[Plastics] :: Q&A Thread

(May. 29, 2020  12:17 AM)tubitr Wrote:
(May. 15, 2020  12:43 AM)Kit Fisto Wrote: Whats a "zombie" beyblade?  I am dumb.

It's a Beyblade that relies on spin stealing/spin equalisation to out spin opponents.

No, Zombies and Spin Stealers are separate things. Zombies primarily utilize and were given their name from their High LAD and use spin equalization to boost their effectiveness.
So Zombies are closer to the Opposite spin stamina types of Burst Standard than anything else.
(Jun. 01, 2020  1:42 AM)RacingCheetahz Wrote:
(May. 29, 2020  12:17 AM)tubitr Wrote: It's a Beyblade that relies on spin stealing/spin equalisation to out spin opponents.

No, Zombies and Spin Stealers are separate things. Zombies primarily utilize and were given their name from their High LAD and use spin equalization to boost their effectiveness.
So Zombies are closer to the Opposite spin stamina types of Burst Standard than anything else.

The page https://beyblade.fandom.com/wiki/Zombie starts with the sentence "A Zombie customization is a Beyblade combo that is designed to steal spin from the opponent and have the "Life After Death" ability" tho. 

 
I know that "spin stealing" isn't exactly the right way way to phrase what happens between opposite spin beys but it's easier to understand than "LAD" and "spin equalisation"
Can anyone tell me the type of stadium that was used for plastic gen tournaments? Or if there was multiple and which one was used the most. Would be much appreciated. Thanks!
Hi, was wondering if this price guide on the page for new in box/packaging beyblades even applicable anymore? https://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Beyblad...#pid959669

Only got back into collecting about 2 months ago and I see the supply of a lot of things has dried up. I think prices are just whatever you can find them for, I used this initially but found these prices are quite unrealistic now. Granted it was written up in 2012 but people still somehow expect these prices going by the recent chatter on here particularly posts within 2-3 years ago from now.
(Jul. 17, 2020  6:50 AM)BAM_33 Wrote: Can anyone tell me the type of stadium that was used for plastic gen tournaments? Or if there was multiple and which one was used the most. Would be much appreciated. Thanks!

So like a year on...

Tornado Attack/SonoKong Triple Battle Type Stadium (they're identical) are the absolute best. They provide the most consistent results due to a slightly shallower dish preventing too many random vertical hits and have the best tornado ridge, nice and defined which gives attack types the ability to be launched at higher speeds without stuff koing or unnecessary banking. This plus the area after the ridge can also save defense as well which balances this somewhat, and this is again offset by well sized exits reducing wall saves. Overall it reduces randomness and encourages more aggressive play, and is IMO the best stadium Takara ever designed. It's a shame that they are very hard to find now and fragile due to the thin plastic (at least the sonokong one, dunno about the Takara one), and frankly it would be worth finding a way to privately reproduce them if legal. One of my greatest hopes is that there is just some warehouse somewhere full of them.

BB-10 (Attack Type Beystadium, MFB) would be second choice for me, being similar to TA in dimensions but with a deeper dish and shallower TR, this makes it less consistent but it is overall fine. It used to be popular due to availability. The clear one is also quite durable. Blue one with Pegasis logo is thinner I believe and let's say it doesn't like UV exposure. 

I haven't used the following

Tornado Balance: my understanding is that the exits are smaller than TA, which really isn't ideal for plastics as wall saves really hurt the more explosive, burn bright/burn out style of a lot of the bigger plastics attack combos and would really bias things towards Circle Survivor which is already something of an issue

Burst Standard Stadium: haven't used it but bouncing back in from the pockets being legal is disgusting in plastics and penalises the stronger attack types. If the rebound rule isn't changed then frankly, it should be banned.

Super Control Beystadium: never used it and apparently it's close to bb10 but looks a little goofy. Would love to try one and see how it goes with the aggressive design of plastics, doubt I will get to do so however. 

Hasbro Pro Series Stadium: Truly, utterly awful. Attack types just get KOd by compacts bouncing out of pockets because the pockets are all across from each other. Things fly out of pockets way too easily. Again, rule change or ban it IMO. It isn't historically representative of plastics.
If I don't have tornado attack or a bb10, (which is the case), would I be allowed to submit tests using the burst standard stadium? I want to contribute to the knowledge pool, but I don't want to do testing in a stadium that would skew the results. I can count wall rebounds as KOs if that helps.
(May. 04, 2021  1:22 AM)Flame~Capricorn Wrote: If I don't have tornado attack or a bb10, (which is the case), would I be allowed to submit tests using the burst standard stadium? I want to contribute to the knowledge pool, but I don't want to do testing in a stadium that would skew the results. I can count wall rebounds as KOs if that helps.

Great question. Truthfully I don't like the Burst stadiums for Plastics as the sizing and proportions are all off, from the bowl itself to the walls/cage (it is a different series after all). With that said, if you find interesting things when testing in that stadium, it can't hurt to have someone confirm who has either a BB-10 or Tornado Attack, as you may very well be onto something even in those stadiums. I would hesitate to say those results on their own should be considered to be as legitimate as testing in a Tornado Attack, but definitely supplemental. 
Even BB-10 I was on the fence about for a long time, but it is much more common to find, and it isn't terribly dissimilar to a Tornado Attack, so that too is good supplementary evidence pointing toward whatever conclusion you may have made during testing. I've grown used to it, and consider it about as legit as it can get outside of a Tornado Attack stadium. You might want to consider picking one up second hand from YJA or something. Th!nk may have more to add on this though, but I can't say he wouldn't mind more people being interested in plastics and learning about them, stadiums aside.
(May. 04, 2021  5:11 AM)Dan Wrote:
(May. 04, 2021  1:22 AM)Flame~Capricorn Wrote: If I don't have tornado attack or a bb10, (which is the case), would I be allowed to submit tests using the burst standard stadium? I want to contribute to the knowledge pool, but I don't want to do testing in a stadium that would skew the results. I can count wall rebounds as KOs if that helps.

Great question. Truthfully I don't like the Burst stadiums for Plastics as the sizing and proportions are all off, from the bowl itself to the walls/cage (it is a different series after all). With that said, if you find interesting things when testing in that stadium, it can't hurt to have someone confirm who has either a BB-10 or Tornado Attack, as you may very well be onto something even in those stadiums. I would hesitate to say those results on their own should be considered to be as legitimate as testing in a Tornado Attack, but definitely supplemental. 
Even BB-10 I was on the fence about for a long time, but it is much more common to find, and it isn't terribly dissimilar to a Tornado Attack, so that too is good supplementary evidence pointing toward whatever conclusion you may have made during testing. I've grown used to it, and consider it about as legit as it can get outside of a Tornado Attack stadium. You might want to consider picking one up second hand from YJA or something. Th!nk may have more to add on this though, but I can't say he wouldn't mind more people being interested in plastics and learning about them, stadiums aside.

I'll keep looking for a bb10. I almost got my hands on one, but the seller's warehouse literally caught on fire. Luckily I was able to get a refund, but I haven't had much luck since.

Sorry to double post, but I just ordered a nib uriel 2. What parts do I need to use the tip without the base?
Dan nailed it with stadiums. If you count pocket hits as Kos, burst standard could be acceptable enough for comparisons but I don't own one - despite his humility, Dan knows more about that than I do. If you follow the rule book and consider things still in play after pocketing and bouncing back, then your testing is valid, but only for that stadium. Wish Pockets would catch on fire rather than stadiums. Sorry to hear that.

Congrats - welcome to the true baller club, you only need Wolborg 2! It wears down pretty fast though, keep in mind.
(May. 04, 2021  6:39 PM)th!nk Wrote: Dan nailed it with stadiums. If you count pocket hits as Kos, burst standard could be acceptable enough for comparisons but I don't own one - despite his humility, Dan knows more about that than I do. If you follow the rule book and consider things still in play after pocketing and bouncing back, then your testing is valid, but only for that stadium. Wish Pockets would catch on fire rather than stadiums. Sorry to hear that.

Congrats - welcome to the true baller club, you only need Wolborg 2! It wears down pretty fast though, keep in mind.

Alright, looks like I'm set to use it then. I'll probably need to get another so I can test bearing base 2 against it, though. As for stadiums, I just managed to snag a used tornado attack, so I'll be able to do some good testing soon. Still need to get a wide survivor wd though.
(May. 04, 2021  7:49 PM)Flame~Capricorn Wrote:
(May. 04, 2021  6:39 PM)th!nk Wrote: Dan nailed it with stadiums. If you count pocket hits as Kos, burst standard could be acceptable enough for comparisons but I don't own one - despite his humility, Dan knows more about that than I do. If you follow the rule book and consider things still in play after pocketing and bouncing back, then your testing is valid, but only for that stadium. Wish Pockets would catch on fire rather than stadiums. Sorry to hear that.

Congrats - welcome to the true baller club, you only need Wolborg 2! It wears down pretty fast though, keep in mind.

Alright, looks like I'm set to use it then. I'll probably need to get another so I can test bearing base 2 against it, though. As for stadiums, I just managed to snag a used tornado attack, so I'll be able to do some good testing soon. Still need to get a wide survivor wd though.

Wait you actually managed to get a TA? I've been looking for one more just in case for ages, I haven't seen them pop up at all! Lucky!
(May. 05, 2021  1:58 AM)th!nk Wrote:
(May. 04, 2021  7:49 PM)Flame~Capricorn Wrote: Alright, looks like I'm set to use it then. I'll probably need to get another so I can test bearing base 2 against it, though. As for stadiums, I just managed to snag a used tornado attack, so I'll be able to do some good testing soon. Still need to get a wide survivor wd though.

Wait you actually managed to get a TA? I've been looking for one more just in case for ages, I haven't seen them pop up at all! Lucky!

Ebay seller I frequently bought plastics from happened to have one.
(May. 05, 2021  9:50 PM)Flame~Capricorn Wrote:
(May. 05, 2021  1:58 AM)th!nk Wrote: Wait you actually managed to get a TA? I've been looking for one more just in case for ages, I haven't seen them pop up at all! Lucky!

Ebay seller I frequently bought plastics from happened to have one.

Lucky man! Heads up though, I would suggest reinforcing the corners with a couple layers of heavy tape, it's technically not legal but if you don't, they will break, and it honestly makes 0 difference in testing