You don’t need Free to tell you a strategy before the battle to understand his little plan you can easily understand if you try it’s really not that hard the ones in god are really easy to understand but after god he should have been bodied but only by Silas in Sparking also using the antagonist excuse is not a good choice for Leans defense

Why isn’t it? Lean being the antagonist makes him superior to almost everyone by default, it’s in the nature of beyblade antagonists and is factual. Yes he is a vague character but his strength is a seperate thing. And again, making Free’s opponents suddenly turn in competent when he is closely faced with defeat is just bad writing tbh.

I saw Antagonist in og Beyblade and metal Beyblade lose back to back still not an excuse for Lean he’s just a trash character in terms of writing in my opinion but yea that’s not how it works bud Silas and Joshua had a counter for free and free also had a way to counter them back so in a way they just wasn’t expecting Free to see their plan that happens in every burst season so far but I won’t say it’s good writing or bad bc it all comes down to how you see it

Why isn’t it? Lean being the antagonist makes him superior to almost everyone by default, it’s in the nature of beyblade antagonists and is factual. Yes he is a vague character but his strength is a seperate thing. And again, making Free’s opponents suddenly turn in competent when he is closely faced with defeat is just bad writing tbh.

I saw Antagonist in og Beyblade and metal Beyblade lose back to back still not an excuse for Lean he’s just a trash character in terms of writing in my opinion but yea that’s not how it works bud Silas and Joshua had a counter for free and free also had a way to counter them back so in a way they just wasn’t expecting Free to see their plan that happens in every burst season so far but I won’t say it’s good writing or bad bc it all comes down to how you see it

Well I doubt it’s coincidental that it always happens to Free (who I still believe is superbly overrated) but it’s just opinion. But when it comes to the main antagonistic bladers being overpowered, I’m absolutely right and can prove it with facts:
In beyblade (2000), Tala only lost to Tyson.

In beyblade V force, the main antagonist, Zeo, only lost to Tyson as well as some practice matches with his training partner.

In G revolution, Brooklyn only lost to Kai and Tyson

In Metal Fusion, Ryuga only lost to Gingka.

In Metal Masters, the main antagonist isn’t a legitimate blader so it doesn’t really work here. 

In the Metal Fury, Rago only lost once.

In beyblade burst, Lui was the main antagonist and only Valt and Shu were able to surpass him (although they never beat him).

In beyblade burst god, Shu only lost to Lui and Free when he had legend Spriggan and later Valt when he had Spriggan Requiem.

In beyblade burst Cho-z, Phi only Lost to Aiga a couple of times and was only surpassed by Aiga and Valt.

In Gt, Gwynn (the final antagonist) only loses to Drum.

In Sparking, we have Lane who has only lost to Shu (and accidentally to Aiga).

My point is more than proven seeing as the main antagonist hasn’t been surpassed by more than 3 people at a time. Lane is definitely a poorly written character and I truly dislike him, but his strength is absolutely justified.

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I saw Antagonist in og Beyblade and metal Beyblade lose back to back still not an excuse for Lean he’s just a trash character in terms of writing in my opinion but yea that’s not how it works bud Silas and Joshua had a counter for free and free also had a way to counter them back so in a way they just wasn’t expecting Free to see their plan that happens in every burst season so far but I won’t say it’s good writing or bad bc it all comes down to how you see it

Well I doubt it’s coincidental that it always happens to Free (who I still believe is superbly overrated) but it’s just opinion. But when it comes to the main antagonistic bladers being overpowered, I’m absolutely right and can prove it with facts:
In beyblade (2000), Tala only lost to Tyson.

In beyblade V force, the main antagonist, Zeo, only lost to Tyson as well as some practice matches with his training partner.

In G revolution, Brooklyn only lost to Kai and Tyson

In Metal Fusion, Ryuga only lost to Gingka.

In Metal Masters, the main antagonist isn’t a legitimate blader so it doesn’t really work here. 

In the Metal Fury,one of the main antagonists was Rago who only lost once.

In beyblade burst, Lui was the main antagonist and only Valt and Shu were able to surpass him.

In beyblade burst god, Shu only lost to Lui and Free when he had legend Spriggan and later Valt when he had Spriggan Requiem.

In beyblade burst Cho-z, Phi only Lost to Aiga a couple of times and was only surpassed by Aiga and Valt.

In Gt, Gwynn (the final antagonist) only loses to Drum.

In Sparking, we have Lane who has only lost to Shu (and accidentally to Aiga).

My point is more than proven seeing as the main antagonist hasn’t been surpassed by more than 3 people at a time. Lane is definitely a poorly written character and I truly dislike him, but his strength is absolutely justified.

Point wasn’t proven considering the fact you helped me proved it you just talked bladers who had more experience in blading (most of them)in metal master the boy with hades lost to Ginka and Kyoya he was definitely a threat considering the fact he was toying around with almost every blader it took the strongest bladers to whoop him so he’s justified Ryuga was always a strong blader just got corrupted by dark power he was even strong enough to push himself to his very limits to awaken L drago true power Rago was a boo boo antagonist but was justified bc he needed star fragments to increase his power Lui was easily going to lose to Valt and Shu he was strong for a reason why else would he be in the supreme 4 Shu bodied Lui as soon as he got his op bey season 3 in burst is justified so Phi slides GT made no sense considering the fact you just suck up to it anyways a kid who only Beyblade for a few days is already in Arthur’s lvl plus Drum and Delta in Sparking no relevance to how lean is power hungry and your only go to excuse is “he’s an antagonist”really???that’s a poor excuse if you ask me I can easily prove my point by mentioning other shows but it wouldn’t be fair bc it’s Beyblade burst if you want my honesty

Well I doubt it’s coincidental that it always happens to Free (who I still believe is superbly overrated) but it’s just opinion. But when it comes to the main antagonistic bladers being overpowered, I’m absolutely right and can prove it with facts:
In beyblade (2000), Tala only lost to Tyson.

In beyblade V force, the main antagonist, Zeo, only lost to Tyson as well as some practice matches with his training partner.

In G revolution, Brooklyn only lost to Kai and Tyson

In Metal Fusion, Ryuga only lost to Gingka.

In Metal Masters, the main antagonist isn’t a legitimate blader so it doesn’t really work here. 

In the Metal Fury,one of the main antagonists was Rago who only lost once.

In beyblade burst, Lui was the main antagonist and only Valt and Shu were able to surpass him.

In beyblade burst god, Shu only lost to Lui and Free when he had legend Spriggan and later Valt when he had Spriggan Requiem.

In beyblade burst Cho-z, Phi only Lost to Aiga a couple of times and was only surpassed by Aiga and Valt.

In Gt, Gwynn (the final antagonist) only loses to Drum.

In Sparking, we have Lane who has only lost to Shu (and accidentally to Aiga).

My point is more than proven seeing as the main antagonist hasn’t been surpassed by more than 3 people at a time. Lane is definitely a poorly written character and I truly dislike him, but his strength is absolutely justified.

Point wasn’t proven considering the fact you helped me proved it you just talked bladers who had more experience in blading (most of them)in metal master the boy with hades lost to Ginka and Kyoya he was definitely a threat considering the fact he was toying around with almost every blader it took the strongest bladers to whoop him so he’s justified Ryuga was always a strong blader just got corrupted by dark power he was even strong enough to push himself to his very limits to awaken L drago true power Rago was a boo boo antagonist but was justified bc he needed star fragments to increase his power Lui was easily going to lose to Valt and Shu he was strong for a reason why else would he be in the supreme 4 Shu bodied Lui as soon as he got his op bey season 3 in burst is justified so Phi slides GT made no sense considering the fact you just suck up to it anyways a kid who only Beyblade for a few days is already in Arthur’s lvl plus Drum and Delta in Sparking no relevance to how lean is power hungry and your only go to excuse is “he’s an antagonist”really???that’s a poor excuse if you ask me I can easily prove my point by mentioning other shows but it wouldn’t be fair bc it’s Beyblade burst if you want my honesty

I didn’t prove your point lol, Damian wasn’t a main antagonist and the point I was trying to prove is that Lane being an overpowered antagonist is totally justified by the standard of beyblade antagonists and as you can clearly see the antagonists have only been surpassed by 1-3 bladers whereas you were complaining that Lane is “super overpowered.” By the standard of beyblade villains Lane isn’t overpowered as he has lost to Shu. He is poorly written as you have said but that doesn’t change the fact that he completely follows the general format of a beyblade antagonist. I wasn’t trying to prove that Lane’s power was specifically justified in terms of plot, you should read the messages again.

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While I too prefer Fumiya a lot more, I feel like you guys are underestimating Free a lot if you think that all you need to defeat him is to deal with his drain spin. Let's take the battle with Joshua. People say that if only he had kept at his initial strategy he would win, but that's not really the case. If Joshua had kept at it he would be forced to use Nothing Break, which in the end, would change pretty much nothing (althought he wouldn't be able to use it to surprise Lui anymore, so that would be really interesting I guess). But he's not stupid, he realized that Joshua's not going to stay composed, so there's no need to really do anything.

He's generally really adaptive too and is capable of changing his strategy based on his opponent's strategy, like he did in that legendary battle back in God Bladers Cup. So there's no reason to not weak launch if he knows that Hyuga is stupid enough to attack him.

While you could argue he could use Nothing Break against Joshua, I felt that Free's intense training was built up for that move, so that he had the down force to use it. However, against Joshua, he had regular spin power and Fafnir was clearly running low on stamina to use it. Both instances of him using Nothing Break required a strong launch, and even Raul had said that Joshua may have won if he didn't act so stupid. 

Yes, unlike Absorb Break, to use Nothing Break Free obviously needs to hype himself up and do an extra strong launch, so he definitely couldn't just change his mind mid-battle and decide that yeah, I'm using it. The thing is, he successfully predicted Joshua going off the rails even before the second battle begun. That's why I think he's just really good at reading people, which again made him comfortable with using Mirage Spin against Hyuga. There's a good chance I'm just reading way too deeply into this though, lol.

My point is, it doesn't matter whether Free's opponents sometimes behave stupid (it's not like it happens that often too imo), because if he goes all out he can defeat most other bladers with pure strength anyway. His personality is pretty being carefree, so he tries to finish most battles by doing the bare minimum, but there's a reason why he was the strongest blader in the world for so long.

Hope I don't sound too much like some Free fanboy haha, I like the character but I'm just trying to be objective.

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While I too prefer Fumiya a lot more, I feel like you guys are underestimating Free a lot if you think that all you need to defeat him is to deal with his drain spin. Let's take the battle with Joshua. People say that if only he had kept at his initial strategy he would win, but that's not really the case. If Joshua had kept at it he would be forced to use Nothing Break, which in the end, would change pretty much nothing (althought he wouldn't be able to use it to surprise Lui anymore, so that would be really interesting I guess). But he's not stupid, he realized that Joshua's not going to stay composed, so there's no need to really do anything.

He's generally really adaptive too and is capable of changing his strategy based on his opponent's strategy, like he did in that legendary battle back in God Bladers Cup. So there's no reason to not weak launch if he knows that Hyuga is stupid enough to attack him.

I mean of course, maybe Free knew Joshua would be cocky and start playing offensively again, but if it turned out that Free was wrong and Joshua just so happened to pretend to play stupid (he's an actor after all), but still played passively then it would've been too late for Free.

This is exactly what I think happened. And yes, it would have been incredibly amazing if they made Joshua do that, and I doubt Free could do anything after that. In fact, these kind of mind games before the battle alone would probably make it the best battle in the whole series. If beyblade was aimed at a bit older age demographic, I could see a lot of strategies like this happening.

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I mean of course, maybe Free knew Joshua would be cocky and start playing offensively again, but if it turned out that Free was wrong and Joshua just so happened to pretend to play stupid (he's an actor after all), but still played passively then it would've been too late for Free.

This is exactly what I think happened. And yes, it would have been incredibly amazing if they made Joshua do that, and I doubt Free could do anything after that. In fact, these kind of mind games before the battle alone would probably make it the best battle in the whole series. If beyblade was aimed at a bit older age demographic, I could see a lot of strategies like this happening.

I kinda wish that Joshua really was pretending to be bombastic and stupid in the first round (it would factor in his career as an actor) but then turned the tables by playing defensively, which would force Free to figure it out in the second round and find an actual counter to passive techniques (whatever it may be). Obviously, I don't mean pull a "Nothing Break" from the get go because that would be too crazy and early, but something that shows he can adapt to situations like this whilst not having Joshua look like a fool haha. It would make Free's win more satisfying and justified.

Another way he could beat Joshua without making Joshua is by having Fafnir pushing Jinnius into the corner like Sisco's Kreis Satan did in Episode 35, which would force Joshua to speed up and use Guard Twist.

Now I know what you're thinking, this sounds like I'm contradicting what I said about not wanting Joshua to use an offensive move to lose to Free. But here's the catch, Joshua didn't choose to use Guard Twist, Fafnir keeps Jinnius out of the centre which forces it to move faster which prevents Jinnius from using the Cyclone Wall move and would give Free the chance to burst him.

Hell, it really wouldn't be out of the ordinary to have Joshua beat Free (even if Free would've still made it to the semi-finals with four wins anyway, which is still fine). Joshua was still #3 out of the Big 5, Trad's an intelligent guy who knows Free quite well so sticking to the strategy would've given Joshua the chance to defeat Free. Probably would be nice build-up to angry Free.

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Eh, I will think of something to put here...

... later ;)

sad.

But Im sneaky and I watch beyblade

good........

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Kai vs. Ray

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There can only be one Batman and that’s

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lol thanks

BTW why does the beywiki have Lui in the category World Champions?

Supposedly since Lui beated Free he was World Champion temporarily

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Kai vs. Ray

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lol thanks

BTW why does the beywiki have Lui in the category World Champions?

Supposedly since Lui beated Free he was World Champion temporarily

Ryuga vrs Helois, Reji, and Tsubasa

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Kai vs. Ray

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lol thanks

BTW why does the beywiki have Lui in the category World Champions?

Supposedly since Lui beated Free he was World Champion temporarily

Ah thanks for the info. I always thought that match was unofficial.

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Kai vs. Ray

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lol thanks

BTW why does the beywiki have Lui in the category World Champions?

Supposedly since Lui beated Free he was World Champion temporarily

It was an unofficial battle.

i would love to see that season 6 is not about battling but an everyday life with school, them taking jobs and living together. and the best part that it'll include all the characters from every season. yes even arthur.

i would love to see that season 6 is not about battling but an everyday life with school, them taking jobs and living together. and the best part that it'll include all the characters from every season. yes even arthur.

Valt: 1 + 1 = 1

i would love to see that season 6 is not about battling but an everyday life with school, them taking jobs and living together. and the best part that it'll include all the characters from every season. yes even arthur.

Valt: 1 + 1 = 1

yes

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you

lol thanks

BTW why does the beywiki have Lui in the category World Champions?

Where is that in the wiki?

Kai vs. Ray

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Supposedly since Lui beated Free he was World Champion temporarily

Ryuga vrs Helois, Reji, and Tsubasa

Ryuga

Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Ryuga
Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Damian
Doji vs Julian
Gingka vs Tithi
Faust vs Kyoya
Chris vs Damian
Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Kyoya
Pluto vs Ryuga
Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Zeo, Jack and Damian

Ryuga vrs Helois, Reji, and Tsubasa

Ryuga

Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Ryuga
Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Damian
Doji vs Julian
Gingka vs Tithi
Faust vs Kyoya
Chris vs Damian
Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Kyoya
Pluto vs Ryuga
Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Zeo, Jack and Damian

Ryuga
Ryo
Julian
Gingka
Faust
Chris
Kyoya
Ryuga
Team America

Ryuga

Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Ryuga
Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Damian
Doji vs Julian
Gingka vs Tithi
Faust vs Kyoya
Chris vs Damian
Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Kyoya
Pluto vs Ryuga
Ryo Hagane w/Burn Fireblaze vs Zeo, Jack and Damian

Ryuga
Ryo
Julian
Gingka
Faust
Chris
Kyoya
Ryuga
Team America

How about Nile vs Ryuga and Nile vs Damian, with that mystic zone of course.

Ryuga
Ryo
Julian
Gingka
Faust
Chris
Kyoya
Ryuga
Team America

How about Nile vs Ryuga and Nile vs Damian, with that mystic zone of course.

Nile loses both times

How about Nile vs Ryuga and Nile vs Damian, with that mystic zone of course.

Nile loses both times

Really? I have never seen him lose with the mystic zone. He defeated Kyoya and Julian so easily with that.

Nile loses both times

Really? I have never seen him lose with the mystic zone. He defeated Kyoya and Julian so easily with that.

I’m confident that Damian can pull Nile into hell and Ryuga, well he’s Ryuga

Really? I have never seen him lose with the mystic zone. He defeated Kyoya and Julian so easily with that.

I’m confident that Damian can pull Nile into hell and Ryuga, well he’s Ryuga

It would be an interesting battle, hades gate vs mystic zone. Two powerful mythological forces clashing. Egyptian vs Greek. LOL

Nile loses both times

Really? I have never seen him lose with the mystic zone. He defeated Kyoya and Julian so easily with that.

I don't remember Nile ever defeating Kyoya.

Really? I have never seen him lose with the mystic zone. He defeated Kyoya and Julian so easily with that.

I don't remember Nile ever defeating Kyoya.

He did in Metal Fury.

I don't remember Nile ever defeating Kyoya.

He did in Metal Fury.

Which episode? I don't think that actually happened.