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Sep. 29, 2011  10:09 PM
 
(Sep. 29, 2011  9:38 PM)Arupaeo Wrote: HMS/Plastics are different sports apart from MFB in the same way that stock car racing is a different sport apart from Indy car racing. Yes they are all superficially the same class of things (beyblades or cars) and they all generally do the same thing (spin around in a stadium or race around a track), but they do them in different competitions and should not use the same system for points.

Yes, Mario Andretti did win a NASCAR race, but it didn't count towards his Indy cup points, and winning Formula One races should never (and don't) count toward him having a chance to hoist the Winston Cup...

In other words, I don't think HMS or Plastics should have points commingled into the current MFB beypoint system. If there is enough demand for points associated with HMS or Plastics, then they should get their own (respective) points system.

Must agree with you, as a matter of fact, some people can suck at MFB and be good at using plastics, using the MFB ranking system with plastics and HMS wont work. A seperate system however would be good.
Sep. 29, 2011  10:12 PM
 
(Sep. 29, 2011  9:38 PM)Arupaeo Wrote: HMS/Plastics are different sports apart from MFB in the same way that stock car racing is a different sport apart from Indy car racing. Yes they are all superficially the same class of things (beyblades or cars) and they all generally do the same thing (spin around in a stadium or race around a track), but they do them in different competitions and should not use the same system for points.

Yes, Mario Andretti did win a NASCAR race, but it didn't count towards his Indy cup points, and winning Formula One races should never (and don't) count toward him having a chance to hoist the Winston Cup...

In other words, I don't think HMS or Plastics should have points commingled into the current MFB beypoint system. If there is enough demand for points associated with HMS or Plastics, then they should get their own (respective) points system.

I'm just going to post that I strongly agree with this, but have little to add for the time being, as you've nailed it.

I guess: Use my two tourneys as an example, the winner of the plastics tourney came dead last in the MFB tourney.

Honestly, I'd rather have plastic battles unranked than have combined rankings, because they are entirely different, entirely different techniques must be employed, and knowledge/ability of/with one does not imply the same for the other.

As for splitting Plastics and HMS, I think the same reasoning goes for splitting them, but three different ranking systems would be quite a pain. I'll leave that for others to discuss.
Sep. 29, 2011  10:41 PM
 
Seriously, from looking at the results that were posted in this topic, they are generally the same as in tournaments with the Standard Format though. The people in the top three barely differ to those that would appear in some regular tournaments too, except just a few exceptions, and that is to expect.
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-HMS-Plas...elease-4-0

It is normal if someone knows more about plastics that they end up failing in Metal Fight Beyblade. But the parts are generally similar, the concepts should still be familiar in majority.
Sep. 29, 2011  10:42 PM
 
So are the two types of car racing in Arupaeo's example. They are not ranked together for a reason, however. Try to understand where we are coming from with this, and not make assertions such as "The people in the top three barely differ to those that would appear in some regular tournaments too, except just a few exceptions, and that is to expect."

The top three is not what I am talking about, they are obviously quite unique people. Deikailo has attested she plays plastics differently due to the difference in design, in the plastics remembrance day thread. I play plastics differently, even, and I had to learn a lot about plastics before being equally competent (which I probably wasn't for plastics remembrance day). A lot of people are beginning to prefer one over the other, as well. I know you don't see the point in exclusively supporting a "dead" line, but apparently a number of people do.

And think, if we don't use plastics stadiums for MFB, as they are intended to be "separate", then the same reason stands that we can't rank them together, whatever that reasoning may be.
Sep. 29, 2011  11:11 PM
 
We might legalise some Tornado stadiums in the future. poseidon has been trying to show us that results are basically similar, and we do recognise that they are better than the Attack Type BeyStadium.

I certainly support the supporters of this "dead series" anyway.
Sep. 29, 2011  11:24 PM
 
Has anyone made videos yet ? a page has been wasted on talk about plastics and HMS only
Sep. 29, 2011  11:27 PM
 
(Sep. 29, 2011  11:24 PM)powerangeryan Wrote: Has anyone made videos yet ? a page has been wasted on talk about plastics and HMS only

Videos of what ? That discussion on plastics and HMS is totally productive.
Sep. 29, 2011  11:35 PM
 
Ahh, I recall you calling said belief "pointless", but I am glad that that is not your belief Smile

As for tornado stadiums, I'm yet to try MFB in mine (haven't touched them for months), but I certainly support that idea, as you may have guessed.

However, I still stand by them being very different systems. Tbh if I was focused on beyrank, I'd only play mfb, as plastics relies much more on chance. The differences in gameplay require different ranking systems, though the plastics system would be smaller, it would also be fairer on us "plastics only" bladers, as we have fewer opportunities to face others in ranked matches, and a smaller selection of opponents, it becomes harder to accrue a high beyrank (this is alongside the more luck-based gameplay). I'm not going to be silly and protest "equal rights" etc, but a separate system would be nice.

Honestly I don't think it's worth creating new faces for, though, it'd be cool if people who had been/are number one on either system had a special face, unique for each ladder, but that is a suggestion for another day.
Sep. 29, 2011  11:38 PM
 
(Sep. 29, 2011  11:27 PM)Kai-V Wrote:
(Sep. 29, 2011  11:24 PM)powerangeryan Wrote: Has anyone made videos yet ? a page has been wasted on talk about plastics and HMS only

Videos of what ? That discussion on plastics and HMS is totally productive.

Bey Brad and Kei were saying that videos were the top-priority on the first page . But it's been 3years and nothing. I could try to make videos for Beywiki but I just don't have a stand for my iPhone.
Sep. 29, 2011  11:48 PM
 
(Sep. 29, 2011  11:38 PM)powerangeryan Wrote: Bey Brad and Kei were saying that videos were the top-priority on the first page . But it's been 3years and nothing. I could try to make videos for Beywiki but I just don't have a stand for my iPhone.

On the bar at the top of the screen, press the fourth button labeled "BeyChannel".
Sep. 29, 2011  11:55 PM
 
That was three years ago, the discussion has come a long way since then, the current topic being the original, plastic beyblades, and how to rank them.

I also consider peoples ignorance towards plastics somewhat of a reason to give them their own rankings, or at least an example of their separation.

Ranking plastics and mfb together to me seems like ranking beyblades and battle strikers together, they really are that different to each other.
Sep. 30, 2011  1:52 AM
 
I had a great idea! What about an auto update? You know, so you don't have to refresh every time you wanted to see new posts. I'm not sure how it would work but it would be nice to have.
Sep. 30, 2011  1:53 AM
 
That would be amazing, but probably cause lag for some computers.
Sep. 30, 2011  1:58 AM
 
(Sep. 30, 2011  1:53 AM)NoodooSoup Wrote: That would be amazing, but probably cause lag for some computers.

A script that forces a refresh wouldn't really cause "lag", but it would cause most browsers idling on the page to have steadily climbing memory usage, depending on the browser.

I just think it'd be annoying. Hitting the refresh button on your browser is no chore.
Sep. 30, 2011  2:05 AM
 
Yeah, I'm not for that idea (But it wouldn't harm me, so when you put it that way It doesn't matter to me).

It's just pointless IMO. This is a forum, not Facebook or MSN or whatever.
Sep. 30, 2011  3:05 AM
 
(Sep. 29, 2011  11:35 PM)th!nk Wrote: though the plastics system would be smaller, it would also be fairer on us "plastics only" bladers, as we have fewer opportunities to face others in ranked matches, and a smaller selection of opponents, it becomes harder to accrue a high beyrank (this is alongside the more luck-based gameplay).

You could say exactly the same words for regions in the world who cannot hold a lot of tournaments. Yo, even Montréal could replace "plastics" in this message.

People who win in plastics are luckier ?
Sep. 30, 2011  3:23 AM
 
If the limit on the frequency of plastics/hms tournaments is put in place, and my earlier post on participants having their own beys are considered. It's probably best to lower the requirement for the minimum participants needed to 6, or 5 people.
Sep. 30, 2011  12:29 PM
 
I was talking on a worldwide scale, there are less competitors in WA for plastics than our already limited MFB community, I image the same would go for Montreal.

Not how I would have put it, I generally don't believe in "luck", I would just say plastics is a bit less "set-in-stone".

Do keep in mind my other points, of course, and Arupaeo's excellent post.

I wouldn't limit the frequency of plastics tourneys, they are limited enough as-is by the lower interest. Lowering the participants needed might work, but I don't know if it's that necessary, I think with a bit more notice, a lot of places could get eight people, even if beys have to be borrowed.
Sep. 30, 2011  12:41 PM
 
Its more of the fact its slightly more "unpredictable "
Sep. 30, 2011  3:00 PM
 
The limit of eight people was established because for any number lower than that, it just becomes really weird to give Faces for first, second and third place when there are basically as many people not receiving them ...
Oct. 02, 2011  2:21 PM
 
My suggestion is to be able to rearrange your faces to how you see fits. I cureently don't have any faces but I don't think you can do that. Can you?
Oct. 02, 2011  4:04 PM
 
No, you cant do that.

But I think a Moderator can actually do that..
Oct. 02, 2011  5:37 PM
 
I think Advanced Members should be able to close/reopen their own threads. It saves some time for the mods that have to close a thread every time someone wants theirs closed. It doesn't hurt anyone; it's not like they can close other people's threads. But, if a mod/committee member closes it, it can't be reopened by them.The reason I say Advanced Members is that if everyone was allowed to use it, it'd probably be abused by people who are new and don't know how things work.
Oct. 02, 2011  6:02 PM
 
(Oct. 02, 2011  5:37 PM)NoodooSoup Wrote: I think Advanced Members should be able to close/reopen their own threads. It saves some time for the mods that have to close a thread every time someone wants theirs closed. It doesn't hurt anyone; it's not like they can close other people's threads. But, if a mod/committee member closes it, it can't be reopened by them.The reason I say Advanced Members is that if everyone was allowed to use it, it'd probably be abused by people who are new and don't know how things work.

No. I do not support that. The word 'moderator' itself means to keep things in track. Their role is to ensure the proper functioning of the site. This means they have powers to warn/delete posts, open/close threads. Hence, if Advanced Members are given such powers, the position of Moderators on this site would be just equal to Advanced Members. Hence, there would be no difference between Advanced Members and Moderators. I hope you get my point. Smile
Instead, it would be easier to make a few Advanced Members the Moderators of the site. But, it was said that the site is not accepting any more Committee Members. Smile
Oct. 02, 2011  6:17 PM
 
Well actually, if that idea went through, there would still be significant differences between Adv. Members and Moderators. The idea was to allow them to close their own threads, not the threads of others.
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