I've updated my post to include it. The parts of it could be real but they are all from different beyblades.
[Plastics] :: Q&A Thread
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@ th!nk
Time on your hands or not, that's really commendable of you (not to mention impressive knowledge) to do that for a another member. I don't mean to waste space here, but it seemed worthy of (at least) a public tipping of the proverbial hat.
Time on your hands or not, that's really commendable of you (not to mention impressive knowledge) to do that for a another member. I don't mean to waste space here, but it seemed worthy of (at least) a public tipping of the proverbial hat.
Sporkseller, I totally agree with you. 
Here's a new message from our dear seller:
„Buyer will get refund for item if they will be shipped during 10 days. Buyer pay for return item cost. Sealler pay only for items that was bought. No other charges. Sealer refund only If otems they won't be damaged or changed.“
That guy still wants his fakes back. Within 10 days, that wouldn't be possible even if I closed the cases right now. Too bad, that what he says doesn't fit with ebay's buyer protection policy.
but again, that shows once more that he's actually scared to be changed (edit: charged lol 
). And I should pay for shipping back? Never ever!
Here's a new message from our dear seller:
„Buyer will get refund for item if they will be shipped during 10 days. Buyer pay for return item cost. Sealler pay only for items that was bought. No other charges. Sealer refund only If otems they won't be damaged or changed.“
That guy still wants his fakes back. Within 10 days, that wouldn't be possible even if I closed the cases right now. Too bad, that what he says doesn't fit with ebay's buyer protection policy.
but again, that shows once more that he's actually scared to be changed (edit: charged lol ). And I should pay for shipping back? Never ever!
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oh snap i just bought 2 beys from this guy a black dranzer and a bound attacker can you verify these are real lol( i haven't paid yet) and he's selling a salamolyon 2 is that real never heard of it
bound attacker http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bound-Attacker...true&rt=nc
black dranzer http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181309832740?s...1497.l2649
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Salamalyon-2-E...2a36eade35
bound attacker http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bound-Attacker...true&rt=nc
black dranzer http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181309832740?s...1497.l2649
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Salamalyon-2-E...2a36eade35
The bound attacker's attack ring is broken - missing one of the blades.
The black dranzer looks real but his photos aren't great so it's hard to tell, and it's also the version without the black dranzer bit sticker.
"Salamalyon 2" was a recolor of salamalyon released by hasbro. What he's calling Salamalyon 2 is not a real beyblade, the base is a red volcano change base (probably fake), the weight disk a presumably fake wide defense and the attack ring is an original design, it seems. It is not real, though.
The black dranzer looks real but his photos aren't great so it's hard to tell, and it's also the version without the black dranzer bit sticker.
"Salamalyon 2" was a recolor of salamalyon released by hasbro. What he's calling Salamalyon 2 is not a real beyblade, the base is a red volcano change base (probably fake), the weight disk a presumably fake wide defense and the attack ring is an original design, it seems. It is not real, though.
thanks! for replying so quickly, and I completely didn't notice the the broken blade my days thanks for showing me! is it worth the price just for collection purposes?. And is it a bad thing that it doesn't have the black dranzer sticker. and yep I thought as much about the Salamalyon 2, also what about this death draciel i've always wondered where that attack ring is from I used to see it on fake dranzer-s blades back in the day http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DEATH-DRACIEL-...2a36eb0263
Death Draciel?? I only know Death Driger, I'm quite sure that a "Death Draciel" has never been released. 
You're the third WBO member now, who has been scammed by that guy... Maybe if you also open some cases, ebay will notice and ban him? You might have to send him an analysis of those beys, too, because he insists on his non-return-policy. I'm afraid he won't cancel the deal, if you don't have 'evidence' that they're fake. He didn't in my case at least.
On Thursday I can send th!nk's statement to ebay. I will post their reply.
You're the third WBO member now, who has been scammed by that guy... Maybe if you also open some cases, ebay will notice and ban him? You might have to send him an analysis of those beys, too, because he insists on his non-return-policy. I'm afraid he won't cancel the deal, if you don't have 'evidence' that they're fake. He didn't in my case at least.
On Thursday I can send th!nk's statement to ebay. I will post their reply.
yeah I didn't think the death draciel was real at all just wondered where that AR comes from usually the fake AR i've seen are just counterfeits of real AR. but scammed how? only if the black dranzer is fake, it doesn't look so but I confirmation just in case plus I also asked him to send a pic of the codes on it to verify its real before I pay. but the bound attacker I'll ask for a discount as its broken, I haven't paid yet so I can ask him to cancel, and I doubt he'll want to cause a fuss because you taught him a good lesson which commend you and all the others on!
Yeah not really scammed, I meant that he sold you "real" beys that are actually fake (at least S2 and DD are), but if you haven't paid yet, it might be ok. I'd appreciate if you could post here how it ends, just curious whether that guy has learned his lesson. 
Dear stoney2208, Dear Members
I am only here to tell you truth About stoney2208.
This lady from Germany bought a few beyblades from my auctions on ebay.
And she claimed that I sold her fake items. I proposed her three times refund if she sent me back beyblades. She say "beg me not to going to police". "Give me money back or Your account will be banned" or " i won't pay for return cost" "I dont want to speak with you "etc. Etc. She want money back but she dont want to give me items. It's joke.
I am asking ebay support to contact this woman or rather little girl(because she might not have brain) because i want to finish this stupid game and refund her when she will give me items back. But with no answer.
I am only here to tell you truth About stoney2208.
This lady from Germany bought a few beyblades from my auctions on ebay.
And she claimed that I sold her fake items. I proposed her three times refund if she sent me back beyblades. She say "beg me not to going to police". "Give me money back or Your account will be banned" or " i won't pay for return cost" "I dont want to speak with you "etc. Etc. She want money back but she dont want to give me items. It's joke.
I am asking ebay support to contact this woman or rather little girl(because she might not have brain) because i want to finish this stupid game and refund her when she will give me items back. But with no answer.
You have posted this once already, and at this point it's just SPAM, especially if you continue posting it in other places. If you want us to believe you (which is apparently so vital, why?), provide proof countering what we have been shown.
Though this is really between Stoney, eBay, and you. Not us.
Though this is really between Stoney, eBay, and you. Not us.
Actually it's not only between him, me and ebay, there are also other members who want to know how it ends including th!nk, wo helped me a lot.
I would send your trash back, but I won't pay for shipping because YOU made a mistake by selling fakes (we already pointed that out) and damaged beys (also). You also LIED saying ebay would think I wanted to keep them for free, but I contacted ebay right after this and they were 100% sure that you never contacted them in Poland or anywhere else in the world. And the only joke is that you only make a wbo account here to pressure me (surprisingly one day before ebay can take over the cases).
Other lies:
"beg me not to going to police" - NEVER EVER said this! I said I will go to the police if I won't get refund, because you scammed me, but I actually don't want that, because then you'll have lots of trouble, so just give me refund and it's fine.
"Give me money back or Your account will be banned" - nonsense! I wanted so solve the thing without the police, because if I go there your account might be banned.
"i won't pay for return cost" YES, because it was your mistake! I would pay for shipping twice and have nothing in the end, just because you lied in the item's description.
"I dont want to speak with you" - actually "let's stop discussing and let ebay solve the case, because we won't come to an agreement". Ebay gave me ADVICE not to reply any more!
I can proof that by uploading screenshots of out messages, if needed.
Everyone here agrees that those are neither real nor mint, so you don't need to try to convince them.
No brain? Funny (and reported).
Please ban that guy, he's only here to cause trouble because of that issue.
I would send your trash back, but I won't pay for shipping because YOU made a mistake by selling fakes (we already pointed that out) and damaged beys (also). You also LIED saying ebay would think I wanted to keep them for free, but I contacted ebay right after this and they were 100% sure that you never contacted them in Poland or anywhere else in the world. And the only joke is that you only make a wbo account here to pressure me (surprisingly one day before ebay can take over the cases).
Other lies:
"beg me not to going to police" - NEVER EVER said this! I said I will go to the police if I won't get refund, because you scammed me, but I actually don't want that, because then you'll have lots of trouble, so just give me refund and it's fine.
"Give me money back or Your account will be banned" - nonsense! I wanted so solve the thing without the police, because if I go there your account might be banned.
"i won't pay for return cost" YES, because it was your mistake! I would pay for shipping twice and have nothing in the end, just because you lied in the item's description.
"I dont want to speak with you" - actually "let's stop discussing and let ebay solve the case, because we won't come to an agreement". Ebay gave me ADVICE not to reply any more!
I can proof that by uploading screenshots of out messages, if needed.
Everyone here agrees that those are neither real nor mint, so you don't need to try to convince them.
No brain? Funny (and reported).
Please ban that guy, he's only here to cause trouble because of that issue.
(Jan. 28, 2014 12:49 AM)markosgda Wrote: Dear stoney2208, Dear Members
I am only here to tell you truth About stoney2208.
This lady from Germany bought a few beyblades from my auctions on ebay.
And she claimed that I sold her fake items. I proposed her three times refund if she sent me back beyblades. She say "beg me not to going to police". "Give me money back or Your account will be banned" or " i won't pay for return cost" "I dont want to speak with you "etc. Etc. She want money back but she dont want to give me items. It's joke.
I am asking ebay support to contact this woman or rather little girl(because she might not have brain) because i want to finish this stupid game and refund her when she will give me items back. But with no answer.
From a personal perspective: Those were extremely blatant fakes, and the messages you sent the user indicate you're far from spotless yourself. If someone sent me fakes labelled as the real thing I sure as heck wouldn't pay return shipping, especially after someone tried to browbeat me into submission with blatant lies about the chemical properties of ABS, amongst other things (if your tops are actually breaking down at this point, they're fake).
From an impersonal/"official" perspective: All this forum does in a case like this is verify the authenticity of the beyblades and direct the user to the appropriate channels if they need help. Everything else is something to be discussed with eBay and PayPal, so coming here to tell us things about the user is pointless. You're very welcome to post stuff you're planning on selling here and I can look them over and tell you what is/isn't authentic to avoid issues in future (your Death Draciel and Salamalyon 2 auctions are both fake beyblades, for example), but the actual cases are not our domain - only the facts to be tendered.
Dude you're ridiculous. If you send fake items there is no way in hell Ebay would make him send them back for a refund. Ebay pretty much always sides with the buyer.
(Jan. 28, 2014 12:58 PM)Oceanking Wrote: Ebay pretty much always sides with the buyer.
Not always, the seller himself has to give refund only if he´s really fobbing the buyer. And also then ebay gives refund to the buyer first and then deals with the seller.
In most cases, ebay just gives refund to the buyer and the seller can keep the money. Ebay carries the damage then (I quote the resolution stuff guy: "Nobody knows, why we do that, but have to. *laugh*").
Nevertheless, here are the results:
- the seller handed the case over to the ebay service first (maybe he was hoping to take advantage by doing so).
- He uploaded pictures himself. They show for example screenshots of my message in which I say "Let´s stop discussing and let ebay decide about the money" completely out of content (I wrote this because a) the service guy gave me advice to do so and b) because we would never have come to an agreement). The service guy I´ve called a few minutes ago bursted out laughing and said himself "What a silly guy!".
- The ebay guy I called said that he was going to close the cases now and decided that I would get refund (first from ebay) after I had uploaded th!nk´s report and Kai-V´s confirmation letter about th!nk´s knowledge.
-Because I reported his fakes to the ebay security staff, he will have to deal with them from now on. I didn´t inform the police though, because then he would REALLY be in trouble.
Again, thank you, th!nk and Kai-V, for your help!!! I wouln´t have got my money back without you effort! Thanks to you the cases can be closed now.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
Good to hear. No probs, as I think I said, it's what I'm here for - no point knowing this stuff if I don't use it when it can help someone.
yep the Black dranzer is legit http://sta.sh/017wimc2q4m6 so i think i got a steal one this purchase
also
are these illegal mods, the ball bearings fit in the draciel perfectly and can be removed easily by unscrewing the base so 6 ball bearings in total, and also the dragoon tip is fitted on the outside, it fits nice into the bottom although I do remember that not all dragoon-s could do this
http://sta.sh/012n63mx9iwe
http://sta.sh/01nf0tt6kt8m
http://sta.sh/0nlsvopirgo
also
are these illegal mods, the ball bearings fit in the draciel perfectly and can be removed easily by unscrewing the base so 6 ball bearings in total, and also the dragoon tip is fitted on the outside, it fits nice into the bottom although I do remember that not all dragoon-s could do this
http://sta.sh/012n63mx9iwe
http://sta.sh/01nf0tt6kt8m
http://sta.sh/0nlsvopirgo
Both of them were shown in the Spin Up Guide Book Vol 1, however that was at a much earlier stage, so that's generally considered irrelevant to the rules. That's actually the original way to put two extra balls in Metal Ball Base, but generally considered illegal.
As for Dragoon S, it's very, very uncommon for the tip to actually stay in that way, so it generally wouldn't be legal I'd think, but Kei would be the person to ask about it. Plastics legality rules are kinda touch and go at times tbh (eg Takara's official rules prohibited adding metal balls to beyblade, but 4-ball Metal Ball Base/SG Metal Ball have been staple parts of beyblade at least in the west since the first person managed to get four metal balls and at least one of the bases).
As for Dragoon S, it's very, very uncommon for the tip to actually stay in that way, so it generally wouldn't be legal I'd think, but Kei would be the person to ask about it. Plastics legality rules are kinda touch and go at times tbh (eg Takara's official rules prohibited adding metal balls to beyblade, but 4-ball Metal Ball Base/SG Metal Ball have been staple parts of beyblade at least in the west since the first person managed to get four metal balls and at least one of the bases).
Now look at this...
http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag63...1daa16.jpg
http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag63...564a41.jpg
Could anybody please ban that guy?!
http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag63...1daa16.jpg
http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag63...564a41.jpg
Could anybody please ban that guy?!
Obviously his first posts are SPAM and are insulting towards you, so that is reason to warn him, but since this is a special situation where you two are in an eBay pursuit and that two World Beyblade Organization Members are involved in it as well, from this topic, I think it would help make us all seem chance-giving, fair and reasonable if he was not banned and was allowed to explain himself.
As I told you in a private message, even if he is banned, he could still log out and take screenshots of your posts, because these forums are public.
That being said, of course if he comes and insults you again or keeps harassing you, he will be banned, like any other Member that would do those actions.
As I told you in a private message, even if he is banned, he could still log out and take screenshots of your posts, because these forums are public.
That being said, of course if he comes and insults you again or keeps harassing you, he will be banned, like any other Member that would do those actions.
thanks again for the fast reply!, interesting to know that they may originally have intended to allow these modifications. the dragoon reverse tip mod was definitely a fun mod when I was younger, it has immense speed and power and it really adds to upper attack, it made the dragoon s seem like a different bey almost like a kaioken lool (but hard to control at times like grip attacker, i don't know what has more power though i'd say the mod), I tried searching for the spin up guide book but i couldn't find any images of it, you don't happen to have do you it would be really cool to see it.
(Jan. 30, 2014 4:26 PM)th!nk Wrote: Both of them were shown in the Spin Up Guide Book Vol 1, however that was at a much earlier stage, so that's generally considered irrelevant to the rules. That's actually the original way to put two extra balls in Metal Ball Base, but generally considered illegal.
As for Dragoon S, it's very, very uncommon for the tip to actually stay in that way, so it generally wouldn't be legal I'd think, but Kei would be the person to ask about it. Plastics legality rules are kinda touch and go at times tbh (eg Takara's official rules prohibited adding metal balls to beyblade, but 4-ball Metal Ball Base/SG Metal Ball have been staple parts of beyblade at least in the west since the first person managed to get four metal balls and at least one of the bases).
I actually scanned the first book in full, I believe, but I'm not sure if I posted it - I was talking to Kai-V about how we could put it up etc. If you shoot me a PM to remind me tomorrow (as I'm really busy today), I'll look into it.
Hmm in Attack BB which is better from Good>Bad?
(Feb. 04, 2014 1:53 AM)Stars Wrote: Hmm in Attack BB which is better from Good>Bad?
I'm not 100% positive on the hierarchy but from what I remember when I asked a similar question It goes something like:
Grip Base (Grip Attacker)/SG Grip Change Base (Uriel 2)
Defense Grip Base (Attack Mode, Seaborg)/Customize Grip Base (Dragoon V2)
SG Metal Flat 2 (Gaia Dragoon V)
Storm Grip (Dragoon S)/ SG Grip Base (Uriel)
Pretty sure those are the only notable ones even though FWIW Storm Grip is overrated. There's the standard Flat, Fantom Grip (Dragoon F) and (Customize) Metal Change (Diger S/V2), but the ones above are better.
SG Grip Change Base Tip slightly better than Defense Grip Base Attack Mode (similar speed, SG GCB Tip has better recoil control) > Grip Base > CGB > SG Metal Flat Base (GDV Vers) >>> Fixed Relatively Worn Wolborg 2 Shaft/Driger F Shaft Fixed in Place > MINT Storm Grip Base with a hard launch > SG Grip Base (not sure on this, haven't used a mint one so it might be just below CGB) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Used or Slow Storm Grip Base >>>>> Fantom Grip Base>Metal Change Base/Right EG Metal Flat (GDG)>>>>>>>>Everything else.
That's just the tips though for the ones that can be interchanged.
That's just the tips though for the ones that can be interchanged.