Beyblade fans operate on ABC logic way to much. No, Bell beating Free doesn't mean he's stronger than Lui. No, Bell bursting Spriggan doesn't mean he can Burst Valkyrie.

Yet Beyblade Logic makes no sense, in episode 19 of Beyblade Burst DB Bell lost to Rashad when in the previous episode he literally just beat Valt, and Rashad and Valt have the same Bey and according to Valt he's the only one that can connect with Valkyrie's heart, so shouldn't he have won instead of Rashad? My brain hurts

You don't have any idea what you're talking about lmao. Bell won because he hit Valkyrie mid air while it was descending. Avoid that and he can't do anything, he was struggling the whole time. Strategy is the backbone of Beyblade, not resonance.

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Everyone has a small reason to win. It's not like all of the side characters have grand reasons to win, and the protagonists don't.

Hyuga/Hikaru: They simply want to be the best after being inspired.

Valt: Wants to battle to see Hikaru and Hyuga go far, and possibly achieve a flare.

Rantaro: Want's to prove himself to his students by being on the level of the others.

Ranjiro: Wants to get revenge against Lain for the injury.

Silas: Wants to prove himself to Free that he's on the same level.

Free: Wants to get revenge on Lain.

Lui: He's always just enjoys battling since he gets to reign over as a powerful force.

Lain: This was left out of the anime, so that's a valid complaint. But he wanted to live up to Shu's expectations, but got so consumed with Flare to where he didn't care about Shu anymore.

Drum: Continuing in his goal to make Dragon the strongest Beyblade.

Shu: Wants to free Lain from his harmful Flare.

Aiga: Simply enjoys battling. Possibly also wants to be the World Champ again.

Wakiya: Doesn't need a reason to compete since he's not even competing.

This is how it always was from the start. This allows anyone to root for who they want, since no one feels more important than the other. That would jsut be tunnel visioning on certain characters, making the other ones left out from doing anything consequential.

All of these motivations for the bladers are fine, and yes I do agree that they don't have to be grand motivations from the get go. Hell, a lot of main characters start off with fairly basic starting goals of wanting to become the best, like Drum for instance. It's just later on, I want the brothers' goal to expand a bit and give them a bigger target to aim for.

Here's an idea I came up with (without copying the manga). I really wanted a moment where Hyuga and Hikaru get a hint that Lean has developed an unsatisfiable flare, feel a bit sorry for him, and get stronger to not only surpass the legends but also be enough to satisfy Lean.

Remember when you said that Hyuga and Hikaru were simply inspired by such an epic battle between Valt, Sisco, and Rantaro at the beginning and that excitement they experienced made them want to get stronger too? Perhaps Lean doesn't get to experience that same excitement (or at least hasn't experienced it for a while) that the brothers' do no matter how much he tries to call out his flare nor has any of the legends been able to satisfy him, hence why they would feel bad for him.

To both help Lean and become the best, they want to be strong enough to prove they can overcome the legends and surpass Lean's thirst for flare by reaching a higher standard. Granted, the anime almost does that, but I don't think the brothers had a moment where they felt bad for Lean.

It's not overly complex or complicated, it's simple stuff like this could work for the series.

Also moved the conversation here, so we don't keep flooding the "Beyblade Burst DB - Episode 21 Discussion" thread lol.

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Eh, I will think of something to put here...

... later ;)

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Everyone has a small reason to win. It's not like all of the side characters have grand reasons to win, and the protagonists don't.

Hyuga/Hikaru: They simply want to be the best after being inspired.

Valt: Wants to battle to see Hikaru and Hyuga go far, and possibly achieve a flare.

Rantaro: Want's to prove himself to his students by being on the level of the others.

Ranjiro: Wants to get revenge against Lain for the injury.

Silas: Wants to prove himself to Free that he's on the same level.

Free: Wants to get revenge on Lain.

Lui: He's always just enjoys battling since he gets to reign over as a powerful force.

Lain: This was left out of the anime, so that's a valid complaint. But he wanted to live up to Shu's expectations, but got so consumed with Flare to where he didn't care about Shu anymore.

Drum: Continuing in his goal to make Dragon the strongest Beyblade.

Shu: Wants to free Lain from his harmful Flare.

Aiga: Simply enjoys battling. Possibly also wants to be the World Champ again.

Wakiya: Doesn't need a reason to compete since he's not even competing.

This is how it always was from the start. This allows anyone to root for who they want, since no one feels more important than the other. That would jsut be tunnel visioning on certain characters, making the other ones left out from doing anything consequential.

All of these motivations for the bladers are fine, and yes I do agree that they don't have to be grand motivations from the get go. Hell, a lot of main characters start off with fairly basic starting goals of wanting to become the best, like Drum for instance. It's just later on, I want the brothers' goal to expand a bit and give them a bigger target to aim for.

Here's an idea I came up with (without copying the manga). I really wanted a moment where Hyuga and Hikaru get a hint that Lean has developed an unsatisfiable flare, feel a bit sorry for him, and get stronger to not only surpass the legends but also be enough to satisfy Lean.

Remember when you said that Hyuga and Hikaru were simply inspired by such an epic battle between Valt, Sisco, and Rantaro at the beginning and that excitement they experienced made them want to get stronger too? Perhaps Lean doesn't get to experience that same excitement (or at least hasn't experienced it for a while) that the brothers' do no matter how much he tries to call out his flare nor has any of the legends been able to satisfy him, hence why they would feel bad for him.

To both help Lean and become the best, they want to be strong enough to prove they can overcome the legends and surpass Lean's thirst for flare by reaching a higher standard. Granted, the anime almost does that, but I don't think the brothers had a moment where they felt bad for Lean.

It's not overly complex or complicated, it's simple stuff like this could work for the series.

Also moved the conversation here, so we don't keep flooding the "Beyblade Burst DB - Episode 21 Discussion" thread lol.

thank god someone else (besides UB) said it, took up like 2 pages lol

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"If you fail to prepare, your prepared to fail." - Mark Spitz

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Everyone has a small reason to win. It's not like all of the side characters have grand reasons to win, and the protagonists don't.

Hyuga/Hikaru: They simply want to be the best after being inspired.

Valt: Wants to battle to see Hikaru and Hyuga go far, and possibly achieve a flare.

Rantaro: Want's to prove himself to his students by being on the level of the others.

Ranjiro: Wants to get revenge against Lain for the injury.

Silas: Wants to prove himself to Free that he's on the same level.

Free: Wants to get revenge on Lain.

Lui: He's always just enjoys battling since he gets to reign over as a powerful force.

Lain: This was left out of the anime, so that's a valid complaint. But he wanted to live up to Shu's expectations, but got so consumed with Flare to where he didn't care about Shu anymore.

Drum: Continuing in his goal to make Dragon the strongest Beyblade.

Shu: Wants to free Lain from his harmful Flare.

Aiga: Simply enjoys battling. Possibly also wants to be the World Champ again.

Wakiya: Doesn't need a reason to compete since he's not even competing.

This is how it always was from the start. This allows anyone to root for who they want, since no one feels more important than the other. That would jsut be tunnel visioning on certain characters, making the other ones left out from doing anything consequential.

All of these motivations for the bladers are fine, and yes I do agree that they don't have to be grand motivations from the get go. Hell, a lot of main characters start off with fairly basic starting goals of wanting to become the best, like Drum for instance. It's just later on, I want the brothers' goal to expand a bit and give them a bigger target to aim for.

Here's an idea I came up with (without copying the manga). I really wanted a moment where Hyuga and Hikaru get a hint that Lean has developed an unsatisfiable flare, feel a bit sorry for him, and get stronger to not only surpass the legends but also be enough to satisfy Lean.

Remember when you said that Hyuga and Hikaru were simply inspired by such an epic battle between Valt, Sisco, and Rantaro at the beginning and that excitement they experienced made them want to get stronger too? Perhaps Lean doesn't get to experience that same excitement (or at least hasn't experienced it for a while) that the brothers' do no matter how much he tries to call out his flare nor has any of the legends been able to satisfy him, hence why they would feel bad for him.

To both help Lean and become the best, they want to be strong enough to prove they can overcome the legends and surpass Lean's thirst for flare by reaching a higher standard. Granted, the anime almost does that, but I don't think the brothers had a moment where they felt bad for Lean.

It's not overly complex or complicated, it's simple stuff like this could work for the series.

Also moved the conversation here, so we don't keep flooding the "Beyblade Burst DB - Episode 21 Discussion" thread lol.

Good idea. I feel like they could've also done the Hikaru arc to give Hyuga a good late game goal as well.

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Everyone has a small reason to win. It's not like all of the side characters have grand reasons to win, and the protagonists don't.

Hyuga/Hikaru: They simply want to be the best after being inspired.

Valt: Wants to battle to see Hikaru and Hyuga go far, and possibly achieve a flare.

Rantaro: Want's to prove himself to his students by being on the level of the others.

Ranjiro: Wants to get revenge against Lain for the injury.

Silas: Wants to prove himself to Free that he's on the same level.

Free: Wants to get revenge on Lain.

Lui: He's always just enjoys battling since he gets to reign over as a powerful force.

Lain: This was left out of the anime, so that's a valid complaint. But he wanted to live up to Shu's expectations, but got so consumed with Flare to where he didn't care about Shu anymore.

Drum: Continuing in his goal to make Dragon the strongest Beyblade.

Shu: Wants to free Lain from his harmful Flare.

Aiga: Simply enjoys battling. Possibly also wants to be the World Champ again.

Wakiya: Doesn't need a reason to compete since he's not even competing.

This is how it always was from the start. This allows anyone to root for who they want, since no one feels more important than the other. That would jsut be tunnel visioning on certain characters, making the other ones left out from doing anything consequential.

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All of these motivations for the bladers are fine, and yes I do agree that they don't have to be grand motivations from the get go. Hell, a lot of main characters start off with fairly basic starting goals of wanting to become the best, like Drum for instance. It's just later on, I want the brothers' goal to expand a bit and give them a bigger target to aim for.

Here's an idea I came up with (without copying the manga). I really wanted a moment where Hyuga and Hikaru get a hint that Lean has developed an unsatisfiable flare, feel a bit sorry for him, and get stronger to not only surpass the legends but also be enough to satisfy Lean.

Remember when you said that Hyuga and Hikaru were simply inspired by such an epic battle between Valt, Sisco, and Rantaro at the beginning and that excitement they experienced made them want to get stronger too? Perhaps Lean doesn't get to experience that same excitement (or at least hasn't experienced it for a while) that the brothers' do no matter how much he tries to call out his flare nor has any of the legends been able to satisfy him, hence why they would feel bad for him.

To both help Lean and become the best, they want to be strong enough to prove they can overcome the legends and surpass Lean's thirst for flare by reaching a higher standard. Granted, the anime almost does that, but I don't think the brothers had a moment where they felt bad for Lean.

It's not overly complex or complicated, it's simple stuff like this could work for the series.

Also moved the conversation here, so we don't keep flooding the "Beyblade Burst DB - Episode 21 Discussion" thread lol.

That's actually a very good and very unique idea. Best of all, it would at least give the twins a good reason not to be around the series too often. I don't mean that in a way where I want the twins gone, no, what I mean is, if they ever lacked much future appearances, we can at least assume it's because they've decided to hang around with Lean more often, and all have become a close group of friends and continue to have fun battling.

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My Cho-Z Reaper Deathscyther .12.Cr concept render, click below to see!

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No I don't plan on doing more yet.

I should probably go back to making fan custom Zero G beyblade concepts again

(As you can already tell) I'm a fan of the Sparking anime, however not including the Hikaru arc is easily one of the worst moves they could've taken.

(As you can already tell) I'm a fan of the Sparking anime, however not including the Hikaru arc is easily one of the worst moves they could've taken.

Same, It's not the best season but its not horrible, I feel like people give it a bad rep, but I loved the concept of a series the revolved around teamwork and tag battles!

Edit: Sorry for quoting you four times, something was going on with my quote button

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The One Piece is the friends we made a long the way.

(As you can already tell) I'm a fan of the Sparking anime, however not including the Hikaru arc is easily one of the worst moves they could've taken.

Same, It's not the best season but its not horrible, I feel like people give it a bad rep, but I loved the concept of a series the revolved around teamwork and tag battles!

Edit: Sorry for quoting you four times, something was going on with my quote button

yeah i can agree

i like the battles besides the battles where you already know who's gonna win and he/she wins

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"If you fail to prepare, your prepared to fail." - Mark Spitz

All of these motivations for the bladers are fine, and yes I do agree that they don't have to be grand motivations from the get go. Hell, a lot of main characters start off with fairly basic starting goals of wanting to become the best, like Drum for instance. It's just later on, I want the brothers' goal to expand a bit and give them a bigger target to aim for.

Here's an idea I came up with (without copying the manga). I really wanted a moment where Hyuga and Hikaru get a hint that Lean has developed an unsatisfiable flare, feel a bit sorry for him, and get stronger to not only surpass the legends but also be enough to satisfy Lean.

Remember when you said that Hyuga and Hikaru were simply inspired by such an epic battle between Valt, Sisco, and Rantaro at the beginning and that excitement they experienced made them want to get stronger too? Perhaps Lean doesn't get to experience that same excitement (or at least hasn't experienced it for a while) that the brothers' do no matter how much he tries to call out his flare nor has any of the legends been able to satisfy him, hence why they would feel bad for him.

To both help Lean and become the best, they want to be strong enough to prove they can overcome the legends and surpass Lean's thirst for flare by reaching a higher standard. Granted, the anime almost does that, but I don't think the brothers had a moment where they felt bad for Lean.

It's not overly complex or complicated, it's simple stuff like this could work for the series.

Also moved the conversation here, so we don't keep flooding the "Beyblade Burst DB - Episode 21 Discussion" thread lol.

Good idea. I feel like they could've also done the Hikaru arc to give Hyuga a good late game goal as well.

I've heard that the manga for Sparking gave the three debut characters for that season some pretty good characterization, like Hyuga's insecurities of not being as good as his big brother, Lean feeling like he's weak as he felt he didn't live up to Shu's expectations of his skills etc. I would be very interested in seeing these elements adapted in the anime.

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Eh, I will think of something to put here...

... later ;)

Incorporating the ideas of many replies from above, Burst’s bad writing comes from the “good premise, bad execution” description. To dig the wound deeper, the anime cuts out a lot of the manga plot points (hence so many questions about the anime points). And to hurt a little more, the later seasons cut the episode times — which I admit, Ill be a little friendly with because its hard to work with short episode lengths and I understand that. Overall, a combination of bad executions and removing plot points is what gave the Burst anime’s bad writing

For clarification, cutting out content in adaptations isnt inherently bad. What matters is how the people behind the series work on filling in the holes and tying the plot together. I too wish to see manga points being adapted in the anime, but sadly we have Burst as it is.

I wouldve liked Burst much better if it did a better job of holding itself together right — by incorporating manga elements or at least having good ideas to replace what they took out

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I gotta say, Shu has become such a boring character lately. Before it was like "Oh my God, Shu is back!" Nowadays it's "Oh Shu's back." From a narrative standpoint, Shu has had the exact same role in the story for the past 3 seasons and it is honestly getting way too repetitive. His design has hardly changed between the last 3 seasons either. He also seems to be super devoid of a personality beyond some dramatic savior which is just really lame.

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Not bad eh?

But he does have a good bey every season with a cool gimmick

I gotta say, Shu has become such a boring character lately. Before it was like "Oh my God, Shu is back!" Nowadays it's "Oh Shu's back." From a narrative standpoint, Shu has had the exact same role in the story for the past 3 seasons and it is honestly getting way too repetitive. His design has hardly changed between the last 3 seasons either. He also seems to be super devoid of a personality beyond some dramatic savior which is just really lame.

Well, Shu's returns where he's similar are in ChoZ, Sparking, and now DB. He's a teacher in ChoZ, but that's not important and doesn't amount to anything. In Sparking it has actual narrative substance. In ChoZ he does help Aiga, but I liked in Sparking how he actually had to struggle, he had to change his whole persona to get close to Lain. He didn't just appear and set things right. In DB He hasn't really done anything yet. Just came an battled, didn't have an impact.

Shu got pretty cool twords the end of sparking though and in the final episode he received some pretty good animation

I gotta say, Shu has become such a boring character lately. Before it was like "Oh my God, Shu is back!" Nowadays it's "Oh Shu's back." From a narrative standpoint, Shu has had the exact same role in the story for the past 3 seasons and it is honestly getting way too repetitive. His design has hardly changed between the last 3 seasons either. He also seems to be super devoid of a personality beyond some dramatic savior which is just really lame.

Well, Shu's returns where he's similar are in ChoZ, Sparking, and now DB. He's a teacher in ChoZ, but that's not important and doesn't amount to anything. In Sparking it has actual narrative substance. In ChoZ he does help Aiga, but I liked in Sparking how he actually had to struggle, he had to change his whole persona to get close to Lain. He didn't just appear and set things right. In DB He hasn't really done anything yet. Just came an battled, didn't have an impact.

They need go try something new instead of giving him the same role. Sure what he had with Lane was good but they could do so much better, why not establish his rivalry with Valt as it was before and such? They don't need to repeat the same thing tbh.

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Not bad eh?

Well, Shu's returns where he's similar are in ChoZ, Sparking, and now DB. He's a teacher in ChoZ, but that's not important and doesn't amount to anything. In Sparking it has actual narrative substance. In ChoZ he does help Aiga, but I liked in Sparking how he actually had to struggle, he had to change his whole persona to get close to Lain. He didn't just appear and set things right. In DB He hasn't really done anything yet. Just came an battled, didn't have an impact.

They need go try something new instead of giving him the same role. Sure what he had with Lane was good but they could do so much better, why not establish his rivalry with Valt as it was before and such? They don't need to repeat the same thing tbh.

Didn't they do that in Sparking with their big battle, which caused Lain to awaken his crimson Flare.

They need go try something new instead of giving him the same role. Sure what he had with Lane was good but they could do so much better, why not establish his rivalry with Valt as it was before and such? They don't need to repeat the same thing tbh.

Didn't they do that in Sparking with their big battle, which caused Lain to awaken his crimson Flare.

It certainly counts as that but I would expect something bigger like a whole season focused on it kinda like what they did in s1. Better yet, why don't they just make a season focused on the kids of the og cast.

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Not bad eh?

Didn't they do that in Sparking with their big battle, which caused Lain to awaken his crimson Flare.

It certainly counts as that but I would expect something bigger like a whole season focused on it kinda like what they did in s1. Better yet, why don't they just make a season focused on the kids of the og cast.

Yeah a whole arc or something like that would be nice. Also focusing on the kids on the main cast seems like a hit or miss. I feel like they could just make them use their parents beys, meaning a lack of new motifs which would suck.

It certainly counts as that but I would expect something bigger like a whole season focused on it kinda like what they did in s1. Better yet, why don't they just make a season focused on the kids of the og cast.

Yeah a whole arc or something like that would be nice. Also focusing on the kids on the main cast seems like a hit or miss. I feel like they could just make them use their parents beys, meaning a lack of new motifs which would suck.

yeah

or they could introduce new characters within said season with totally new beys

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"If you fail to prepare, your prepared to fail." - Mark Spitz

Yeah a whole arc or something like that would be nice. Also focusing on the kids on the main cast seems like a hit or miss. I feel like they could just make them use their parents beys, meaning a lack of new motifs which would suck.

yeah

or they could introduce new characters within said season with totally new beys

I feel like a soft reboot like with Zero G would be best for something like that.

It certainly counts as that but I would expect something bigger like a whole season focused on it kinda like what they did in s1. Better yet, why don't they just make a season focused on the kids of the og cast.

Yeah a whole arc or something like that would be nice. Also focusing on the kids on the main cast seems like a hit or miss. I feel like they could just make them use their parents beys, meaning a lack of new motifs which would suck.

Oh yeah, that would actually be a problem. Cast size is such an issue with burst.

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Not bad eh?

Here's the Battle Tour so far because people are confused.

A giant ship appears. All of the Rising Stars are traveling the world to fight the Legends of each region. The first stop is Beigoma Academy Beyclub.

In the first round of the Tour, Bladers get to challenge Valt Aoi, known as the Legend of Legends. To prepare, Bell sneaks into a VR Battle Machine to train. Basara and Ranzo lose, however Bell is able to beat Valt by hitting it's exposed underbelly when it's flying in the air.

It is now Round 2 of the Tour. Only 1 of the 4 Rising Stars could face the next legend. 2 Bladers were chosen to text their luck, and see if they could make it. Those 2 were Bell and Rashad. Rashad smashed Belial into the air, and due to this was able to beat him. He now has the right to challenge the next Legend.

Outside of the Tour Shu appears to challenge Bell with his new Astral Spryzen.

It is revealed the next destination is the BC Sol Forest, meaning that the Legend Rashad will be facing is Free De La Hoya. However Bell breaks the rules of Tour by re-matching Free, who he didn't earn the right to challenge. He does end up beating Free.

Here's the Battle Tour so far because people are confused.

A giant ship appears. All of the Rising Stars are traveling the world to fight the Legends of each region. The first stop is Beigoma Academy Beyclub.

In the first round of the Tour, Bladers get to challenge Valt Aoi, known as the Legend of Legends. To prepare, Bell sneaks into a VR Battle Machine to train. Basara and Ranzo lose, however Bell is able to beat Valt by hitting it's exposed underbelly when it's flying in the air.

It is now Round 2 of the Tour. Only 1 of the 4 Rising Stars could face the next legend. 2 Bladers were chosen to text their luck, and see if they could make it. Those 2 were Bell and Rashad. Rashad smashed Belial into the air, and due to this was able to beat him. He now has the right to challenge the next Legend.

Outside of the Tour Shu appears to challenge Bell with his new Astral Spryzen.

It is revealed the next destination is the BC Sol Forest, meaning that the Legend Rashad will be facing is Free De La Hoya. However Bell breaks the rules of Tour by re-matching Free, who he didn't earn the right to challenge. He does end up beating Free.

wow it all makes sense thanks alot!

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"If you fail to prepare, your prepared to fail." - Mark Spitz

My guess it that the Onigashima Battle Royale is to see who gets to fight Lui.

My guess it that the Onigashima Battle Royale is to see who gets to fight Lui.

yeah

they may either be arguing then decided to battle to see who faces lui

or lui tells them to battle royale to see who's the best so the best can battle him

im going with the latter

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"If you fail to prepare, your prepared to fail." - Mark Spitz