his suppose opponent. He literally did that in the manga, why is it suddenly so wrong and out of the question to let him stay aboard the ship. Title matches were only allowed by the WBBA and they were official matches that were approved by them-- in no instances did it show Valt having to defend his title during the Beyqueen arc-- that whole tournament was for that title match after all. Other than his battle with Kurtz and Sisco, what other time would Valt be defending his title in between the beyqueen setting sail to when the tournament was settled after it docked at BC Sol.

I can't... even make sense of the first paragraph here... but, yes those moments were special, but it still indicated that Valt checked in on them from time to time. Why couldn't that happen with Aiga and him? Valt was literally so distant to everyone throughout the entire season-- there are bare minimum moments of where Valt actually has a heart to heart with someone and there's any emotion behind what he says. The Hearts vs Valt did not get that message across, Aiga literally threw a tantrum and ran out-- Aiga was more upset that he was pushing his will upon Achilles and being the reason why his bey broke-- he really didn't get it until Shu went with him to make Chou-Z Achilles. Shu was the one that was guiding Aiga down that path not Valt. Valt literally did nothing to help guide Aiga other than being the one to guide Shu in this way of beyblade.

Also, again, do not assume the reason as to why I feel mad about something. I'm not mad at what the show gave me for the first two seasons-- in fact I'm more happy of what they gave me. But he still was able to beat Valt-- Valt literally lost twice to the kid now which is why I said that you could replace Valt with probably any other character (Phi in this case) as Phi was an actual struggle for Aiga to defeat truly. Episode 1 literally starts off the story but you could literally skip out most of the middle part and just go to the end because the middle part gives little to no advancement to the start of the plot. There didn't need to be a dark resonance arc as that literally solved nothing of what the beginning set out.

Then it holds no importance to the show whatsoever? Is that something we agree on or what? Because while Burst does have some real world elements to it-- CHOU-Z mostly threw that out the window. It's not a simple concept if the show and universe hype it up to be as big of a title as it is. Why are titles important? Why are rankings important? They literally hold no significance to the show or world at that point after God-- so why are these matches a big deal to Aiga? Why is Aiga battling the Four Zetsu's important if ranking and titles hold no significance whatsoever? Do they constantly keep winning? Hold their title? What? I get that bringing real world elements may help with this case-- but it honestly doesn't explain why it's such a big deal. It also doesn't explain why it's such a big thing for the title to be handed off to another character such as from Valt (who held it for two years, is this even a big thing anymore) to Aiga. Why and how does this hold such a big significance.

I mean, I'm at the point saying whatever helps you because I honestly don't think we're watching and reading the same show. I get that having multiple rivals in the show is a thing-- again, looking at God season in which there were many big rivals that showed up at the end-- while the Free vs Valt was hyped up to be a big battle-- Shu vs Valt was still an importance and has always been the goal of Valt's story. We, as the audience, still remember that Shu battling Valt in the finals was going to be the end goal and was never forgotten, DESPITE Valt having multiple rivals at the time. Many of the characters may have not got a solid end in the finale of God-- but it still wrapped up nicely with seeing what happens with Shu and Valt who were the main characters of their story. We also see what Sisco and some of the BC Sol members thought about Valt coming out there for the final announcement. We also get to see before the group splits up again and how everyone felt towards what happened. Aiga's story literally just ends with nothing to wrap it up-- not even Drum coming in and wanting to battle Aiga like in the manga. I'm fine with Aiga having multiple rivals, but his battle with Valt was not as hyped as it was to be if that were the end goal. Phi vs Aiga was way more hyped and drawn out which seemed more like a final battle than Valt vs Aiga. But you know, whatever helps you at this point, right?

Most of Valt's battles weren't even shown in the anime nor did they hold any huge significance to the story itself. Oh? Seeing points of the match so far? THAT shows me how so powerful Valt is! Amazing! Yeah, we never get a showcase of Valt's actual battles though so how are we supposed to know or see Valt's skill in battle other than the few actual times we see him. I get it, that he was still struggling with a new bey-- but it literally... doesn't tell anyone how powerful Valt is throughout CHOU-Z and what makes him such a formidable champion. Take the manga for example, Valt still showcased his strength through his battle with Aiga with actually teaching Aiga what beyblade is and what he's doing is just pure arrogance. THAT is showcasing Valt's skill and abilities as a blader that we never get to see after his match with Aiga in the first episode.

I'm inclined to believe Valt got replaced in s-3. Maturity does not result in a character being distant to everyone around him. Again, looking at Manga counterpart Valt, Valt was still himself while showing maturity. He may not have talked very much, but there was still that enthusiasm that was very much there in Valt while looking over the battles. Anime Valt... we probably get that in the beginning of the beyqueen arc...? Yeah, that's pretty much it. But even the wiki states that he's much more like Free except not as laid back. Should I just start calling him Free 2.0? Because the wiki mostly gets its information from anime.

Okay, but why make references and believe that everyone would have the time or focus to watch them. I do watch and read other things, I may not have the focus or time for them. Please don't assume that everyone should read the same things as you. That's the vibe I'm getting from this advice of yours. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting them because you've been misinterpreting pretty much what everyone's said and instead start poking at people at a personal level. For example, "whatever helps you" is really condescending and you're now poking the person at a personal level rather than have an actual discussion like in one of your previous posts. You also seemed to point and belittle someone that pointed out that they just didn't agree with you. Maybe just a word of advice from me to you now, but please reconsider what you say to people and learn to use a bit of tact in your conversations.  

Also, you probably could have just used previous seasons of beyblade burst since that seems to be where the discussion is more at rather than references from other shows that not everyone would watch. I mean, you could've used Haikyuu references (which is a sports anime, go figure) or PokeSpec as that also has a lot of rival dynamics within them-- not even PokeSpec but pokemon itself. Don't assume that everyone is going to go dig for these references just to keep a discussion like this up.

You still get details of them later on and they have very unique designs. And now I'm taking it as an insult since you seem like you want to rub salt in the wound at this point-- again, this is from observation of what you're saying. And no, I'm referring to BURST-- did I say like other animes? No, I'm talking about Burst openings, you're making the conversation non sequitur for what reason now? Just so you can poke at me on a personal level?

Should I point out that there are a few people on tumblr or even twitter that point out these flaws on the show. That a server that I'm in even points out these flaws as well-- it's a beyburst server btw-- it's called talking to many other fans than just one place. I've talked to a few others that would have at least liked to see the characters in the background.

But they kind of were and their arc with Valt kind of ended already? Like Joshua had his battle with Valt in the finals of the world tournament in which they couldn't have their battle before. He was a rival-- Valt literally lost to Ru Wei during the bey parade and then battled him again in the tournament. Even Xhaka has been a constant rival along with Lui, later in Chou-Z and then Free. They were still relevant and rivals to Valt throughout their story and first appearance. Free and Aiga, not so much-- Free never came back and Aiga never got an official or real match with Free. Free held literally no role to the story other than he's there and then his bey gets destroyed. That's it.

Why... why Evel? What does Evel have to do with Fubuki? Why.. why would he be a final arc to Fubuki? What even???  And... you're still not making that clear (more than half of what I'm reading isn't clear)--

Aiga was literally in the middle running between them and we're more focused on Aiga at that point. Did I.... ever state that they would battle? Did I outright say, "Oh boy Houi and Suoh going to be rivals and battle it out!" No... I... did not. Where are you getting this? Aiga is running in between them so we see these are the opponents he's going to be battling in the first arc. I honestly lost track of what you're referring to at this point.

I can't even comprehend the next post, so you know, just going to put this out with saying, yes, Valt became a minor character in CHOU-Z. I already stated as to why but it seems to come across misinterpreted or the point is completely missed. But you know, again as you say, "whatever helps you."

((I'm so sorry for these long posts of mines, everyone!!))

Dude relax.
I'm not going to bother reading all of this for reasons you'll see later, but I'll answer some of these.
You said before Houi and Suoh had a battle in the Longinus Cup.
Geez you chastize me for not being clear and taking a joke, I decide to take the time out and explain. Geez at this point I could get one of my short stories done with the time I spent responding to you.
I use references because many shows and anime (that people have watched) has a lot of plot elements/writing narratives/overall stuff Cho Z does in more iconic fashion that overlap.
You don't have to take it personally.
I said a while ago on this forum since Fubuki's arc ended in arc 2, I was trying to come up with ways to give Ranjiro, Suoh, and Fubuki more to do in the second half of the show and I mentioned it in a badly recorded video I made on youtube: Suoh training under Lui again to improve and eventually defeat him, Ranjiro deciding to join BC Sol, and I was thinking Evel could be a final opponent for Fubuki. Fubuki's core character trait has been about him valuing hard work vs opponents like Suoh that believe natural talent and genius triumphs over all, something Evel epitomizes and part of Fubuki's character arc was accepting he could grow not just through had work alone, but combining the two. If he spent the last part of the series with Evel as a challenge to do so, I'd think it would've ended Fubuki's character on a high arc. I'm prepared and accepting of your potential disagreement.
Most of your points have to do with perception, and you said you don't understand a lot of what I'm saying, its okay, it happens.

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If these long responses are annoying to anyone else, I apologize as well.

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I can't... even make sense of the first paragraph her[quote="Okanie" pid='1528008' dateline='1561688233']
Also, again, do not assume the reason as to why I feel mad about something. I'm not mad at what the show gave me for the first two seasons
Because while Burst does have some real world elements to it-- CHOU-Z mostly threw that out the window. It's not a simple concept if the show and universe hype it up to be as big of a title as it is. Why are titles important? Why are rankings important?

But you're igorning and belittling elements and facts from the first two seasons that are relevant for the third season.
I'll ask your question about titles and ranking importance: why does any sport have tournaments, titles, and rankings and why are they important? Because they can get taken away at any time. You want to prove your the best in the world at whatever sport, be prepared to back it up. Football, basketball, etc, several sports have people aiming to be the top team in their field for: pride, status, people's entertain and money. This may sound cyncical but people of summarized the importances of professional sports as players putting their pride on the line for a symbol of their efforts and drive to keep proving or regaining their status as best in the world, and the players & sports themselves are nothing more than clowns for the amusement of people willing to pay hundreds of dollars to watch them compete. Since only using Beyblade references values your intelligence:
Rankings are an arbitary system regardless humans use as value. As people have said on this site, Joshua was the 3rd strongest blader, but that meant nothing since Daigo was close to beating him, Valt and Sisco managed to defeat him, and Sisco eventually overpowered him.
Tyson became a blader partly to cope when his mother died and developed a passion for it.
Valt and Shu valued their friendship and respect towards one another as bladers to reach the finals as proof of their efforts and to test themselves against each other.
Beyblade strives to prove winning isn't everything. Beyblade for most of the characters is to have fun and prove themselves, winning and getting titles are part of it, but its not the only thing that matters, aka, Aiga's big flaw in Cho Z. Better explanation?

I mean, I'm at the point saying whatever helps you because I honestly don't think we're watching and reading the same show.

Ugh, wow, so when you present your perspective its fine, but when I do it with facts from the show to explain my reasoning, its a problem. How fair is that?

But you know, whatever helps you at this point, right?

I'm inclined to believe Valt got replaced in s-3. Maturity does not result in a character being distant to everyone around him.

People mature differently. I'm sorry you feel that way about Valt, but he's still there so like it or not, that's still Valt. Facts vs opinions

Okay, but why make references and believe that everyone would have the time or focus to watch them. I do watch and read other things, I may not have the focus or time for them.
Also, you probably could have just used previous seasons of beyblade burst since that seems to be where the discussion is more at rather than references from other shows that not everyone would watch. I mean, you could've used Haikyuu references (which is a sports anime, go figure) or PokeSpec as that also has a lot of rival dynamics within them-- not even PokeSpec but pokemon itself. Don't assume that everyone is going to go dig for these references just to keep a discussion like this up.

Danball Senki is a fantasy sports anime in the same veins of Beyblade. If another season of Burst doesn't have the specific examples of Cho Z I'm referring to but another anime that is more well known does, am I so wrong to use it as a reference or example to get my point across?

And now I'm taking it as an insult since you seem like you want to rub salt in the wound at this point-- again, this is from observation of what you're saying. And no, I'm referring to BURST-- did I say like other animes? No, I'm talking about Burst openings, you're making the conversation non sequitur for what reason now? Just so you can poke at me on a personal level?

You said, this is the only beyblade opening to have this problem, something through all the conversations I've had with people about Cho-Z. Why would I bring up your personal experiences when I don't know any of yours.
" No, I'm talking about Burst openings, you're making the conversation non sequitur for what reason now?" I'm talking about HOW OTHER ANIME OPENINGS USE IT SO ITS NOT RANDOM, SINCE YOU GOT MAD EARLIER THAT ITS THE FIRST OPENING TO HAVE THIS PROBLEM.

Should I point out that there are a few people on tumblr or even twitter that point out these flaws on the show. That a server that I'm in even points out these flaws as well-- it's a beyburst server btw-- it's called talking to many other fans than just one place. I've talked to a few others that would have at least liked to see the characters in the background.

I've talked to other people too about beyblade burst on twitter, tumblr and google plus long before i joined this sight as well. Like you said, "do not assume". I'm not patronizing you, I'm answering and telling you my perspective as well as conversations I've had with several others fans.

Aiga was literally in the middle running between them and we're more focused on Aiga at that point. Did I.... ever state that they would battle? Did I outright say, "Oh boy Houi and Suoh going to be rivals and battle it out!" No... I... did not. Where are you getting this? Aiga is running in between them so we see these are the opponents he's going to be battling in the first arc. I honestly lost track of what you're referring to at this point.

"Guess we should've changed Kit's face to Aiga's face as he was honestly facing Free when he showed up in the opening. Also they completely changed the scene with Shu so... where is the three way battle coming from? And Valt would have never battled these opponents-- well, only Kit but it's not even a significant battle at all".
You were complaining about the shadowed characters that are just there because, as I explained anime as a whole tends to show shadowed forgettable silhouettes as a sign of characters. I used the other anime to describe other anime that have done this. And in the veins of a fantasy sports anime, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT USING HAIYAKKU BECAUSE I CAN'T ASSUME EVERYONE WATCHES A CERTAIN ANIME, so I picked a video to show you since you struggle to understand what I'm saying.

I can't even comprehend the next post, so you know, just going to put this out with saying, yes, Valt became a minor character in CHOU-Z. I already stated as to why but it seems to come across misinterpreted or the point is completely missed. But you know, again as you say, "whatever helps you."

If what I'm saying is that complicated to you, I'd love to break it down to you. Because if you can't comprehend, I'm wondering if you're putting in the effort to (and some can see that as disrespectful, I don't) or if I need to rephrase my language to make it easier for you to understand.
This is a community where we should be respecting one another. You've been making subtle insults about me for a while now, I've assumed they were accidental, but if it happens again, I'm asking a mod to intervene.

Again, I'm going to point out to move this to dms because I don't want to drag out this conversation on public. You've been the one misreading me and throwing insults at me and a few others. I apologize if I got snappy with my last post but you literally belittled and insulted me and constantly quoted my posts (which you know notifies me), not only that you've actually had a condescending tone with anyone that disagreed with you. When you post an opinion in a public forum people are going to see, and people are going to debate and come up with their own opinion. Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but the world doesn't revolve around you.

Your conversations derail constantly from the point you're making so that people get lost in the reasoning. Not only that, you're the one that doesn't seem to put in the effort of actually trying to not misinterpret things. You don't explain in a clear way that anyone could understand. I have trouble reading your post without struggle because it's a jumbled mess of things that don't follow what you're quoting or don't make sense entirely due to the how incomplete the paragraph/sentence becomes. I apologize if that's difficult for me to read but simple for you. Sometimes you may have to simplify it for someone who may not understand it, but that does not give you a right to be extremely rude to them.

I've wanted to debate with you, that's literally it. If you didn't want a debate then say, "I have to agree to disagree on your opinion." and move on, if things don't go your way, that's just how conversations work. You've literally quoted me several times now and most of my notifications are flooded with your messages.

I've stated before that taking it to dms would be the better choice because I don't want this dragged out. I don't want this in the public view nor do I want to bother people in this forum about something TRIVIAL. Go and talk to the mods-- I'm only going to state what's happened and what has been happening, and how I've tried to move it to dms yet you refuse and make the forums themselves toxic. I'm sorry that I actually tried to have a civil conversation with you but somehow it turned into personal attacks. I'm done, but the dm offers still stands and I will still talk civilly with you there. Good day/night. Please don't respond to this or any of the other responses I've had about this. It's done and over with unless moved to dms! Wishing you a wonderful day/night!