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NIB Wholesale Beyblade Quality Theory

Feb. 02, 2020  8:51 PM
 
Earlier today a discussion in the world Beyblade discord caught my eye. People were asking about wholesale Beyblade sellers such as “beybladewholesaler,” “toysgotw,” and “funtoysworld.” Everything I have bought from them has had at least one thing wrong with them in terms of quality and performance. I talked with WBO members and they all had similar experiences. For instance, every Storm Pegasus purchased from one of these sellers has come with a completely flat rubber flat tip and has no dimple like every other rubber flat. The storm wheel also has a slightly different mold then other storm wheels. The 2012 WBBA version of Wing Pegasus from these sellers came with a rubber ball that seems to be smushed in along with the rubber actually being hard red plastic. A friend of mine recently got four 4D beys in from one of these sellers and each one had horrendous quality. While packaged normally the beys came with tons of excess plastic and crooked parts. He even said some of them didn’t screw together well at all. 

WBO member Shindog told me about how he contacted beybladewholesaler to ask if there was a way to buy in bulk for an actual wholesale price and they responded saying they only sell pallets of beyblades. This really sparked confusion as It’s hard to believe that there is still so much back stock left from a toy that was manufactured 10 years ago. That also always intrigued me as I wondered how there seems to be a never ending supply of nib Takara Tomy metal fight beyblades on the market. Shindog has a theory that there may be a factory producing beyblades with Takara Tomy molds and branding themselves as Takara Tomy product because like me he thinks that It’s very odd that there’s still so much stock left especially with most of them having defects. Again, this is strictly a theory and I’m just making observations as everything I’ve bought used or from japan has had superb quality. 

With this being said I don’t make threads much so I don’t know if I posted this in the right place or if this deserved a thread. (DC EDIT: Nah, this is the right spot, you're good.)

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8/16/2021 Update: One of my friends went to a lab to get his midfake flash sagittario tested here are the results
https://imgur.com/VPSap7J
Feb. 03, 2020  2:41 AM
 
I can verify that the WBBA Wing Pegasis I got from beybladewholesaler has the same sub-par RB. My Storm Pegasis from BeysAndBricks has the divot-less RF as well.
Feb. 03, 2020  3:42 AM
 
(Feb. 02, 2020  8:51 PM)ItsSwift Wrote: [Reply trimmed, seriously lilphilyb you gotta shrink the text you're responding to if it's too big, if it's too much trouble because you're on a phone, don't hit reply! -DC]
It looks like you got a fake Storm Pegasus. The metal wheel is too shiny.
Feb. 03, 2020  3:49 AM
 
(Feb. 03, 2020  3:42 AM)lilphilyb Wrote:
(Feb. 02, 2020  8:51 PM)ItsSwift Wrote: [Reply trimmed, seriously lilphilyb you gotta shrink the text you're responding to if it's too big, if it's too much trouble because you're on a phone, don't hit reply! -DC]

It looks like you got a fake Storm Pegasus. The metal wheel is too shiny.

Did you not read anything about what I posted? This “fake” storm Pegasus came from a seller that only sells “real” Beyblades. Please read next time.
Feb. 03, 2020  4:20 AM
 
Here is a comprehensive report that I wrote regarding this topic. Please take it into consideration. I received much help from friends in the community, thank you Swift and Gremder.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1amKo...sp=sharing
Feb. 03, 2020  11:23 AM
 
That is indeed all very interesting. I would have never thought before, that there could be a factory still producing TT MFB Beys in secret and possibly without TT knowing about it. That would be a Beyblade Conspiracy. Also, the Wing Pegasis S130RB that I got from toysgotw also has a pushed in RB. This is all very mysterious.
Feb. 04, 2020  3:41 AM
 
Although my friends Swift and Polowogs already mentioned lots of valuable information, I would still like to tell my personal story with this.

I was browsing Ebay for new Takara Tomy Beyblades my collection was still missing. I assume like many others before, I came across the seller toysgotw and was amazed to see that so many (presumably) out of production Beys are still available at those kind of prices. Even very limited pieces were still available with seemingly endless stock. I was too happy about my purchase of 9 4D Beys to worry about it though.
The notification that my items were shipped arrived a few days later, not including a tracking number. I went on with ordering lots of other Beyblade related items and knew that it could take quite a while for a package to arrive from Taiwan. Then, 27 days after the items from toysgotw were ordered, I received a notificaion that a tracking number for the package was added. I didn't think much of it either and assumed they just forgot to add it before.
Another 2 weeks later, I finally received my package, along with another one I ordered from them at about the same time I received the tracking number. I messaged them and was told that the post office has had longer handling times during the holidays. The sticker on the box that has the date of the day before the tracking number on it tells another story: they just didn't give it give it to the postal service until that day.
Still, through the long waiting time and the fact that I had most likely been lied to, I was happy to finally have my Beys and opened the package. I, someone who got his last new Takara Tomy Bey about 6 years before, immediately noticed that all boxes had lower quality than I was used to. The printings had dull colours and worse resolution than usual, being especially apparent at the back, where the parts are rated with, in this case, blurry stars. The two halfes of the carton didn't align very well either for some boxes and one even had a bit of unprinted cardboard bit left in the whole at the top.

(Pictures are at the bottom)
I started unboxing the first one, it was labelled as an authentic Sono Kong Beat Lynx and nothing made me question that at first. Until I screwed it together and noticed that the spin track wasn't aligning to the Metal Wheel properly. So I took it apart again and noticed that there was a small plastic nose on top of the spin track, that prevented it from aligning. I was a bit bummed out by that, since I expected good quality from Sono Kong and now had to sew this little plastic piece off. It worked and I assembled it again, wanted to apply the stickers and then noticed that the stickers for the Clear Wheel lacked the cutouts for one of the little tooth-like protrusions each. It also didn't do too well in the stamina test with only 2:36 minutes.
The next Bey I unboxed was Fang Leone and the only problem I found with it was that the stickers were tinted greenish instead of tan like usual. It did 3:47 in the stamina test and that seems fairly standard to me.
Up next was Scythe Kronos and that's where the big problems started showing up. The facebolt had sharp edges all around lots of excess plastic, which almost made it look like a Rapidity facebolt. So I filed it down and put the Bey together for the stamina test, where it became apparent that something else was wrong. It only did 2:37 minutes and I was stunned, since Kronos is supposed to be a stamina Bey.
Then, lastly, I unboxed Variares, which would be the worst of them all quality wise. The facebolt had the same edges and excess plastic as Kronos' face and even had a plastic leftover on the screw part, that prevented it from being screwed in all the way. I tried to remove it as best as I could, screwed it in and saw that the whole face wasn't sitting in the middle of the Bey, but shifted to the left slightly. Continuing with the tip, I did not even know which one I was looking at. The S tip wasn't really sharp and the F tip wasn't really flat, but rather rounded. There was also a tactile plastic seam running across the middle of all 3 tips and a plastic bit sticking out, which looks like it wanted to become the 4th tip. And the icing on the cake was that the S tip was crooked to one side, resulting in a 2:08 for both WB and S int the stamina test. While appliying the stickers I noticed that the 6 stickers that go on the outside were cut out in a way that the pattern they display isn't centered at all.

All of the quality issues I described affect the Beys appearance and performance and make them lose both their purposes of collector's items and competitive toys. Some issues are consistent between all Beys, such as the resolution of everything printed, like the boxes and the stickers. I have not yet unboxed the other 5 Beys, but am convinced that similar problems will appear, as it can't be deemed as a mere coincidence anymore, especially since many members of the community had similar problems with Beyblades they got from the possible affiliated wholsalers. It truly is bizarre that these sellers seem to posess unlimited stocks of long out of production and partialy strictly limited Beys, while offering them at such low prices. What's similarly bizarre is the consistency these production errors occurr with. Could Takara Tomy have changed every aspect of their production for the worse? You draw your own conlcusions.

I want to apologize for this super long article-like response, it got a bit out of hand. All stamina tests were done in a BB-46 Balance Type Beystadium and the Beys were launched with a Hasbro string launcher. The quality of the pictures isn't the best, since I originally just took them for me and didn't intend to share them. Thanks for reading!

All pictures can be found here:
Lynx sticker sheet https://ibb.co/wWRm8p3
Lynx assembled https://ibb.co/FhykWHZ
Leone sticker sheet https://ibb.co/S68xkKZ
Kronos sticker sheet https://ibb.co/QjfDyZD
Kronos assembled https://ibb.co/dPPYPg3
Variares sticker sheet https://ibb.co/kcmXt1G
Variares facebolt 1 https://ibb.co/gD3m0t2
Variares facebolt 2 https://ibb.co/sPHqf73
Variares facebolt 3 https://ibb.co/sH40KSg
DGrin 1 https://ibb.co/Cm00kZS
DGrin 2 https://ibb.co/D7WNQLM
DGrin 3 https://ibb.co/bbHfZ80
DGrin 4 https://ibb.co/d5xVyB8
Variares assembled https://ibb.co/M5RYRkb
Feb. 04, 2020  4:42 AM
 
Hello. This is a very interesting post and decent theories. Personally I don’t think Takara Tomy is manufacturing fake beys, but there are a lot of copy cat companies. It goes beyond just the beyblade world too.

Anyway you’ll always have to check with your vendor or source and ask where they are importing their beys from. Takara Tomy honestly does not make enough beys or products for the demand worldwide and I know that for a fact from speaking to representatives, hence the lack of B-09 and B-33 stadiums. So to believe their is a limitless amount of MFB is hard to grasp. Some companies use to sell legit beys but as demands rise and production falls they may look elsewhere to keep trying to satisfy their customer. So if you experience a lack in quality it may be because the vendor/retailer may be using a different source that may not be authentic. If you go to Takara Tomy’s website you can see some of their partners like Mani in Hong Kong, they’re are only a few legit sources outside of Japan. Hope this helps.
Feb. 04, 2020  6:42 AM
 
(Feb. 04, 2020  4:42 AM)StayCool Wrote: Hello. This is a very interesting post and decent theories. Personally I don’t think Takara Tomy is manufacturing fake beys, but there are a lot of copy cat companies. It goes beyond just the beyblade world too.

Anyway you’ll always have to check with your vendor or source and ask where they are importing their beys from. Takara Tomy honestly does not make enough beys or products for the demand worldwide and I know that for a fact from speaking to representatives, hence the lack of B-09 and B-33 stadiums. So to believe their is a limitless amount of MFB is hard to grasp. Some companies use to sell legit beys but as demands rise and production falls they may look elsewhere to keep trying to satisfy their customer. So if you experience a lack in quality it may be because the vendor/retailer may be using a different source that may not be authentic. If you go to Takara Tomy’s website you can see some of their partners like Mani in Hong Kong, they’re are only a few legit sources outside of Japan. Hope this helps.

You're missing the point. They are using this thread to say that several otherwise trustable eBay sellers are selling some fakes on top of authentic products. It's a definitive and well documented call for an investigation into these sellers for these fakes, which no seller should be selling with a claim of authenticity.

It's one thing to sell fakes and label that they are fakes, such as all those eBay sellers that actually say "Rapidity brand" and such. It's another thing entirely to sell fakes under the banner of a legitimate product like this, especially when some items are legitimate and others not.
Feb. 04, 2020  1:52 PM
 
Ok I understand, thanks
Feb. 04, 2020  2:05 PM
 
(Feb. 04, 2020  4:42 AM)StayCool Wrote: Hello. This is a very interesting post and decent theories. Personally I don’t think Takara Tomy is manufacturing fake beys, but there are a lot of copy cat companies. It goes beyond just the beyblade world too.

Anyway you’ll always have to check with your vendor or source and ask where they are importing their beys from. Takara Tomy honestly does not make enough beys or products for the demand worldwide and I know that for a fact from speaking to representatives, hence the lack of B-09 and B-33 stadiums. So to believe their is a limitless amount of MFB is hard to grasp. Some companies use to sell legit beys but as demands rise and production falls they may look elsewhere to keep trying to satisfy their customer. So if you experience a lack in quality it may be because the vendor/retailer may be using a different source that may not be authentic. If you go to Takara Tomy’s website you can see some of their partners like Mani in Hong Kong, they’re are only a few legit sources outside of Japan. Hope this helps.
Hey thanks for your response! What I’m mainly saying is that It’s not Takara Tomy manufacturing the fake beys, but possibly a factory using their molds and posing as Takara Tomy I’d that makes sense. MagikHorse explained it pretty well.
Feb. 04, 2020  4:53 PM
 
(Feb. 04, 2020  2:05 PM)ItsSwift Wrote:
(Feb. 04, 2020  4:42 AM)StayCool Wrote: Hello. This is a very interesting post and decent theories. Personally I don’t think Takara Tomy is manufacturing fake beys, but there are a lot of copy cat companies. It goes beyond just the beyblade world too.

Anyway you’ll always have to check with your vendor or source and ask where they are importing their beys from. Takara Tomy honestly does not make enough beys or products for the demand worldwide and I know that for a fact from speaking to representatives, hence the lack of B-09 and B-33 stadiums. So to believe their is a limitless amount of MFB is hard to grasp. Some companies use to sell legit beys but as demands rise and production falls they may look elsewhere to keep trying to satisfy their customer. So if you experience a lack in quality it may be because the vendor/retailer may be using a different source that may not be authentic. If you go to Takara Tomy’s website you can see some of their partners like Mani in Hong Kong, they’re are only a few legit sources outside of Japan. Hope this helps.
Hey thanks for your response! What I’m mainly saying is that It’s not Takara Tomy manufacturing the fake beys, but possibly a factory using their molds and posing as Takara Tomy I’d that makes sense. MagikHorse explained it pretty well.

Yes I understand that better now, i just know that this is very common in many instances. There are several 3rd parties that make counterfeit material, discolored packages and poor quality material like you said. I’ve personally had the same experiences myself. I’ve used trusted sites and companies and I’ve still received poor quality material that was advertised as authentic. That is mainly why I created my own business, it was frustrating to buy beyblades and products for my kids and then be disappointed or feel like I was lied to once it arrives at our door step. 

I agree that this needs to be looked into it’s disheartening when people advertise as “real” when it’s not. We should all get the quality that we expect and pay for.
Feb. 14, 2020  8:18 PM
 
A few days late to this, but let the record show that there are some Takara Tomy RFs that do not have the divot in the center. The only instances of this that I’ve seen have been for a translucent mid-blue RF with rubber that is red-orange in color, and I’m not exactly sure what release it’s from specifically, but I have seen it used multiple times in tournaments by players who are knowledgeable enough that they would not purchase fakes (I remember being told by someone in North Carolina that they used this particular RF because the lack of a divot meant it had better grip with the stadium), and I think OldSchool may have been selling them separately in the past.

It’s possible that these are just factory leftovers, it’s been the case before where the value of a rare, supposedly limited release completely tanks because factory leftovers are “released” several years later.

-Sent from my iPad
Feb. 14, 2020  8:24 PM
 
Conversely, not everything they sell is flawed. I bought a few parts from beybladewholesaler, new in box, and if they're fakes, they're some really excellent quality fakes. No fading, no unusual grooves or part changes, and nothing to really distinguish them from other NiB purchases from other sellers.

I really do wonder why the quality is so uneven on some of these. Perhaps fakes are being mixed in with a few real ones.
Feb. 15, 2020  3:22 AM
 
(Feb. 14, 2020  8:24 PM)DeceasedCrab Wrote: Conversely, not everything they sell is flawed. I bought a few parts from beybladewholesaler, new in box, and if they're fakes, they're some really excellent quality fakes. No fading, no unusual grooves or part changes, and nothing to really distinguish them from other NiB purchases from other sellers.

I really do wonder why the quality is so uneven on some of these. Perhaps fakes are being mixed in with a few real ones.
After having examined 9 different Beys from toysgotw, I have to say that the quality varies greatly indeed. Some are so high quality that it might be hard for most people to get the idea that they could be fake without any previous suspicions. The boxes still show the low quality printings and the stickers also have pretty weak adhesives, so that might be a way to spot them.
After closely inspecting my seemingly normal looking Kreis Cygnus and Diablo Nemesis, I spotted that some details were missing on their fusion wheels and they had slightly different molds than their confirmed Takara counterparts. The Beys were overall looking very convincing though, so again, it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of people just didn't notice the difference.
Feb. 16, 2020  6:10 AM
 
(Feb. 14, 2020  8:18 PM)Wombat Wrote: A few days late to this, but let the record show that there are some Takara Tomy RFs that do not have the divot in the center. The only instances of this that I’ve seen have been for a translucent mid-blue RF with rubber that is red-orange in color, and I’m not exactly sure what release it’s from specifically, but I have seen it used multiple times in tournaments by players who are knowledgeable enough that they would not purchase fakes (I remember being told by someone in North Carolina that they used this particular RF because the lack of a divot meant it had better grip with the stadium), and I think OldSchool may have been selling them separately in the past.

It’s possible that these are just factory leftovers, it’s been the case before where the value of a rare, supposedly limited release completely tanks because factory leftovers are “released” several years later.

-Sent from my iPad
I know of these rubber flats as well. I’ve also heard that very early releases of RF were divorless. None the less time and again wholesaler and others like him have proven to sell faulty items that have different moldings, bad performance, defective parts, and much more. I’m not saying they’re fake, It’s just hard for me to believe that there are so many beys with the exact same issues. 6-8 years ago this stuff was unheard of.
Mar. 26, 2020  7:09 PM
 
I also just received a bey from beybladewholesaler and the tip was supposed to be rubber but it was plastic on my galaxy pegasus
Apr. 26, 2020  10:55 AM
 
Have these beys been found to have Lead in them? This thread is unfortunate to read. But as long as the parts are safe I want to keep using them. Even if they don’t perform as well.

Can someone with real TT beys stamina test Beat Lynx, Kreis Cygnus, Flash Sagittario, and Fang Leone. These beys where my biggest disappointments and this thread seems to be showing why. Stickers don’t sit well, and some facebolts are badly molded. But not nearly as bad as in others pictures.

My molds seemed almost perfect, no jagged bits or anything. But weight distribution seems off, as beys like Beat Lynx starts making loud rumbling noises and getting wobbly at only 1:30 spinning. (Lowest spintrack mode, attack mode? The pointy bits are showing) My Pegasus also has a completely flag tip. But no metal wheel mold issues. Flash Sagittario bought from beysandbricks performs badly also, so I think it’s more widespread than people might think. This whole situation sucks really bad.
Apr. 27, 2020  9:34 AM
 
(Apr. 26, 2020  10:55 AM)SimpleBaked Wrote: Have these beys been found to have Lead in them? This thread is unfortunate to read. But as long as the parts are safe I want to keep using them. Even if they don’t perform as well.

Can someone with real TT beys stamina test Beat Lynx, Kreis Cygnus, Flash Sagittario, and Fang Leone. These beys where my biggest disappointments and this thread seems to be showing why. Stickers don’t sit well, and some facebolts are badly molded. But not nearly as bad as in others pictures.

My molds seemed almost perfect, no jagged bits or anything. But weight distribution seems off, as beys like Beat Lynx starts making loud rumbling noises and getting wobbly at only 1:30 spinning. (Lowest spintrack mode, attack mode? The pointy bits are showing) My Pegasus also has a completely flag tip. But no metal wheel mold issues. Flash Sagittario bought from beysandbricks performs badly also, so I think it’s more widespread than people might think. This whole situation sucks really bad.

Once I've got time for it, I will test them; my TT beys bought in 2013 are still near mint though so I'll use spare WD, W²D etc on them, for the matter of accurate testing and preservation of the the original parts.
Apr. 27, 2020  2:18 PM
 
You know that there ARE Chinese companies that remake unauthentic products and say they are authentic right? This is just what happens with many products. Everyone, check if your stuff is made in China or not.
Apr. 27, 2020  2:20 PM
 
(Apr. 27, 2020  2:18 PM)Orbit Wrote: You know that there ARE Chinese companies that remake unauthentic products and say they are authentic right? This is just what happens with many products. Everyone, check if your stuff is made in China or not.
That’s very common knowledge. Fake Beyblades have been around for a long while.
Apr. 27, 2020  2:21 PM
 
Look under the barcode, there is a number. If the first three numbers start with 690-695 it is made, or at least distributed, in China.
Apr. 27, 2020  2:22 PM
 
(Apr. 27, 2020  2:21 PM)Orbit Wrote: Look under the barcode, there is a number. If the first three numbers start with 690-695 it is made, or at least distributed, in China.

Or you could just look at the top right corner of the box and check the logo.
Apr. 27, 2020  2:24 PM
 
I don’t really care if those beyblades are fake, I more care about what they’re made of. I’d hate for them to be selling Led beyblades to children, like rapidity does. But at least Rapidity says Rapidity on the cover, not TT!
But these Chinese companies claim to be TT at times
May. 02, 2020  4:46 AM
 
Can someone provide a good picture of the back of a confirmed real left string launcher? I think this problem goes back further than people think. I’ve noticed that the right launchers I have have different back molding than the real ones. Everything is otherwise identical besides missing indents around the copyright and “made in location”.

Box art being washed out doesn’t seem to be a consistent thing either. My Phantom Orion from BeysandBricks has an identical box to my Big Bang Pegasus, but had the same light launcher differences as my other suspect launchers.
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